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 John Prins wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Drones count I believe.

Any Tau Sept unit should count.

They might well, but it's still not as good as if you just got the bonus all of the time. It wouldn't be too hard for an opponent to shoot one unit and charge another.

Clustering units also creates the problem of being multi-charged, or having enemies charge one unit and consolidate into another.

So overall it's nice, but I'm not sure if it's spectacular. There are some situations, like if you have a couple of really big suits hanging around, where charging your fire warriors could look pretty unappealing though - especially for people like characters. Nobody wants to see their fancy characters get gunned down by railgun fire.

Oh no's! Limitations on stuff that is super good?!?!?!? (ie. 5+ Overwatch) It's like GW doesn't want every T'au player to play the same Sept or something...

I think you were exactly right the first time that the T'au trait is wanting you to deploy in a big blob that maybe slowly pushes forward into the middle of the map. I mean, that's what For The Greater Good was doing all along, and now they're buffing Fire Warriors and nerfing the faster, short-ranged drones.

Anyone know if seekers are still one shot please?

Mandragola wrote:

 John Prins wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Drones count I believe.

Any Tau Sept unit should count.

They might well, but it's still not as good as if you just got the bonus all of the time. It wouldn't be too hard for an opponent to shoot one unit and charge another.

Clustering units also creates the problem of being multi-charged, or having enemies charge one unit and consolidate into another.

So overall it's nice, but I'm not sure if it's spectacular. There are some situations, like if you have a couple of really big suits hanging around, where charging your fire warriors could look pretty unappealing though - especially for people like characters. Nobody wants to see their fancy characters get gunned down by railgun fire.

My point is that it only takes 2 drones in one "unit" to get the buff. Most units come with extra drones that detach from their units. Therefore, so long as you have at least one drone nearby, you will always get the bonus. You don't need to have a big blob. And of course it's not as good as just on all the time, but just look at Mordians; they have to be in base to base contact or be within 6" of other vehicles as a vehicle. It's hardly unfair or even that noteworthy.

rtb02 wrote:
Anyone know if seekers are still one shot please?

Hunter killers are so as the tau equivalent I think they will be.

Mandragola wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Not exactly. Tau Sept overwatch goes on a 5+ period. For the Greater Good, when other units w/in 6" of a unit firing overwatch can also fire overwatch at the same target also now hits on a 5+ for Tau Sept.

 Mantle wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
Anyone know if seekers are still one shot please?

Hunter killers are so as the tau equivalent I think they will be.

Difficult as hellstorm missiles on the stormraven used to be but now aren't. Leaves the skyray in an interesting position.

I don't mind either way but would like to know. Maybe the skyray has a seeker array or similar akin to the ravens?...

Fire warriors are gonna be lethal and at -1point per model getting 60 of them into a list is gonna be easy and still leave plenty of room for all the extras.

8th is all about numbers and 180 st 5 shots at 21” is deadly by any standard!

 Fenris-77 wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Not exactly. Tau Sept overwatch goes on a 5+ period. For the Greater Good, when other units w/in 6" of a unit firing overwatch can also fire overwatch at the same target also now hits on a 5+ for Tau Sept.

That isn't correct.



They always hit on a 5+ when using For the Greater Good. But it only applies to overwatch when they are within 6" of a friendly T'au Sept unit.

This is probably fine, especially if drones count as T'au sept units. You'll tend to be bunched up anyway.

It certainly looks to me like fire warriors will be a better option than gun drones now anyway. If FWs are 7 points and drones are 12 then the warriors (with their better BS) will land more hits/point. You also get a 35 point troop unit, which is very cheap. Overall I think it will be pretty easy to get the bonus for another unit within 6", because you'll have so many units - indeed it will probably be easy to field a brigade if you want to. Getting the bonus for having finished deploying first will not be so easy though!

Mandragola wrote:

 Fenris-77 wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Not exactly. Tau Sept overwatch goes on a 5+ period. For the Greater Good, when other units w/in 6" of a unit firing overwatch can also fire overwatch at the same target also now hits on a 5+ for Tau Sept.

That isn't correct.



They always hit on a 5+ when using For the Greater Good. But it only applies to overwatch when they are within 6" of a friendly T'au Sept unit.

This is probably fine, especially if drones count as T'au sept units. You'll tend to be bunched up anyway.

It certainly looks to me like fire warriors will be a better option than gun drones now anyway. If FWs are 7 points and drones are 12 then the warriors (with their better BS) will land more hits/point. You also get a 35 point troop unit, which is very cheap. Overall I think it will be pretty easy to get the bonus for another unit within 6", because you'll have so many units - indeed it will probably be easy to field a brigade if you want to. Getting the bonus for having finished deploying first will not be so easy though!

regardless of any modifiers leaves me some very high hopes for orks. It sets a precedent for modifiers not mattering; exactly what alot of ork players want.

That's correct about the overwatch. That's what I get for posting while I'm trying to work. You only need units in pairs to make it apply to everything though, so it's not exactly a huge hindrance.

 davou wrote:

regardless of any modifiers leaves me some very high hopes for orks. It sets a precedent for modifiers not mattering; exactly what alot of ork players want.

Modifiers have never counted for overwatch the reason for explicitly stating it here is Tau units not being charged being allowed to overwatch by another name and some people presumably claiming to hit modifications cout in that instance.
I would hope there is no way thew are going to hand out ignore to hits modifiers army wide after the brokenness that is reaper spam.

Ice_can wrote:

 davou wrote:

regardless of any modifiers leaves me some very high hopes for orks. It sets a precedent for modifiers not mattering; exactly what alot of ork players want.

Modifiers have never counted for overwatch the reason for explicitly stating it here is Tau units not being charged being allowed to overwatch by another name and some people presumably claiming to hit modifications cout in that instance.
I would hope there is no way thew are going to hand out ignore to hits modifiers army wide after the brokenness that is reaper spam.

oh damn, I thought modifiers like stealth suits have negatively affected overwatch

 davou wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

 davou wrote:

regardless of any modifiers leaves me some very high hopes for orks. It sets a precedent for modifiers not mattering; exactly what alot of ork players want.

Modifiers have never counted for overwatch the reason for explicitly stating it here is Tau units not being charged being allowed to overwatch by another name and some people presumably claiming to hit modifications cout in that instance.
I would hope there is no way thew are going to hand out ignore to hits modifiers army wide after the brokenness that is reaper spam.

oh damn, I thought modifiers like stealth suits have negatively affected overwatch

Nope. Neither positive nor negative modifiers have an effect on overwatch.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Nope. Neither positive nor negative modifiers have an effect on overwatch.

I'm pretty sure MWBD affects overwatch, or I watched someone play it wrong.

 Grimgold wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Nope. Neither positive nor negative modifiers have an effect on overwatch.

I'm pretty sure MWBD affects overwatch, or I watched someone play it wrong.

It shouldn't. The Overwatch rule says it only hits on a 6 regardless of modifiers unless specified otherwise.
MWBD does not specify that it affects overwatch.

 Grimgold wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


Nope. Neither positive nor negative modifiers have an effect on overwatch.

I'm pretty sure MWBD affects overwatch, or I watched someone play it wrong.

That person played it wrong. Overwatch is always on a 6 regardless of any modifiers unless, like that Tau rule above, it specifically effects overwatch.

On topic, some really good news on the points drops. Crisis suits remain blah but my big and medium suits are happy as noise marine on a pleasure planet.

 davou wrote:

Mandragola wrote:

 Fenris-77 wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if access to the special characters makes it worth actually playing T'au. That 5+ overwatch in particular sounds pretty interesting, though I notice it seems to require that you are near another unit for it to work. It's a shame if you are being asked to clump up your Tau in one spot and stay there, because that's exactly the opposite of all the fluff.

Not exactly. Tau Sept overwatch goes on a 5+ period. For the Greater Good, when other units w/in 6" of a unit firing overwatch can also fire overwatch at the same target also now hits on a 5+ for Tau Sept.

That isn't correct.



They always hit on a 5+ when using For the Greater Good. But it only applies to overwatch when they are within 6" of a friendly T'au Sept unit.

This is probably fine, especially if drones count as T'au sept units. You'll tend to be bunched up anyway.

It certainly looks to me like fire warriors will be a better option than gun drones now anyway. If FWs are 7 points and drones are 12 then the warriors (with their better BS) will land more hits/point. You also get a 35 point troop unit, which is very cheap. Overall I think it will be pretty easy to get the bonus for another unit within 6", because you'll have so many units - indeed it will probably be easy to field a brigade if you want to. Getting the bonus for having finished deploying first will not be so easy though!

regardless of any modifiers leaves me some very high hopes for orks. It sets a precedent for modifiers not mattering; exactly what alot of ork players want.

Typhus has had that ability on his Destroyer Hive (works like a pistol rules-wise) ever since the 8th edition indexes launched. Always hits on a 5+ and can't be modified in any way in both the "regular" shooting phase and overwatch.

rtb02 wrote:

 Mantle wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
Anyone know if seekers are still one shot please?

Hunter killers are so as the tau equivalent I think they will be.

Difficult as hellstorm missiles on the stormraven used to be but now aren't. Leaves the skyray in an interesting position.

I don't mind either way but would like to know. Maybe the skyray has a seeker array or similar akin to the ravens?...

Multiple use missiles are almost exclusively on fliers and also don't forget, if the seekers are one use then you can dump all of them as opposed to multi use where you would probably be stuck at one or two shots a turn.

So the 3cp stratagem... by RAW, you can activate the stratagem after something like a strike squad wounds a target, and then shot to that target with one of the two smart misiles systems of a Stormsurge for example... and then fire all the other weapons of the Stormsurge to different targets, and all those shots receive +1 to wound.
I'm correct?

 Galas wrote:
So the 3cp stratagem... by RAW, you can activate the stratagem after something like a strike squad wounds a target, and then shot to that target with one of the two smart misiles systems of a Stormsurge for example... and then fire all the other weapons of the Stormsurge to different targets, and all those shots receive +1 to wound.
I'm correct?

damn looks like it

 BrookM wrote:

 Therion wrote:
So, long story short, the new Tau suck? Highlights:
-Sept traits suck
-WL traits suck
-Relics suck
-Stratagems suck
-No allies (Obviously)
-No psychic powers (Obviously)
-Points costs didn’t drop enough

Good luck fighting for the jumbo placements at tournaments

Gamgee, is that you?

Hah, I too, have been looking for ridiculous posts with low post count.


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 Galas wrote:
So the 3cp stratagem... by RAW, you can activate the stratagem after something like a strike squad wounds a target, and then shot to that target with one of the two smart misiles systems of a Stormsurge for example... and then fire all the other weapons of the Stormsurge to different targets, and all those shots receive +1 to wound.
I'm correct?

Ugg, yea - looks like a FAQ to be had there.

I finally have a use for my Ynaari Banshees.

Well this basically confirmed the leaks... not much else to say...

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
So the 3cp stratagem... by RAW, you can activate the stratagem after something like a strike squad wounds a target, and then shot to that target with one of the two smart misiles systems of a Stormsurge for example... and then fire all the other weapons of the Stormsurge to different targets, and all those shots receive +1 to wound.
I'm correct?

Ugg, yea - looks like a FAQ to be had there.

Nah. Read it again:


You get the +1 to Wound rolls when targeting that specific unit. There's some wiggle room of course for people trying to be cheesy gits but anyone who argues that it's "vague" is looking for that wiggle room and needs to be dreadsocked.

Nope. "You can add 1 to wound rolls for any other T'au Sept units". But those to wound rolls don't need to be agaisnt the unit you are using the stratagem into it. If the unit has more than one weapon it can totally shot one weapon to that target, the other weapons to other targets, and all of them receive +1 to wound.

I'm not gonna use this that way, of course, I agree with you the RAI is clear. But this will be FAQ'ed or people will be abuse it for free +1 to Wound.

And I won't keep going, because this is not YMDC

meep

Possible they just missed it but everything having free reign with split fire makes it work that way.

They'll have to change it to "target the same enemy unit with all it's available weapons" if it's not what they intended.

Or just FAQ it to say "receive the +1 to wound with any weapons fired at the same target". No point is crimping split fire when you don't have to - just keep the bonus to wound on the target unit like we all know is the RAI.