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RazorEdge wrote:
via excellent sources on Faeit 212
Hi Gary,
a little statement about Adeptus Titanicus.

Whatever People tell, AT will not de discontinued. It's the best running
specialist game, even more than Bloodbowl.


Well...seeing faeit is not below inventing up rumours from "reliable sources" to draw clicks for the ad revenue...yea right. Give me more reliable source tyvm.


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Saaka wrote:
I think the AT models are the absolute best GW is making right now so I always found the rumor of it getting axed hard to believe. Especially when they can so easily upscale any models they make for it to full scale resin versions. There’s still plenty of room for the game to grow, be it with variant patterns of existing titans, new titans or knights, corrupted titans and knights, or xenos titans


Easy as in design it from nearly scratch It's about 80-90% redone from scratch when they turn model to new scale.


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 Overread wrote:
Far as I recall we never heard in the past that Epic wasn't profitable; nor Warmaster. It's just that neither was profitable enough compared ot other things the company could invest in.



Well...for it to be non-profitable GW would have had to green light with ASSUMPTION that they will be losing cash. I seriously doubt "yeah I know we are going to lose money but go ahead" is what GW bosses would say so it's pretty safe to say they were at least planning SOME profit if sales go as per their expectations.

And then they sold 400% of their own expectations.

So...yeah. I think it is safe to say it was profitable.

But not Space Marine level of profitable. For Kirby everything needs to sell as much space marines. That's why GW decided to kill FB that was top-3 selling miniature game when AOS was greenlighted.

And worse...there was even danger that it might reduce marine sales! The horror! That can't be done. Space Marines Is The Hobby.

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I think some of Kirby's polices were sensible in the early days. He did straighten the company finances out when GW wasn't anywhere near as flush with cash as they are now.

It's just I feel that he had a very singular approach that didn't evolve over time. Furthermore as time went on the upper management team became increasingly distanced from the hobby, the customers and the general fanbase. "we don't need marketing research" because all they were looking at were the sales numbers. Which without context just said "marines marines more marines!" and "boutique models".



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chaos0xomega wrote:
How much more life does Blood Bowl have in it? Surely they have to be running out of teams and concepts to release by now?


Bare minimum; a year and a half or so for the full releases for the existing Teams of Legend and that's without the likely addition of 2 more Chaos 'Chosen of' teams and probably something to replace Slann/Kislev (which may end up just being an official Kislev roster). Plus whatever other new teams they can come up with (4 of the past 5 teams released have been new) and the inevitable addition of a Dungeonbowl expansion.

There's plenty more of Nuffle to milk yet.
   
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Plus even when they've released "everything" they can go back and re-release the starting teams with new designs.

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RazorEdge wrote:
via a reliable source on Faeit 212

there exist plans to merge AT and AI into a Game like Epic but Covid and
the caused release backlog with all it's issues slow this down (same with
Gothic or other specialist games).

There're exist also plans in the drawer for expansion(s) to introduce
airplanes, tanks and infantry as rudimentary support options (does someone
remember that PC Game for AT?) but this is possible halted.


Yeah, that one needs a pile of salt.

It just doesn't fit with anything the developers have said in past interviews.

They've strongly maintained that AT is a game of Titans, and they have no interest in doing Epic again.

While I'd love to see Epic return, it isn't their plan.
   
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 schoon wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
via a reliable source on Faeit 212

there exist plans to merge AT and AI into a Game like Epic but Covid and
the caused release backlog with all it's issues slow this down (same with
Gothic or other specialist games).

There're exist also plans in the drawer for expansion(s) to introduce
airplanes, tanks and infantry as rudimentary support options (does someone
remember that PC Game for AT?) but this is possible halted.


Yeah, that one needs a pile of salt.

It just doesn't fit with anything the developers have said in past interviews.

They've strongly maintained that AT is a game of Titans, and they have no interest in doing Epic again.

While I'd love to see Epic return, it isn't their plan.


If some people are willing to not trust Faeit212, why then are they willing to trust developers, when gaming developers (in all forms of gaming, not just GW) have constantly been shown to either lie, misdirect or stretch the truth? In my view the dev team is no more trustworthy than the Faeit212 team, or random Anon. Heck, I remember when people were saying the leaks with all the BT and Custodes stuff were total BS, yet here we are, with 100% of that rumor thus far true. Who knows what the company is thinking from one month to the other. Heck! 2018 feels like a decade ago, yet it's only been three years.


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 PetitionersCity wrote:
The typos are also weird, but we all make them


I don't know, looks pretty consistent for a GW codex/battletome writer.

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The statement, that they never will make Epic again or expand AT with other Stuff like Warplanes is invalid when you look that some Titans in the Game have AA-Weapons and the Design Studio rescaled Legio Astartes Tanks to 8mm.

It's like:

"We don't plan to build a Wall"
"This rumour is a lie, Party A would never constitue a gouverment with Party B"

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GW generally doesn't pre-release info until something is in the bag ready to go. The only time they've broken with that was with Old World and that's an extremely special case.



Furthermore specialist games (esp AT) were gambles on seeing how they'd do. They've generally been seen to do really well so its worked; but GW has been careful to not promise anything that they don't deliver on.


So yep even if they really want to do epic; even if they are laying ground work like AA guns on titans; even if they've got AT and AN sharing a scale along with terrain features - they won't admit to Epic being on the cards till its on the cards ready to ship.


Because you never know something like a Global Pandemic could hit and put plans back 5 years; Old World could sell like a storm and put back side production another 5 years; Dave could trip whilst carrying the computer all the epic stuff is stored on in an office move and send it flying down the stairs and destroy all the work...... setting the project back 6 years


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 Overread wrote:
GW generally doesn't pre-release info until something is in the bag ready to go. The only time they've broken with that was with Old World and that's an extremely special case.



Furthermore specialist games (esp AT) were gambles on seeing how they'd do. They've generally been seen to do really well so its worked; but GW has been careful to not promise anything that they don't deliver on.


So yep even if they really want to do epic; even if they are laying ground work like AA guns on titans; even if they've got AT and AN sharing a scale along with terrain features - they won't admit to Epic being on the cards till its on the cards ready to ship.


Because you never know something like a Global Pandemic could hit and put plans back 5 years; Old World could sell like a storm and put back side production another 5 years; Dave could trip whilst carrying the computer all the epic stuff is stored on in an office move and send it flying down the stairs and destroy all the work...... setting the project back 6 years



Without harping on it too much because I don't want to derail the thread, but yes. It hit me recently when I went to the grocery store and saw ground beef at 9USD per pound alongside a sign that mandates one package per customer due to national shortages. This dang virus has really touched everything and I wouldn't at all be surprised if it takes 3-5 years for companies (GW included) to get back into the swing of things.

I personally, would really like a revamp of 30K. IMO Apocalypse was never well executed in normal 40K because the size of the models just made collecting, transport and set-up/play a nightmare. I got to play it once and after the fourth hour I was so over it and we'd barely made it half way through turn 1. But something like epic 6MM scale could capture the same feel without having to spend a weekend on a 3-4 turn game! And I think there is a bigger market for such a game than probably GW or most players realize. No data for that, it's just a feeling from 7 years worth of hobby talk online and irl.

Well, it's in their hands anyway. They'll either make it or they won't.
   
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Adding AA guns to titans isn't likely intended to hint at epic, but to keep consistency with the 28mm versions at first, and fidelity to the original epic design ideas. The beetle back warlord came with carapace multilaser mounts, and the emperor had a bunch of point defense artillery and battlecannons. The 28mm warlord and newer designs have simply been integrating appropriate point defense loadouts.

I do wish that if the warhound and reaver ever get remastered that they would add some ardex mounts.
   
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So I caved, bought one and found this. Sigh...

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Acastus

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Are the points on the back correct at least?

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Are the points on the back correct at least?


190 for an additional knight. Auxiliary rules listed as well. Basically, they've gone up 10 points to include for the Blessed Autosimulacra

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To anyone that has the Loyalist Legios book,
How much background information is there on the legions and houses? I've got one of the other books and all it has is a paragraph of background on each legion and then the traits, stratagems, and wargear rules. the knights are about a quarter page and the qualities rules. Is this all the background that the listing on GW site refers to?
   
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Full page of fluff for each entry.
   
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Can someone tell me when and where exactly the transfer sheets will pop up for preorder? Looks like indys can't get them?

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can someone tell me when and where exactly the transfer sheets will pop up for preorder? Looks like indys can't get them?

Without knowing your region, I can't give an exact time.

But you'll be able to see them under the "Preorders" section of the webstore...which annoyingly is locked down now because of prep for Chalnath and has the queue system up.
   
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 zedmeister wrote:
So I caved, bought one and found this. Sigh...




Man, it's disappointing they couldn't fix the points on these things. 210pts is just way too low given the main weapon being a 4 shot S9 3 to 5 inch blast weapon. It's cool that they added simulacrum, the volkites seem like an after thought. The biggest problem is there are now 2 sets of rules for the asterius because the other acastus terminals have both.

   
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When it comes to the Acastus, here is a recommendation for the magna and conversion cannons; Reduce the attack dice by half( 2 dice ), but increase the strength by +1.

Basically each pair of cannons( a pair for each arm ) work in a coordinated strike fashion( +1 strength for each additional cannon-weapon ) to effectively make a stronger, single cannon. This results in less blast rolls( too many are soul destroying for many players ) and also gives the target a break by not being hit by so many blast templates. It would be 1-2 blasts instead of 1-4.

The paired trait seems grey-area for weapons with less than 4 attacks, but with only a single dice attack then just apply the obscured rules on page 33 and leave it at that. We're using the cannons in a coordinated strike fashion anyway, and if a target is obscured then modifers are common sense. Walter will be the only one around here who cares about the rules in this case*.

Anyway, give it a try and see how it goes. The Acastus will punch a little harder but not as often.


* Actually, Mr Sobchak has a gun. Maybe we should call the whole thing off...

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 Crablezworth wrote:
Man, it's disappointing they couldn't fix the points on these things. 210pts is just way too low given the main weapon being a 4 shot S9 3 to 5 inch blast weapon. It's cool that they added simulacrum, the volkites seem like an after thought. The biggest problem is there are now 2 sets of rules for the asterius because the other acastus terminals have both.


Isn't it just. They could drop the blast and have 4 dice variable strength depending on range. That'd do it pretty much


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So, hands up those of us who'll ignore this bizarre limiting of weapons?

Nice snip at the top of Tempestus:

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Honestly, it's pathetic. It's hard enough to swallow the fluff about the warmaster, but now there's a "second" warmaster that can't swap weapons with the first warmaster, did the mechanicum keep this second variant from the emperor too? Like I'm impressed the idiots running this game even had the foresight to give the chainsword bypass. Still though, this is a sore point for the game, and totally absurd in a game which's main selling point is the modular nature of the kits, like they have the room for magnets on this one too... what exactly is the point if it won't ever be swapping its arms out? GW didn't have the balls to try this crap with the warlord kits, its just petty.

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That Inferno Cannon typo though... 7 shots at Str 3

Yeah right, get it together guys.

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Warmaster fluff is fine. Pretty basic and inoffensive. They've done way more egregious stuff in the past. What's so terrible about it for you and what would be so much better if you'd have written it?
   
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 Sherrypie wrote:
That Inferno Cannon typo though... 7 shots at Str 3

Yeah right, get it together guys.


It just feels like no one there even plays the damn game, sad.


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JWBS wrote:
Warmaster fluff is fine. Pretty basic and inoffensive. They've done way more egregious stuff in the past. What's so terrible about it for you and what would be so much better if you'd have written it?


Did they write seperate fluff the warlord boxes?

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I dunno. As far as I remember it was generic grimdark boilerplate stuff. "The Warmaster is an ancient and rare device of terrible power dating back from the earliest Crusade era times, first seen on planet X during the battle of Y" etc etc, that type of thing. Nothing especially jarring or embarrassing, from what I can recall. No ham-fisted retcon either.
   
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JWBS wrote:
I dunno. As far as I remember it was generic grimdark boilerplate stuff. "The Warmaster is an ancient and rare device of terrible power dating back from the earliest Crusade era times, first seen on planet X during the battle of Y" etc etc, that type of thing. Nothing especially jarring or embarrassing, from what I can recall. No ham-fisted retcon either.


It made no sense, it was a super secret titan that even the mechanicum barely spoke of, that was only on mars and it's creation is shrouded in mystery, but also, every legio has one. It's that secret. It honestly doesn't bother me, what bothers me is terrible choices made by the the ones running the design at gw affecting the quality and enjoyment of the game for increasingly arbitrary reasons. Having bad fluff isn't the end of the world until the choices affect the game. Especially aspects of the game that are fundamentally at its core.

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Right, but what's the alternative then? A detailed retcon that fully explains why there were no Warmasters before but there are now? How would you do that, exactly? I mean, apart from the widely acclaimed Primaris™ retcon ofc. Isn't it just better to say "Yeah these things were originally made on planet Forgeworld Omega 6 but you haven't seen much of them (because they didn't exist up until now, it's a brand new miniature) but the model is pretty great so here's a short paragraph or two to give them some history, I know you're all gonna love this new mini" like they do with most other stuff? Far preferable to the weak ass full fat retcon style stuff they tried with the Primaris, really no comparison, the short and sweet method is safer and likely more palatable for most people too.
   
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 Crablezworth wrote:

The biggest problem is there are now 2 sets of rules for the asterius because the other acastus terminals have both.



Its a problem for players who converted their Porphyrions, but not for those who purchase the official Asterius model. But there are things to consider going forward...

As we've had the revised titan discount bundle with slim terminals, we might see a similar bundle for knights soon( maybe Christmas? ). If that includes slim terminals then it would make sense to update it to not include rules for a Forgeworld product that GW will no longer be supporting.

Also, it was mentioned in Defence of Ryza that Renegade knights will be covered in a future expansion; that would be an ideal time to update the current knight terminal set; perhaps this time it will be 2 Questoris, 2 Cerastus & 1 Acastus-Porphyrion. I have a feeling that a new expansion for Knights is next maybe along with expanded rules for freeblades? They also mentioned at one point the possibility that FW could release knight-world monsters...

Its fair to say that where Titan players now have a good amount of plastic titans to choose from, knights have only three and so its really high time for a new plastic knight such as the Armiger or Dominus. Maybe they might keep the current knight terminal set but replace the Acastus one with Armiger/Domius/Acastus?

Also - sorry to ramble on - but there is the case of the missing Rapier Scout Titan! Scout titans and Knights go together like peas and carrots so...the next expansion could possibly squeeze in the Rapier - especially if it enjoys melee combat like the knights.

Alas, I see nothing else in the crystal ball and will retire for the evening...
   
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I personally like the idea that the main reason it is a secret is just because the forge worlds want to keep them in their pocket. No, of course it's not a different class of titan that would be helpful fighting in the great crusade, it's just a nemesis warlord siege titan testbed. No reason to send them out when we are sending plenty of warlords and reivers already, and we/they are safer if they just stay at home.
   
 
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