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Dastardly Dave wrote: As for my suspiscions, I'm beginning to get very suspicious of Gornall, This is for several reasons:

1. He has so far managed to be a large influence as to who gets lynched,(this could however be clever townie behaivior) without ever actually being on the final vote list. (not much, but it could be something)
2. He didn't die last night. If he isn't the genestealer, the actuall genestealer would have killed him to place (extra) suspicsion on me.
3. I didn't die last night. If he is the genestealer, he would be reasonably confident of getting me lynched today, so would not kill me.
4. There is no forth thing (for now)
Any thoughts?

1. I was actually wrong on both votes that mattered (as were you, Rusty, and Fifty), so I don't know how your first point makes too much sense. Remember, we've only lynched one innocent this game. Vulkan got himself killed.
2. Or the genestealer could have used that line of thinking to try and get me killed today. It's very hard to know what the scum is thinking. TBH, I can think of at least 3 people who should have been night-killed before Stynier and the others.
3. Another reason you could be alive is because you're the genestealer.... as could any of us.

I'll be honest and say I keep second-guessing myself. I do not know what to think right now, and I really don't know who I will vote for at the moment.

Out of a sense of a need for some sort of structure to my voting, I may well vote for gnd/dd again, rather than flinging votes around wildly, as if I begin to question myself too much I'll do the job to myself that Drk_O started, ie going insane.

I'd rather get rended limb-from-limb because I listened to my gut instincts and they were wrong than because they were right but I ignored them.

(Gornall - as for me not discussing much in the last day, I had more to say than most people, and while I'll not claim it was much, at least I was talking. I am not a fan of talking to myself though, so I didn't witter on endlessly like Dark_O)

The main reason why I don't make too long posts is that many of the things is just repeating what other people have already said, or an endless arguament that just get's pointless. Since I joined people weren't so suspicious of me due to my role being pretty clear, and I'm suprised I'm not yet dead due to Vulkan's PM making me a loyalist if the other part is true. I watch for a while when I have time then make my move at the stage where I know what I want, even though I'll admit I should explain it more.

Vote: Dastardly Dave

I still find it highly suspicious that Both Drk_O and LotG switched their votes from GND/DD. The only reason for this being, in my mind, that he could perhaps be a genestealer power role of sorts. This, added to GND/DD's quietness during the pervious days and his rather cryptic answers and posts(more GND than DD)make me suspicious of him.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty (Arheiner)
0 - Rusty Knight
1 - Dastardly Dave (Deff Dread red Edition)
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Fifty Dastardly Dave Mekboy Gornall Rusty Knight
With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Fifty would be lynched
Deadline countdown

I'm interested to hear what Mekboy and Rusty have to say about their suspicions. Let's get discussion rolling now, rather than have silence most of the day.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:Vote: Dastardly Dave

I still find it highly suspicious that Both Drk_O and LotG switched their votes from GND/DD. The only reason for this being, in my mind, that he could perhaps be a genestealer power role of sorts. This, added to GND/DD's quietness during the pervious days and his rather cryptic answers and posts(more GND than DD)make me suspicious of him.

We've already found two power roles, I don't think there will be another, besides, the only choice for a 'stealer power role so far is a Magus, and no-one has been blocked so far as far as I know. Can you confirm this thor?

Dastardly Dave wrote:We've already found two power roles, I don't think there will be another, besides, the only choice for a 'stealer power role so far is a Magus, and no-one has been blocked so far as far as I know. Can you confirm this thor?

As outlined in the Registration thread - I can assure you that if there is a Genestealer power role then it is the Genestealer Magus (role-blocker).

DDRE... that's the best reasoning for the switch I've heard so far. I still don't know why they both voted for him to begin with though if he is the Magus.

While I do think that DD is one of the most likely genestealers, I will say that I'm slighty wary of Gornall. He seems almost too good to be true. Then again, that is just a gut feeling.

Well, if the roles of either the dead inquisitor or assasin's night actions were blocked, we would know nothing of it(I assume the Magnus operates some what like a doctor in normal mafia, I might be wrong though).

As for there already being 2 power roles, I think it is perfectly reasonable to think that there is a third. I mean, wouldn't it stand to reason that to counteract there being 2 power roles on the Imperial side the genestealers would have some form of protection to make the game fair?

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:(I assume the Magnus operates some what like a doctor in normal mafia, I might be wrong though).

The Magus operates identical to a roleblocker in normal Mafia - to whit; whoever he targets has their night action (if any) blocked.

Mekboy wrote:While I do think that DD is one of the most likely genestealers, I will say that I'm slighty wary of Gornall. He seems almost too good to be true. Then again, that is just a gut feeling.

LOL... I could say the same about you and your vote summaries. Which is why I'm suprised we're both still alive.

I felt that Lord Loss and Emperor's Faithful were too good to be true as well. I don't get any vibes on my scumdar from Gornall, although I have had the same "too good to be true" thoughts. I get a few more bad vibes from Mekboy. Deff Dredd and Rusty just seem very quiet.

Rather than leave the talking going all night, I'll put my money where my mouth is, and stick to my guns...

Vote: Dastardly Dave

Well, If you're all going to lynch me without having any discussion then there isn't much I can do, at least my death will narrow down the options and give two more dead innocents for tomorrow to discuss.

I might as well put in my two pennies now and say that ATM I find Gornall the most suspiscious, and I think you should Lynch him tomorrow. I notice that he isn't saying much about 'having more conversation' now he knows that it would be easy to get me lynched. I think that his insistence on getting people to say who they think are suspicsious could just be a ploy to find out who to scapegoat. If you are innocent Gornall, sorry, but this is how I've seen things for the entire game and I haven't seen anything to disprove me.

This may sound like desperation, but I'd clearly rather not die and let the genestealer any closer to victory.

It won't do much good but:
Vote: Gornall

Dastardly Dave wrote:Well, If you're all going to lynch me without having any discussion then there isn't much I can do, at least my death will narrow down the options and give two more dead innocents for tomorrow to discuss.

I might as well put in my two pennies now and say that ATM I find Gornall the most suspiscious, and I think you should Lynch him tomorrow. I notice that he isn't saying much about 'having more conversation' now he knows that it would be easy to get me lynched. I think that his insistence on getting people to say who they think are suspicsious could just be a ploy to find out who to scapegoat. If you are innocent Gornall, sorry, but this is how I've seen things for the entire game and I haven't seen anything to disprove me.

This may sound like desperation, but I'd clearly rather not die and let the genestealer any closer to victory.

It won't do much good but:
Vote: Gornall

You're still a ways from being lynched, so you might want to wait on the martyr bit. I'm still holding off for conversation... you'll notice I haven't voted for you yet, even though I've repeatedly said I think you are the most suspicious today. I think it's important that we take time and get input from everyone. By asking everyone who they think is suspicious and why, we put people on the spot to make an argument and defend it. The justification of arguments are just as important to look at as anything else, as they give us a look at the individual's thought process. You have a point in that the genestealers could use part of that info against us... however, the benefit far outweighs that disadvantage. At the same time, I think we need to make cases for and against everyone and see how people respond to it. For example, so far you haven't tried to offer a plausible explanation for DarkO and LotG's votes on the second day.... rather you've just tried to cast suspicions elsewhere.

Gornall wrote:You're still a ways from being lynched, so you might want to wait on the martyr bit. I'm still holding off for conversation... you'll notice I haven't voted for you yet, even though I've repeatedly said I think you are the most suspicious today. I think it's important that we take time and get input from everyone. By asking everyone who they think is suspicious and why, we put people on the spot to make an argument and defend it. The justification of arguments are just as important to look at as anything else, as they give us a look at the individual's thought process. You have a point in that the genestealers could use part of that info against us... however, the benefit far outweighs that disadvantage. At the same time, I think we need to make cases for and against everyone and see how people respond to it. For example, so far you haven't tried to offer a plausible explanation for DarkO and LotG's votes on the second day.... rather you've just tried to cast suspicions elsewhere.

Not really, 2 votes off isn't much.

As for a 'plausible explanation' I've really no Idea, Most of their posts were a bit weird anyway so who can blame me? When did I try to cast suspiscion elsewhere? Most of my early posts were EDIT: genestealer: tactics I thought we should take into consideration.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty (Arheiner)
0 - Rusty Knight
2 - Dastardly Dave (Deff Dread red Edition Fifty )
0 - Arheiner
1 - Gornall ( Dastardly Dave )

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Mekboy Gornall Rusty Knight
With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Dastardly Dave would be lynched
Deadline countdown

At the moment, I'm entertaining the notion of Mekboy as a 'stealer. He worries me as I think he was able to slide out from under any threat of scrutiny by posting those very nice post count summaries. Of course, I don't have any proof yet.

Fifty stating that he didn't think we needed to lynch Drk_O yesterday strikes me as odd, but I might just be jumping at shadows.

Unfortunately, the most damning evidence that I see at the moment are all of GND's escapades. That said, I won't vote for him for fear of a 'stealer ninja kill.

I'm starting to entertain the idea that you're all stealers at the moment.

RustyKnight wrote:Unfortunately, the most damning evidence that I see at the moment are all of GND's escapades. That said, I won't vote for him for fear of a 'stealer ninja kill.

Do you mean me or Ginger-Nid-Dude? could people please clarify who they mean or just use DD/Dave for me.

You are GND. Well, GND's past actions are your past actions.

RustyKnight wrote:You are GND. Well, GND's past actions are your past actions.

OOC: Yes, I know, but I can't tell you why GND did some of his past actions. Clarifying who you mean allows me to know whether I can explain it or not

RustyKnight wrote:At the moment, I'm entertaining the notion of Mekboy as a 'stealer. He worries me as I think he was able to slide out from under any threat of scrutiny by posting those very nice post count summaries. Of course, I don't have any proof yet.

Fifty stating that he didn't think we needed to lynch Drk_O yesterday strikes me as odd, but I might just be jumping at shadows.

Unfortunately, the most damning evidence that I see at the moment are all of GND's escapades. That said, I won't vote for him for fear of a 'stealer ninja kill.

I never said, "We don't need to lynch Drk_O."

I said, "We don't necessarily need to lynch Dark_O today."

We didn't have to vote for him yesterday. In the end it became the only sensible thing to do, because we had no real alternative to vote for. Now admittedly, leaving him alive and getting the other 'stealer wrong would have left them with a chance to confer overnight, but if we had been sure enough of our other choice, it was a possible option.

Well, nothing said for 8 hours...

Maybe we should do this a different way, as talking about each other is not working. I suggest we each make a case of why we are not a 'stealer.

I'll go first.

This is my first game of this. Early doors, I thought there would be more "role-playing", so my interactions with Lord Loss looked a bit over-reactionary. Once I got into the swing of things, I have avoided the sort of things that made LotG look bad, like utterly ridiculous statements about his background. I've just tried to play the game - not invent ridiculous stories.

I've stuck to my suspicions of gnd (now DD) from the get-go. I think I was even voting for him when we lynched someone else, although I am not certain of that.

I supported the suspicions of the_ferret, although I am pretty sure I was not voting for him. (I actually think that may have been when I was voting for gnd).

I can't remember if I voted for LotG or not. I think I did. I certainly was not against his lynching.

When we voted for DLS, I had been firm in my suspicions of him since early days. I got that one wrong, but we all got it wrong.

Short of going through every page of this, that is my main memories of what I have and have not done.

I'd like to see what everyone else has to say about their own statements and votes. There is less excuse for people not to talk about their own actions, even if they don't have much to say about other people.

Evidence for me to NOT be a genestealer is:

1. I have been very vocal in the community and often a voice for taking our time (especially on Day 1) and discussing as much as possible.

2. On Day 2, my vote for LotG put him into a tie with GND/DD and helped lead to his demise, even if I removed my vote from him and placed it on DarkO towards the end because of his change in character.

@ point 1, do you remember Thor's last game?

OOC: I do indeed.... nom nom.

You're right, my point 1 isn't the best evidence in the world. However, my point 2 is pretty ironclad, IMO.

Yeah, finding 2 traitors with 2 votes isn't bad at all. Wait, that makes em very suspicious of you all of a sudden...

Arheiner wrote:Yeah, finding 2 traitors with 2 votes isn't bad at all. Wait, that makes em very suspicious of you all of a sudden...

How so?