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 ekwatts wrote:



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Also: Extremely bored of the constant scale debate now.

That was too easy! LOL!

Well this set better be a lot cheaper than the typical £90 GW go for. Just 20 gangers and a bit of cardboard doesn't make it look like a great deal, Unless it's only £40 or something.

I feel like it's a bit of a mis-step as it doesn't look or feel like Necromunda so far.

The plastic gangers however look pretty good so far, will pick some of those up to use in the old game if nothing else.

 Oaka wrote:
Is this the first boxed game where one side is entirely female? As an adult I can now appreciate the quality of the models, but as a kid I wouldn't want to be the gang of girls. I always forced the other faction onto my little brother, but I think the years of being Orks and Luigi eventually led to him being disinterested in gaming.

I know Escher are popular, but as you said, don't think they were a good choice to put in the starter set. Male kids and teens are one of the most important GW market segment, and I don't think a lot of them would want to have a gang of females.

Not that I care myself, I think they look absolutely stunning

Well, I've not played Necromunda before and I've no nostalgic feelings towards it either as I was a wee nipper when the game was supported by GW.
For what it is, I really like the look of the ganger kits and the game thus far seems interesting enough.

Sign me up! The teaser video is a step up from GW too, really impressed with it! Enjoyed the voice acting, makes a nice change from the usual booming, monotonous space marine.

(Though the west country/Cornish Nurgle minion was also a recent highlight!)

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
Is this the first boxed game where one side is entirely female? As an adult I can now appreciate the quality of the models, but as a kid I wouldn't want to be the gang of girls. I always forced the other faction onto my little brother, but I think the years of being Orks and Luigi eventually led to him being disinterested in gaming.

I know Escher are popular, but as you said, don't think they were a good choice to put in the starter set. Male kids and teens are one of the most important GW market segment, and I don't think a lot of them would want to have a gang of females.

Really? Anecdotal, but when Necromunda was around the first time, Escher were the most popular gang at my gaming club - populated almost exclusively by mid-teen boys. We've moved on a bit, socially, in the last 20 years, too. I really don't think a significant proportion of GW's audience are going to react to the starter set with 'ewww, girls are yucky'.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
Is this the first boxed game where one side is entirely female? As an adult I can now appreciate the quality of the models, but as a kid I wouldn't want to be the gang of girls. I always forced the other faction onto my little brother, but I think the years of being Orks and Luigi eventually led to him being disinterested in gaming.

I know Escher are popular, but as you said, don't think they were a good choice to put in the starter set. Male kids and teens are one of the most important GW market segment, and I don't think a lot of them would want to have a gang of females.

Not that I care myself, I think they look absolutely stunning

That may have been relative a long while ago but is that even relevant anymore? (honest question)

I'd be more worried about people who remember how bad Goliath tended to do in Campaign due to the lack of actual useful skills

Oh only just watched the video....

DAT MUSIC AND VOICE OVER! *Head bangs with enough velocity to escape Earth."

Those Goliath heads and weapons are gonna make some killer Red Corsairs parts, mixed with those Immortan Joe masks, who doesn't want a pirate astartes lord smoking a big old cigar?! Might give him a minigun just cas!

Also interesting tentacle thingy, that was a rumour engine right?

 Desubot wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Oaka wrote:
Is this the first boxed game where one side is entirely female? As an adult I can now appreciate the quality of the models, but as a kid I wouldn't want to be the gang of girls. I always forced the other faction onto my little brother, but I think the years of being Orks and Luigi eventually led to him being disinterested in gaming.

I know Escher are popular, but as you said, don't think they were a good choice to put in the starter set. Male kids and teens are one of the most important GW market segment, and I don't think a lot of them would want to have a gang of females.

Not that I care myself, I think they look absolutely stunning

That may have been relative a long while ago but is that even relevant anymore? (honest question)

you mean about male kids/teens being an important segment of them not wanting to play an all-female ganG?

Personally i think both are still true, but that's not based on cold hard facts.

But as someone said, These specialis games might attract a more mature audience than the regular GW games, so it probably (hopefull) won't matter. I really want this game to suceed and be supported. I've waited for I don't know how many years for it to come back.

On another topic, while I think it's a money grab that they release another more complete book on release (well, according to rumours), considering the size of the current rulebook, I hope it's the case.

I don't want a streamlined game a la Shadow War, and I want a lot of backgrounds (which was the best part of original Necro imo)

Why do they look so much like dark eldar witches? why?

I wished they kept a bit more of the old style, especually the braids (corect term?) and short hair.

Where is everyone reading that there will be a fuller rulebook with all the rules? That one in the box looks far to thin to include detailed skirmish rules, an in depth campaign system to match the original and a good chunk of background.

I'm not sure on the switch for the stats to be 'to-score' rolls (with 5 possibilities with a d6 system) it is very limited for what is supposed to be a detailed skirmish game. A d8/d10 system would of been better if this is the way they want to present the characteristics.

It is one rulebook with all the rules.

And to end another myth it is (obviously) not a Shadow War expansion - via Yaktribe

I hope they don't just intend to bolt gangs onto the Shadow War: Armageddon rules

According to their FB account, they really don't. A few quotes from the comments there:

40k FB

The two games are seperate of each other, Necromunda is it's own game; it's not an expansion of Shadow War Armageddon.

Poorly armoured gangers with stub pistols against Tau Fire Warriors? Might be a bit harsh...!

Necromunda is it's own game, Mark. It's not an expansion of Shadow War: Armageddon.

https://yaktribe.org/community/threads/new-official-necromunda-in-2017.5994/page-39#post-115559

No bulkhead, no business. Seriously, a planar board... GW what happened since 1995? How is that, that back then you were able to sold us such a great plastic and card modular terrain set and now not ? It is a shame.

From earlier in this thread and other sources (A few weeks ago)

JohnnyHell - DakkaDakka

Some interesting info a friend told me today, from him chatting to Andy Hoare:

- Boxed game to have board tiles as they're cheaper to produce, and be set in a sewer-type environment. Escher and Goliath gangs plus rulebook too, obvs.
- Gangs are being reimagined a little (a la GeneCult) with differences between Houses and fleshed-out background. Goliaths are industrial and have a 'rivet gun'. Escher are chem-specialists and all mix up their own chem weapons - apparently you can see vials on the models. They have some form of chem-thrower Flamer weapon.
- Intending to promote Sector Mechanicus scenery and Zone Mortalis kits for use with Necromunda. Specialist Games couldn't have done scenery but GW coming out with Shadow War made it a possibility.
- He was told that the rules are a tweak of Necromunda. Subsequently surprised to then read from the WHCommunity post that they're 8th-based, as that wasn't intimated by AH.
- Roll to hit and roll to see if ammo test needed apparently now separate. Your dramatic chance hits will no longer always somehow be with your final bullet!
- Models have interchangeable hair, faces and arms. 5-model kit x2 per side. Allows lots of combinations without duplicating poses.

Throw all the salt needed at this but sounds interesting!

Before that, from FW Open Day

Recalcitrant Daze blog


Plastic gangs - Escher and Goliath in the box set which will not contain plastic terrain but will have card terrain so it can be used straight out of the box. This keeps the price down as many will already have terrain for it.

More gangs beyond the original houses will be coming out.

The rules are not just the last versions but all new, biggest change will be going away from the I go - you go turns.

Bases will be available separately, nothing bigger than 40mm currently planned.

Plastics will have lots of options and interchangeability etc. Lots of ways to customise.

Zedmeister @ DakkaDakka :

Been speaking to Andy Hoare:

No new terrain in box
4 Gangs done already
Based on 8th edition but detailed up
Alternate activation not UGOIGO
Leaders and heavies can group activate, frostgrave style
Juves on their own may bottle it
Intelligence, willpower and cool stats from RT return!
Full campaign and skills

Via Anthony - Yaktribe.org

Hang on lads... fair bit more info coming in here: https://twitter.com/FanaticCast

pics of other Escher and Goliath here: https://twitter.com/FanaticCast/status/896661040926253057

"Game loosely based on 8th but expanded mechanics. Intergrates turn sequence, model by model activation. Leaders and champions help.."
"By activating additional models, juices need to be near others to guarantee activation"
"Action based and with the full Rogue Trader stat line...."
"More skill tables including leader and trade ones."
"Plastic gangs and then outlanders then expanding to new gangs!!!! Takes time."
"Working of John Blanche original sketch book for more awesome stuff. Release should be November slot. First 6 gangs release schedule sorted."

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Further gangs than the initial 6 in the 'Outlander' (or whatever it will be called) expansion

Chikout wrote:
A very important detail that I have not seen posted. The rules for using regular terrain will be in a separate book. Not sure if this contains the full rules for the game or not.
If it does and you already have terrain and gangs you could just buy the book and start playing. This was the case with bloodbowl so hopefully it will be the same this time.
This info comes from warhammer weekly on YouTube.
They said the book will come out the same day as the boxed game.

you missed this one

I think it shows an interesting approach releasing a very toned down (and hopefully cost-conscious) version of this game.

I think the "right" move to gain customer support would have been an all-out $160+ version including the SWA terrain - since there was such an outcry of people missing oug on that box and the deal it contained within.

I wonder, depending on how this sells, if subsequent releases will be bigger. The approach to the starter box doesn't scream "We're confident about this and it's going to be huge!". It seems really, really safe?

They do give a bit of tongue-in-cheek reference to Spyrers and mutants in the video, albeit indirectly. While I never took particularly well to the Outlanders supplement, having models available will be huge.

I don't love the aesthetic so far, but I like the poses, etc. I hope they do Cawdor very toned down and monk-ish...but I fret that they will go way the frigg over the top with them as they have been lately. I think the entire range will offer a massive amount of conversion potential. Want a crazy biker chick squad for your Imperial Guard? There ya go. All of the Inq28 players must be squeeing in their servoskulls right now at the kit-bashing opportunities.

TLDR: Mixed reactions to the decisions GW has made regarding this release...but mostly positive.

So finally Goliath are taller than Escher. Good.

Wouldn't have seem right if it was the opposite like some thought

So I've been looking at the trailer and teasing out some details:
• there are three "custom" dice in there: the scatter die we all know and love, plus what looks like a "damage" die with symbols for flesh wounds, down and out, and what could an ammo/jam or even sustained fire die with faces including bullets and bullet holes. The fourth type of die visible is just a normal D6, only with the new Necromunda Eagle/Skull logo on the “6” face.
• laspistols have a 12" max range and all the stats you’d expect but have an additional trait beyond simply being a "pistol" but what that is, is very unclear.
• the rogue trader stat line is indeed back in full force, except that BS & WS are target values rather than comparative ones, like in eighth edition 40k and, significantly, so are Initiative and all the mental stats.
• A ganger with a laspistol and power sword is valued at 110 credits
• power swords seem to have a number in their “long range” column, and have the “power” trait on top of the melee and parry you’d expect.

 streetsamurai wrote:


So finally Goliath are taller than Escher. Good.

Wouldn't have seem right if it was the opposite like some thought

Are they now? My 32mm & 40mm Sector Mechanicus bases are the same height. The picture shows the 40mm a smidge "taller" for some odd reason. Bad meshing of two separate photos? New bases?


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I'd say they are the same height basically...

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


So finally Goliath are taller than Escher. Good.

Wouldn't have seem right if it was the opposite like some thought

Are they now? My 32mm & 40mm Sector Mechanicus bases are the same height. The picture shows the 40mm a smidge "taller" for some odd reason. Bad meshing of two separate photos? New bases?


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I'd say they are the same height basically...

In every other instance, 32s are slightly taller 25s. Never used Zone Imperialis bases, but the Shattered Dominion bases that came out around the same time were slightly different (it's hard to notice, really). You may want to check again.

Those are 25s and 32s, not 32s and 40s.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Those are 25s and 32s, not 32s and 40s.

Speaking of which i hope there will be a release of zone mortalis bases as a separate thing.

I already resin cast my own but damn i do love me some plastic bases.

 insaniak wrote:
Well, that's... underwhelming.


I mean, the minis are pretty and all, but as a boxed game the 2d tiles are certainly much less impressive than the original's terrain setup.

I literally couldn't disagree more with this. It's sheer, unadultered nostalgia IMO. 3D card terrain is awful. It is just is - it looks bad, it's too light, it falls apart too easily unless you glue it all together in which case one of its big supposed advantages(modularity & easy storage) goes away, it gets damaged easily and is almost impossible to repair. I will take high quality 2D tiles over the Toppling Towers of Necromunda any day, and I'm not even that big a fan of 2D tiles.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
Well, that's... underwhelming.


I mean, the minis are pretty and all, but as a boxed game the 2d tiles are certainly much less impressive than the original's terrain setup.

I literally couldn't disagree more with this. It's sheer, unadultered nostalgia IMO. 3D card terrain is awful. It is just is - it looks bad, it's too light, it falls apart too easily unless you glue it all together in which case one of its big supposed advantages(modularity & easy storage) goes away, it gets damaged easily and is almost impossible to repair. I will take high quality 2D tiles over the Toppling Towers of Necromunda any day, and I'm not even that big a fan of 2D tiles.

Its probably more accessible to new players than trying to make a bunch of mouse trap terrain. though the bulk heads will be missed.

Why do their feet and hands look so out of proportion...

 ImAGeek wrote:
Those are 25s and 32s, not 32s and 40s.

That makes sense then.

anab0lic wrote:
Why do their feet and hands look so out of proportion...

Heroic scaling always makes hands look absurd.

anab0lic wrote:
Why do their feet and hands look so out of proportion...

The goliaths look fine, but the escher ones have weird hands..particularly the one above. Their torsos are also kind of stubby, somewhat masculine compared to the artwork they show in the preview video. Maybe not that masculine but they look like what i'd imagine a female Kharadron or dwarf torso would look like. For me the paintjob also isn't doing them any favors. It's not a bad paintjob from a technical standpoint but I think there should be more of a stark contrast between the light and dark parts. The black parts are too excessively highlighted, so it ends up looking grey-ish. And I still don't think GW can sculpt CAD female faces worth poo...some of these heads will need a different paintjob to save em...just my opinions though...

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
The tiles are clearly 12" square. Not only that, but many appear to have exactly the same layout as actual zone mortalis tiles.

I noticed this as well, they are literally 2D versions of the Zone Mortalis resin terrain tiles made by ForgeWorld....and the plastic single and double-wide bulkhead pieces that come with the new box set seem like they are made to be the Necromunda version of the blast doors.

Found some pictures on Facebook that I do not believe have been posted in this thread yet.

Escher Starter Gang


Goliath Starter Gang