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 Iechine wrote:
Thought this was a cool leak. Here is one of the actual GW playtesters in action, reviewing the new Codex before signing off on it.

Truly, it is a privilege to watch his mind work.

 ductvader wrote:

 Iechine wrote:
Crone vector striked the Crimson hunter and inflicted 2 glances, but my Harpy finished it off with its vector strike.

Crone got 2 2s on the vector strike? And then a Harpy gets a 5 or 6?

Super annoying I bet.

2 2's and two pen's which were jink saved, then the Harpy got two 6's which she didnt save.

 Iechine wrote:
Crone's fired 4 missiles

Not legal - FMCs can only fire 2.

My planned 1850 list, although I haven't had a chance to play it yet, is going to be something like:

2X Dev Flyrants
2X3 Zoanthropes
3 Venomthropes
Tervigon
30 Termagants w 15 devourers
15 Gargoyles
2x Tyrannofex w acid spray and e.shock grubs
3 Biovores

Unfortunately, it will be a bit before I get to try it (though I have mostly set it in stone) I had to give up on my old nid list since it didn't get any better. I just want to use genestealers and hormagaunts but they suck so much now.

I need to buy and paint like half the army. The things that are set in stone, like venomthropes, biovores and 1 flyrant.

It's going to have to be played aggressively. The list really can't afford to sit around for a turn.

rigeld2 wrote:

 Iechine wrote:
Crone's fired 4 missiles

Not legal - FMCs can only fire 2.

He was running 2 crones.

Oh. My bad. =x sorry lechine.

2 x Dev flyrants

Venomthrope
1 x zoan
2 x zoan

Terv
30 x gants
10 x gants

19 x goyles

2 x biovores
2 x dakkafex
1 x Exocrine

1x bastion

This is my 1750 so far. I've only had 4 games with it so far. Right now still 4-0 but have not played some of the more dom meta armies just yet. I have a full wraithwing and WS biker game coming up though... those should be interesting.

Well.

Local GW store has decided to hold a 1500 point mini league of sorts. So here's the following...

Hive Tyrant - Wings, Twin Devourers, Hive Commander

*The standard it seems. Our anti-flyer unit, capable of zipping around and laying waste to small squads or pinging light vehicles or flyers to death with multiple shots.

Hive Tyrant - Wings, Lash Whip and Bonesword

*Trying something different. A mobile assassin of sorts, leaping onto small squads or lone characters and ripping them apart. Also for Vector Striking the odd flyer that it comes across.

30 Termagants - 20 Spinefists, 10 Devourers

*This will be my screening foot blob. Just moving up with some Dakkafexes and the Warriors and spitting out that many shots constantly.

Tervigon

*Outflanking. More synapse, and the fact he poops gaunts out makes his outflanking useful as a threat to an objective in the enemy half and as another spreading tendril of Synapse.

5 Genestealers and Broodlord

*More outflanking. Ideally I want to bring them on near the Tervigon and just start bullying a flank. Ideally the same flank that the Devourer Flyrant will be flying about.

3 Warriors - 2 Deathspitters, Barbed Strangler

*A backline objective holding unit really. And a synapse bubble if something starts to fall back in panic.

14 Gargoyles

*Why 14? Because they're the metal ones and I really can't be asked with 15. A nice big screening unit, probably fluttering in with the Assassin Tyrant.

Zoanthrope

*More Synapse bubble spread. And a portable warp lance.

2 Carnifexes - 2 x Twin Devourers

*To advance with the footsloggers and just turn the midfield into a rain of massed firepower.

 Iechine wrote:

 ductvader wrote:

 Iechine wrote:
Crone vector striked the Crimson hunter and inflicted 2 glances, but my Harpy finished it off with its vector strike.

Crone got 2 2s on the vector strike? And then a Harpy gets a 5 or 6?

Super annoying I bet.

2 2's and two pen's which were jink saved, then the Harpy got two 6's which she didnt save.

Vector strikes ignore cover...

Honestly, i ran the LW/BS Tyrant last Sunday. In all honesty I could have dome more damage with adrenals, toxin, flesh hooks and 2x TL dev. He would still get AP2 smash and hammer attacks and likely do as much damage (considering he has an extra 6 shots as well).

If you are outflanking the Tervigon I would recommend at least a Thorax biomorph and possibly adrenals.

Overall the list looks okay.

We tied...heavy losses on both sides. The bloody riptide just would not die against my flyrant and 13 hormagaunts. Mawloc again missed her target (3 times in 1 game :( I guess that makes up for how amazing she has been lately at the FLGS). My hormagaunts failed synapse when my Zoey got popped and ate each other. That gak sucks dudes, it really does. It came down to us both having line breaker, me with first blood and she had warlord.

The wife officially loves the Wraithknight so we'll probably be getting two of them when tax season rolls around. I really enjoyed the 3 fliers and the harpies spore mines were really cool, she missed and spawned three mines which charged into a bunch of Dire Avenger faces and destroyed them. And being able to vector strike everything is a lot of fun.

Trygon used to be my favorite unit, I love that model, but he has done absolutely awful. This game he came in turn 4 and charged into difficult terrain, I rolled two ones for my lowest, so I rolled again with fleet and...two ones again. THEN he got in to combat next turn (now with 1 wound) and I rolled all 1's and 2's to hit the Crisis suits. Amazing.


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 tetrisphreak wrote:

Vector strikes ignore cover...

: /

Don't put the trygon in reserve. Put him in the DZ and rush forward with fleet.

My sadness has been with his CC. In every game he has managed to whiff on hitting, whether vehicles or infantry. I miss the re-rolls bad.

 Iechine wrote:
My sadness has been with his CC. In every game he has managed to whiff on hitting, whether vehicles or infantry. I miss the re-rolls bad.

Blessing in disguise - if he stays in cc longer that's less time he's getting shot.

Also he gets 1 extra attack when smashing than before so that's good.

My main thing which I havent solved is my troops section. The warriors I like but I feel like if I take two units of warriors Im super light on bodies on the field. This doesnt feel very tyranidy but I dont know if its bad either.

The troops section has been the hardest button to button with this codex.

2k
Two Flyrants w/ HVC and devourer, 1 with HC
Venomthrope
6 Warriors with rending claws/deathspitter (Outflanking)
4 warriors with devourer and barbed strangler
Harpy
Crone
Crone
2x Carnifex (HVC/devourer)
Mawloc
Trygon

Something like that?

 felixcat wrote:

Honestly, i ran the LW/BS Tyrant last Sunday. In all honesty I could have dome more damage with adrenals, toxin, flesh hooks and 2x TL dev. He would still get AP2 smash and hammer attacks and likely do as much damage (considering he has an extra 6 shots as well).

He'd also cost an extra chunk of points more than could be afforded at this level as well.

If you are outflanking the Tervigon I would recommend at least a Thorax biomorph and possibly adrenals.

Again, more points than necessary. Sticking Adrenals on everything gets costly fast. He's still a T6, 6 wound scoring unit with a 3+ save that spawns more scoring units. Making him fleet a little doesn't really do much apart from pour more points into him.

Overall the list looks okay.

I forgot to mention the 5 Genestealers and Broodlord that will also be outflanking. Bad DSS. BAD.

After some playtesting I have decided to keep in the box some unnits that have underperformance last battles. I will stop using Mawlocs, Biovores, and T-fexes, gargoyles..........

So my list stays like this:

-HQ: Flyrant
-HQ: Flyrant
-TROOP: 30 Termagants
-TROOP: 10 Termagants
-TROOP: Tervigon
-ELITE: Venonthrope
-ELITE: Zoanthrope
-F.A: Hive Crone
-F.A: Hive Crone
-F.A: Harpy
-H.S: Dakkafex
-H.S: Dakkafex
-H.S: Dakkafex
-FORTIFICATION: 2x Vengance Weapon Battery with large blast F8 Ap3

Deploy and play very agresive, use the Vengance Weapons to hide behind, LOS the Zoanthrope and Venonthrope and get some cover saves in the first turns for those big guys. The AP3 large blast ad nice anti MEQ to the army. Y prefeer it to the bastion as im not using any reserves but LOS and hide in the deployment.

So far havent lost a single game with this army.

I've gotta ask, as this thread has been invaluable thus far even just for getting me thinking, etc... as I build my new 'Nids collection...

... Why so little testing of the Exocrine? I've seen a few people talking about how he can be viable, but haven't seen extensive tactica on his use. I'm assuming it is just because he is a new model, and thus not everyone has them yet for experimentation-sake. That said, he seems like a volume of decent AP2 fire, good anti-infantry, can glance down decent side-armor.

I'm trying to give him a go, and hope to get some games in soon. Right now i'm liking 90% of my list, and it is usually just a few pieces i'm torn on.

Right now, a minimum unit of Gargoyles, a Bastion, a Mawloc, and Biovores, all vie for the same points i'd be using for that Exocrine.

Also, has any testing been done in the new Codex, of Devilgants? Without Spores I know they're a trickier choice, but wonder if anyone has played with Outflanking in a big group of Devourer Gants, maybe we a few regular Gants to eat initial shots against them?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I've gotta ask, as this thread has been invaluable thus far even just for getting me thinking, etc... as I build my new 'Nids collection...

... Why so little testing of the Exocrine? I've seen a few people talking about how he can be viable, but haven't seen extensive tactica on his use. I'm assuming it is just because he is a new model, and thus not everyone has them yet for experimentation-sake. That said, he seems like a volume of decent AP2 fire, good anti-infantry, can glance down decent side-armor.

I'm trying to give him a go, and hope to get some games in soon. Right now i'm liking 90% of my list, and it is usually just a few pieces i'm torn on.

Right now, a minimum unit of Gargoyles, a Bastion, a Mawloc, and Biovores, all vie for the same points i'd be using for that Exocrine.

Also, has any testing been done in the new Codex, of Devilgants? Without Spores I know they're a trickier choice, but wonder if anyone has played with Outflanking in a big group of Devourer Gants, maybe we a few regular Gants to eat initial shots against them?

My experience with the exocrine, if you bring one...bring two.

Many opponents will venture into exocrine range for a shot at killing him...but no one will venture into dual exocrine range. It keeps you on the offensive.

Exocrine is such a hot target for most opponents. Ive only ever seen him die or whiff on killing.

Also...haven't tried it bu I think a tyranno might be able to relieve some pressure as well

 ductvader wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I've gotta ask, as this thread has been invaluable thus far even just for getting me thinking, etc... as I build my new 'Nids collection...

... Why so little testing of the Exocrine? I've seen a few people talking about how he can be viable, but haven't seen extensive tactica on his use. I'm assuming it is just because he is a new model, and thus not everyone has them yet for experimentation-sake. That said, he seems like a volume of decent AP2 fire, good anti-infantry, can glance down decent side-armor.

I'm trying to give him a go, and hope to get some games in soon. Right now i'm liking 90% of my list, and it is usually just a few pieces i'm torn on.

Right now, a minimum unit of Gargoyles, a Bastion, a Mawloc, and Biovores, all vie for the same points i'd be using for that Exocrine.

Also, has any testing been done in the new Codex, of Devilgants? Without Spores I know they're a trickier choice, but wonder if anyone has played with Outflanking in a big group of Devourer Gants, maybe we a few regular Gants to eat initial shots against them?

My experience with the exocrine, if you bring one...bring two.

Many opponents will venture into exocrine range for a shot at killing him...but no one will venture into dual exocrine range. It keeps you on the offensive.

Bring one, bring two instead.........isn't that the motto for lots of things

I can see the exocrine fairing a little better than a CC Carnifex. But for the points, depends on what other CC options you have.

I dont have my codex on me: but gants with toxin sacs, does that equal poisoned shots? Can we take a page from DE and shoot everything with poisoned shots?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Also, has any testing been done in the new Codex, of Devilgants? Without Spores I know they're a trickier choice, but wonder if anyone has played with Outflanking in a big group of Devourer Gants, maybe we a few regular Gants to eat initial shots against them?

I've run mixed units of Spinefist and Devourer Gaunts now in 3 games. In the first game they were amazingly effective. I had 2 squads of 10 Spinefist + 10 Devourer and they killed nearly 700 points between them. I was facing a space marine opponent who was kind enough to get into range.

In the 2nd game I had 15 Spinefist and 15 Devourer gaunts outflanking. They Demolished a squad of Immortals that I'm sure was far more expensive.

In the 3rd game I was horrifically unlucky with the outflank. My opponent was bunkered up in a corner, and they came in on the far table edge. And then once they came in he deep struck a unit of Crises Suits with 2 flamers a piece and fried 1/2 of them. None-the-less they were able to kill the suits and a squad of about 15 kroot.

In my next game, I am going to try to Outflank two groups of 30 mixed gaunts and see what happens.

Using the spinefist as a wound back for my more expensive devourer gaunts has been more successful than my wildest imagination. However, I'm just not sure that relying on Devilgaunts as a major component of my offensive strategy is going to be smart in the long term. Carnifexes, Mawlocs, Biovores, Exocrines all seem more effective on paper. Getting Synapse to the outflanking gaunts is a problem.

Well, my other Heavy slot currently has three Dakkafexes in it, so its the other one/two heavy slots where i'm fiddling with options.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Well, my other Heavy slot currently has three Dakkafexes in it, so its the other one/two heavy slots where i'm fiddling with options.

So...dakkafex exo exo or dakkfex exo tyranno or dakkafex more fexes exo

Keep your heavies the same at the speed and durability levels.

So, dakkafex broods, how are people running them?
3 Dakkafices?
2 Dakkafices, 1 nakedfex to soak wounds?
Adrenal Glands or no Adrenal Glands?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I've gotta ask, as this thread has been invaluable thus far even just for getting me thinking, etc... as I build my new 'Nids collection...

... Why so little testing of the Exocrine? I've seen a few people talking about how he can be viable, but haven't seen extensive tactica on his use. I'm assuming it is just because he is a new model, and thus not everyone has them yet for experimentation-sake. That said, he seems like a volume of decent AP2 fire, good anti-infantry, can glance down decent side-armor.

I'm trying to give him a go, and hope to get some games in soon. Right now i'm liking 90% of my list, and it is usually just a few pieces i'm torn on.

Right now, a minimum unit of Gargoyles, a Bastion, a Mawloc, and Biovores, all vie for the same points i'd be using for that Exocrine.

Also, has any testing been done in the new Codex, of Devilgants? Without Spores I know they're a trickier choice, but wonder if anyone has played with Outflanking in a big group of Devourer Gants, maybe we a few regular Gants to eat initial shots against them?

The way I've run my Exocrine, so far, is behind a brood of 2 CC fexes, one or two zoans behind him, and a venomthrope behind them all marching up the board. I'd run dakkafex, but I'm a bit strapped for points.

I'm liking the idea of 5-man Genestealer squads to grab objectives; at least a pair to stick in reserves and grab the one or two that are in my backfield. 70 points for a scoring unit isn't awful, they can go to ground to grab a good cover save, and they're able to (potentially) wound most of the things in the game which gives some utility.

I'm also liking Trygon Primes. Big, ugly, and synapse where you want it. Maybe not *when* you want it, but being able to pop some synapse up where you're heading can help alleviate the need to stay bubbled up around a synapse node. They're non-scoring, but I think I like them better than a Tervigon for similar points.

Still in the air between the Harpy and Crone, but I think the Drool Cannon might be making me lean towards the Crone.

I'm thinking of starting out with a dakka flyrant, 60 Termagants, 30 Gargoyles, and a Trygon Prime as a core list and then playing around with other options from the codex to see what I really like. I figure dropping 90 bodies on the board for my opponent to deal with isn't a bad way to start. Heck, if I give the Termagants poison they're even a threat instead of merely a nuisance (of course that makes the cost jump from 420 to 540, but it may be worth it.)

I think we are going to be seeing FMC spam. This is going to be a base and then you can add in your own flavor.

-HQ: flyrants
-HQ: flyrants
-Troops: Tervigon
-Troop: 30 termagants
-Elite: Zoanthrope
-F.A: Hive Crone
-F.A: Hive Crone
-F.A: Hive Crone
-Heavy: Exocrine
-Heavy: Exocrine
-Heavy: Biovores

This gives you five FMC's and eight in total. People who think tervigons are bad really need to rethink their position. They are still one of the best troops in the game.

Has anyone been having much luck with raveners at all?

I've seen Jy mention them, but I haven't really seen any lists or reports showing what they are capable of