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 Alex C wrote:

 RedFox wrote:
Love the chaplain sculpt but there is no way i use him as a word bearer...gotta look more chaosy or have a hint of chaos in there...he would make a better ultramarine character actually

I prefer the "just turned" look to Traitor Marines. Veteran warriors in archaic armor wielding ancient weapons is what I like to picture CSM as in 40k, rather than the "covered in spikes and mutations" look.

I just find them more menacing when the corruption is more subtly conveyed.

I agree 100% that's why i said a hint of chaos...but i still think even with slight conversions he would look out of place with my gal vorbak

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Replace his head with something from a chaos kit, you'd be able to get a slightly chaos look pretty easy.

Come to think of it, given that most of the MK4 that was issued prior to and at the beginning of the HH went to Horus' allies, you'd think you'd see more MK4 in chaos armies, even if in a corrupted form.

 Formosa wrote:
Well... I've been told unequivocally that this is a limited run, hoping it's not true.

That would be sad, but not surprising in most cases.

However, wasn't this supposed to launch a line of product?

 Formosa wrote:
Well... I've been told unequivocally that this is a limited run, hoping it's not true.

A few people that had all posted all the info on this before we even have pictures have said it won't be limited and will be replacing the hobbit. I'm hoping that's true.

shade1313 wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Replace his head with something from a chaos kit, you'd be able to get a slightly chaos look pretty easy.

Come to think of it, given that most of the MK4 that was issued prior to and at the beginning of the HH went to Horus' allies, you'd think you'd see more MK4 in chaos armies, even if in a corrupted form.

True but legions like the death guard and the iron warriors prefered the bulkier and sturdier mkii and mkiii armours

When i think of chaos legion and mkiv i think of the SoH, EC, word bearers and alpha legions

 RedFox wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Replace his head with something from a chaos kit, you'd be able to get a slightly chaos look pretty easy.

Come to think of it, given that most of the MK4 that was issued prior to and at the beginning of the HH went to Horus' allies, you'd think you'd see more MK4 in chaos armies, even if in a corrupted form.

True but legions like the death guard and the iron warriors prefered the bulkier and sturdier mkii and mkiii armours

When i think of chaos legion and mkiv i think of the SoH, EC, word bearers and alpha legions

A valid point. Still, I'd think they'd toss a helmet or two on a few of the chaos sprues. Heck, those Mk 2 and MK 3 helmets and armor ought to be relatively common with CSM who are "Veterans of the Long War", but there really isn't a lot of MK 2 or 3 in the various chaos kits, either.

 jah-joshua wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I will make them all of my chapter! maybe only coloring the bases different to use in the game

Hello Kitty Heresy???
i'll do Kerokerokeroppi

Paypal is primed and ready for pre-order...
let's do this thing!!!

cheers
jah

Alas Hello Kitty space marines are truly Chaos (although don't tell them that)
I have 3 other space marine chapters, Siddhartha's Sons, Doom Bringers and Doom Bringers.

Wish the price would leak already!

I'll take two.

shade1313 wrote:

 RedFox wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Replace his head with something from a chaos kit, you'd be able to get a slightly chaos look pretty easy.

Come to think of it, given that most of the MK4 that was issued prior to and at the beginning of the HH went to Horus' allies, you'd think you'd see more MK4 in chaos armies, even if in a corrupted form.

True but legions like the death guard and the iron warriors prefered the bulkier and sturdier mkii and mkiii armours

When i think of chaos legion and mkiv i think of the SoH, EC, word bearers and alpha legions

A valid point. Still, I'd think they'd toss a helmet or two on a few of the chaos sprues. Heck, those Mk 2 and MK 3 helmets and armor ought to be relatively common with CSM who are "Veterans of the Long War", but there really isn't a lot of MK 2 or 3 in the various chaos kits, either.

Now a days, GW sees chaos marines as more Renegades than former legionaries so I don't think its likely, but I woldnt say never. Back in 2nd edition there was concept art for a number of chaos marines that showed their armor to be a blend of different MK's and from what I can gather it was visually to represent the inconsistent "resupply" available to chaos marines. Fictionally Mk4 was phased out because of how relatively difficult is was to maintain without a steady stream of fresh replacement components which became scarcer as the war dragged on. I vaguely remember something along the lines that one reason Raven Guard ended up with production Mk6 was that Alpha Legion stole their resupply of Mk4 it was the next best thing the Forge World could provide in quantity... though Mk6 was already in wide experimental use by the Raven Guard as well.

There are a number of brief instances where the fluff mentions different legions pushing for different Mk's of armor, the pendulum of mobile survivability vs armored survivability.

The set of four classic Jes Goodwin chaos Marines sold as "Traitors of Chaos" were described in the concept art as being four specific armour marks;
The Nurgle Marine in mark 3, the Thousand Son in mark 4, the Khorne berserker in mark 5 and the Slaaneshi Marine in mark 6.

This is part of the concept art that was shown at a Forgeworld Open Day (2014?) - an HH Thousand Son Marine - via B&C




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Slaanesh Marines in 40k as depicted by Jes

Oh Jes, remember the days they let you design awesome stuff

Well, I will not play the board game. Prefer HH and WMH.
Not sure if the box set is the right for me. I already have 10 Cataphractii Termies and one Comtemptor doesn't make a summer. I better buy some keress cannons for my existing Dreads.

Jes... so much better than Blanche!

Only 38 models?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

Considering these are mostly multi-part models as opposed to snap fit, it ain't bad. Maybe not as good as Stormclaw and the like, but still not bad.

Also, anyone else notice how the Chaplain has a plasma pistol in his left hand, and that the tactical kit has a right-handed one? Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?

nudibranch wrote:

Also, anyone else notice how the Chaplain has a plasma pistol in his left hand, and that the tactical kit has a right-handed one? Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?

Nice idea. Moritat away! Just make sure you get a unit of Destroyers that he can lead...

I thought it was a grav pistol on the chaplain.

 kronk wrote:
I thought it was a grav pistol on the chaplain.

Nah, it's an old style Plasma Pistol.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

The recent Raven Guard (12 miniatures) and Tau (19) miniatures boxes cost some £150. The Calth set is a whole game as well so if it does come in at £95 or less it seems like a lot better deal, YMMV though.

I hope to hear some details of how the game plays soon.

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

Same here. It's the usual Dakka dichotomy at work. We get heaps of people complaining that GW release nothing but Marines and how boring that is but suddenly they release a slightly different sort of Marine, like Malibu Stacy's hat, and all of a sudden people are falling over themselves to pay for an overpriced box set, all the time justifying it by comparing the price to the hugely inflated FW prices and convincing themselves it is some sort of bargain.

I have to confess, I just don't understand it but each to his/her own I guess.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

Even without "but HERESY", comparing what's in the HH box with individually bought equivalents comes up with a pretty sizeable savings vs. regular GW prices.

I compared to 3x tactical marine squads, 1 of terminators, 1 dread, and two plastic monopose characters and came up with around $274 to buy the 40k equivalent of what comes in the HH box, versus the $150 cost of the HH box itself. So, by those equivalencies, the HH box is around 55% of what I'd expect to pay separately.

So, compared to regular GW prices, yeah, it's a VERY good deal.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

That £167.50 is for the plastic 40K marine equivalents. Buying the box contents from FW would cost you around £313.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

30K is a fun game with great models. This box set has significantly cheapened basic infantry for it. If you don't like 30k yeah all this excitement is kind of weird. But for people who do it's a really good deal.

What are some basic rule differences between 40k and 30k?

 Tagony wrote:
What are some basic rule differences between 40k and 30k?

None, they just use different Space Marine Codexes.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Tagony wrote:
What are some basic rule differences between 40k and 30k?

None, they just use different Space Marine Codexes.

Don't forget Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia.

Force Org chart is a little different.

LoW limited to 2000+ games, and can't be more than 25% of the army.