Genestealer Game 3 - The Rumble in the Jungle (GAME OVER - Genestealer Victory)

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**Arheiner**

The odds on that being 2 traitor show that you may be the third due to the odds on it being otherwise, it's more likely you knew from the inside IMO. I have a strong feeling you voted to remove suspicion. And all the "you're not even close's may be true.

**Gornall**

Thor specifically stated that the "not even close" was just story and had no real meaning.

For me to be a genestealer, it would mean that DarkO and I both intentionally threw LotG under the bus in hopes of keeping suspicion off of ourselves. Do you really think that is the most plausible explanation for the votes? Wouldn't a better plan had been to just let GND get lynched that day and not sacrifice a genestealer?

You're right, by pure chance, having votes on both of them is low. However, are actions aren't guided by chance. LotG had been acting cagey so was a good suspect (considerign a majority voted to lynch him) and DarkO went from a bumbling fool to a well-spoken and coherent individual very quickly, making him a suspect in my eyes. Obviously enough of a suspect that Vulkan inspected him. So I wasn't the only one to suspect those two. My votes weren't from inside knowledge but logical suspicion.

I still think the most plausible explanation is that GND/DD is a Magus which explains why LotG didn't try to vote for him to save himself. It also explains DarkO's vote switch from GND/DD to LotG. Better to lose a regular genestealer than the Magus.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

Even though my case is flimsy I will post it in the interest of keeping conversation going:

I haven't voted a lot, and when I have the vote has been explained and thought out. On 2 occasions I have voted for those now known to be stealers(given I did vote to lynch The_Ferrett, however his actions were rather suspect).

**Dastardly Dave**

Arheiner wrote:The odds on that being 2 traitor show that you may be the third due to the odds on it being otherwise, it's more likely you knew from the inside IMO. I have a strong feeling you voted to remove suspicion. And all the "you're not even close's may be true.

Also, with fewer 'stealers its less likely you will lynch the remaining one.

Gornall wrote:Thor specifically stated that the "not even close" was just story and had no real meaning.

However, this could work both ways, we could be very close, or not close at all.

**RustyKnight**

Explaining why we aren't 'stealers? This seems like a very odd exercise to me. Anything any one of us says is immediately suspect in the others eyes.

I am not a genestealer because I have not done anything scummy? I mean, I've been accused a few times, but all of the charges had simple explanations. I think I've been fairly helpful for this being my first game.

**Gornall**

Dastardly Dave wrote:
Gornall wrote:Thor specifically stated that the "not even close" was just story and had no real meaning.
However, this could work both ways, we could be very close, or not close at all.

Or it could mean absolutely nothing... like Thor said.

**Gornall**

RustyKnight wrote:Explaining why we aren't 'stealers? This seems like a very odd exercise to me. Anything any one of us says is immediately suspect in the others eyes.

I agree... but it's better than no conversation at all.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

Sadly it hasn't generated much conversation(most we've had in awhile though).

Perhaps we should each do a write up of who we find suspicious and for what reasons?

I'll have a go in hopes of getting conversation started...

Firstly, I rather obviously find GND/DD supicious. GND/DD's early rather cryptic comments and generally strange attitude, along with the as yet unexplained reason why both genestealers unvoted him and instead chose to lynch another stealer.

DLS/Arheiner is also rather suspect in my eyes due to his rather abrasive manner and his blood thirstiness(early game).

Anyone else care to have a go?

Edited to correct spelling.

**Gornall**

My main suspect is GND/DD because of the voting pattern and also him trying to gain traction with Thor's "you're not even close".

I do not know about DDRE, Rusty, or Fifty. I still haven't been impressed with Rusty's attitude, but everyone has been so quiet that it's hard to get a good read on things.

I'm planning to vote fairly soon, but will hold off and hope these exercises cause some more conversation.

**Fifty**

I think I've been pretty talkative recently. Apart from you yourself, Gornall, I'd say I am chattier than most.

((ooc having said that, I am in work hell for a few days. My posts may be short, or non-existent until the weekend))

**RustyKnight**

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:
DLS/Arheiner is also rather suspect in my eyes due to his rather abrasive manner and his blood thirstiness(early game).

Didn't Vulkan's rulebreak exonerate DLS/Arheiner?

As for suspicions? Aside from GND/DD, I just don't see anyone acting that suspiciously. I mean, I have no evidence against anyone. Maybe Gornall was a bit on the lucky side with voting for both 'stealers. Or maybe he was just that good.

**Arheiner**

When was I bloodthirsty?

**Deff Dread red Edition**

RustyKnight wrote:
Deff Dread red Edition wrote:
DLS/Arheiner is also rather suspect in my eyes due to his rather abrasive manner and his blood thirstiness(early game).

Didn't Vulkan's rulebreak exonerate DLS/Arheiner?

As for suspicions? Aside from GND/DD, I just don't see anyone acting that suspiciously. I mean, I have no evidence against anyone. Maybe Gornall was a bit on the lucky side with voting for both 'stealers. Or maybe he was just that good.

Somehow I seem to have forgotten all about that. However, my exercise was merely to try to get a little conversation.

@Arheiner-Early on(while DLS was still playing, before you replaced him) he came off as a little bullish and seemed heavily in favour of lynching people without much discussion(from what I can remember, I should have really kept notes).

**Arheiner**

Note that for future games if that'll be his style.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

I do believe that it was more from a character or story point, then his style of play.

In any case, I merely posted my suspicion of you to try and start conversation. Sadly, GND/DD has not posted anything in his defense, which I would like to see. Then again, there isn't much(in my mind)that he could say to steer me from my current vote. It would be nice to see him give it a try though.

**Gornall**

Because I've believed GND/DD is a traitor since yesterday and haven't heard anything to make me doubt it, I'm going to Vote: Dastardly Dave.

My count puts him at L-1, so anyone else voting for him better carefully consider their actions.

Maybe this will spur some more conversation from him...

**Thor665**

Mekboy has been poked with the prod stick.
If Dastardly Dave doesn't post prior to tomorrow morning he shalt also be prodded.
Everyone else is good - thank you!

Ye Olde Vote Accounting

0 - Mekboy
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty (Arheiner)
0 - Rusty Knight
3 - Dastardly Dave (Deff Dread red Edition Fifty Gornall )
0 - Arheiner
1 - Gornall ( Dastardly Dave )

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Mekboy Rusty Knight
With 7 alive it is 4 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Dastardly Dave would be lynched
Deadline countdown

**Mekboy**

*poke*

Ow.

Anyway, the more I look at it, the more it seems to me that Gornall is the last 'stealer. Throughout the game, he has been holding the imperial side together, yet the genestealers haven't targetted him yet. He says the same about me, but if I die, someone else could easily pick up where I left off. Gornall has been keeping the imperial side working, and so if the stealers took him out, then we're on the back foot.

For that reason, Vote: Gornall.

Emperor forgive me if I'm wrong.

**Gornall**

Honestly, I don't know why I've been let to live. Part of it could have been they thought they could manipulate me by voting weird (DarkO's vote for GND/DD for example). They knew that would cause me to give DarkO a break for a while... they just didn't count on Vulkan sniffing him out.

That or it could be that I am on to GND/DD and thought that killing me would shine the spotlight on him. Or it could be the opposite... they know I'm "not even close" so don't think of me as a threat until I've helped them lynch GND/DD. Who knows? I think drawing conclusions on night kills is very, very risky. There are too many opportunities for fakeouts.

**Dastardly Dave**

Sorry I haven't been conversing for a while, had(have) a lot of things to do.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:
Firstly, I rather obviously find GND/DD supicious. GND/DD's early rather cryptic comments and generally strange attitude, along with the as yet unexplained reason why both genestealers unvoted him and instead chose to lynch another stealer.

How do you expect me to explain this, aside from agreeing with Gornall? From my perspective, its completely random. I have already attempted to explain it here:

Dastardly Dave wrote:A lot of people were switching to LotG, why couldn't it just have been a bandwagon vote? Besides, when has Drk_O been known for good strategy?

It could also have been a deliberate move to put suspiscion on me, although this is extremely unlikely.

Gornall wrote:My main suspect is GND/DD because of the voting pattern and also him trying to gain traction with Thor's "you're not even close".

How was I 'trying to gain traction'? I was merely pointing out that, contrary to what seemed to be your opinion that we were close, as it means nothing: we could be close, not close at all, or anything in between. If that wasn't your opinion then we are arguing the same point.

Gornall wrote:Because I've believed GND/DD is a traitor since yesterday and haven't heard anything to make me doubt it, I'm going to Vote: Dastardly Dave.

My count puts him at L-1, so anyone else voting for him better carefully consider their actions.

Maybe this will spur some more conversation from him...

You realise that by doing this you are effectively putting your own neck on the line. If (or when) you Lynch me and find out I am neither a magus, nor a genestealer of any kind, you (Gornall) will most likely get lynched tommorow, meaning we win, If you get lynched today and it turns out you aren't a 'stealer, then I will most likely get lynched tommorow. If we lynch you at any point and you are a genestealer, then we win anyway. If neither of us are 'stealers, then he's been hiding very well, and the rest of you will have to work really hard. This means I have nothing to lose, as whatever happens (unless we win), I will probably be lynched within the next two day phases, unless we lynch someone other than me or Gornall. This is why I haven't really been defending myself as:
A) It wouldn't do anything as I can't account for GND's actions, and
B) as stated above, I don't really need to.

EDIT: Removed accidentally copied number

**Fifty**

That confuses the hell out of me...

**Dastardly Dave**

Fifty wrote:That confuses the hell out of me...

Sorry about that, what needs clarification? (please don't say 'all of it'

)

**RustyKnight**

Fifty wrote:That confuses the hell out of me...

I think that may have been the point. It mainly says "Don't lynch me as I'm an innocent and if you lynch me you'll then lynch Gornall."

**Dastardly Dave**

RustyKnight wrote:
Fifty wrote:That confuses the hell out of me...
I think that may have been the point. It mainly says "Don't lynch me as I'm an innocent and if you lynch me you'll then lynch Gornall."

That wasn't the point. To clarify:

It actually says:
You can technically lynch either of us, as there are 3 likely situations now. We either win or I get lynched:

If I get lynched, then people will (presumably) lynch Gornall tommorow, so if he is a genestealer, The Imperial side will win.

If Gornall is lynched and he is not a genestealer, then unless I get killed overnight I will be lynched tommorow. The Imperial side will then have a lot of work to do in finding who is the real genestealer however.

If Gornall is lynched and he is the genestealer, then the Imperial side wins as mentioned above.

The most unlikely situation is one where neither of us get lynched, which will lead to another day of light discussion like today and yesterday.

**RustyKnight**

Option 4) We lynch you. You're a genestealer. We celebrate.

I don't think it matters what happens; conversation seems to be slow coming. I think it could be that this game has been going on for months now.

**Dastardly Dave**

I am the only person who knows i'm not a genestealer, so that option is already covered as point 1, if you lynch me, you will probably lynch Gornall tommorow as he is currently the next most suspicious person here. In fact, if lynching me is the only way you will be convinced of my innocence and start to actually look at other people, then go ahead.

If it causes an Imperial win after you actually start talking then it wouldn't be a problem as a win is collective for all members of a team, besides, unless we win, I will die in the next two days anyway (as said before)

**Dastardly Dave**

Also, the reason conversation has been slow is because all the people who used to participate in conversations have been lynched or killed. Despite peoples best efforts, its been the quiet ones who've survived.

**Gornall**

See... to me the people getting killed off really don't seem that talkative. We had LL, Not_U, and Stynier? None of them jumped out to me as super talkative and helpful. TBH, I was starting to get very suspicious of Stynier.

**Dastardly Dave**

Yes, but Drk_O and LotG, who frequently either started or were the cause of conversations were both lynched, and it stands to reason that with less people you get less talking anyway.

**Gornall**

OOC:: Yeah... this game has been dragging... no more 15 player games for me.