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 Stormonu wrote:
Interestingly, the sale is only on the core game and not the supplement miniatures.

Probably, it's the sheer amount of physical space that huge excess of unsold core games take up. How else are they going to fund Wave 2?

 Albertorius wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Interestingly, the sale is only on the core game and not the supplement miniatures.

Wonder if the supplement boxes are selling decently as unseen for Battletech?

That could explain the destroids and the valks, but not the zentran stuff.

The officers battlepod is the Marauder unseen mech but I forget how the Zen stuff is packaged, were the normal battle pods sold separately from the officer?

The Marauder is an old favorite of mine because in the pre clan invasion days it was a monster with its two PPC's.

 vonjankmon wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
Interestingly, the sale is only on the core game and not the supplement miniatures.

Wonder if the supplement boxes are selling decently as unseen for Battletech?

That could explain the destroids and the valks, but not the zentran stuff.

The officers battlepod is the Marauder unseen mech but I forget how the Zen stuff is packaged, were the normal battle pods sold separately from the officer?

The Marauder is an old favorite of mine because in the pre clan invasion days it was a monster with its two PPC's.

The Btech Marauder is, sadly, half the size of the Glaug. I mean, it's the right shape, but...

Make it a marauder ii then

As for b-pods.....they were used loosely as the basis for the 3 ost-mechs, ostroc, ostol, and ostscout.

 jaymz wrote:
Make it a marauder ii then

As for b-pods.....they were used loosely as the basis for the 3 ost-mechs, ostroc, ostol, and ostscout.

Still twice as big. I've tried. It's entirely too big if you play with maps.

And yes, I'm quite aware of what became of the Regults in Btech, and those are even more out of scale, so even worse.

I just did up stats for them in alpha strike to be what they are and not unseen so....

More power to you . Personally, as I play on maps, they are too big for me. Maybe I'd think otherwise playing on scenery. As it is, well, I have enough actual 'mechs and destroids to not need them anyways ^^.

OTOH, I was actually thinking about statting the RRT minis for Mobile Suit Skirmish, as I believe they could work pretty well... (hell, one of the guys developing it has "macrossmartin" for handle and Misa Hayase as avatar, so... ).

Nice.

As for alpha...yeah it was fast and easy. Did up the entirety of robotech.

I play on scenery all the time now. Just used to it.


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Mind you I am playing flames of war or team Yankee most of the time so....

Some assembly this week

I wasn't aware that Robotech was set during WW2.

Yeah, I'm confused.

The scale looks way off too...

y'know, that would be an interesting take on Robotech. Rewind the timeline so the SDF-1 crashes on earth about 1939. Some of its tech gets stolen/adopted by the various Allies/Axis powers. At the height of the escalating war, the Zents show up, forcing mankind to unite. The SDF becomes a multinational force (ala Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato) thrown into the crucible of battle.

Like the Macross series, the SDF gets thrown into deep space. By the time they return to Earth, the war is over and an uneasy peace exists. The return of the SDF threatens this fragile peace - until the Zents return and attempt to decimate earth.

The SDF finally beats the Zents, but the Earth is decimated in the process. The remainder of the series is the forces of the SDF trying to put the world back together, and make it a better place, fighting the remnants of old earth powers and Zent rebels.

 Stormonu wrote:
y'know, that would be an interesting take on Robotech. Rewind the timeline so the SDF-1 crashes on earth about 1939. Some of its tech gets stolen/adopted by the various Allies/Axis powers. At the height of the escalating war, the Zents show up, forcing mankind to unite. The SDF becomes a multinational force (ala Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato) thrown into the crucible of battle.

Like the Macross series, the SDF gets thrown into deep space. By the time they return to Earth, the war is over and an uneasy peace exists. The return of the SDF threatens this fragile peace - until the Zents return and attempt to decimate earth.

The SDF finally beats the Zents, but the Earth is decimated in the process. The remainder of the series is the forces of the SDF trying to put the world back together, and make it a better place, fighting the remnants of old earth powers and Zent rebels.

That actually sounds interesting

I would watch that, actually. It sounds Final Countdown-ish.

Would we have Liza Minelli singing en Cabaret for Minmei? Hm, I might be OK with that if she's always announced by Alan Cumming.

The pic was follow up to my comment about mostly playing flames of war and team Yankee sorry guys lol

Oh, that would be a whole new form of awesome with a Macross/Robotech and WW2 mashup:








I need to back away now...

That first one has the stench of Michael Bay style Transformers. I like the more chibi last one though.

I'd totally watched a WW2 Robotech series.

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My 2018 goal is to paint my wave 1 minis before the wave 2 minis arrive. Should be easy-peesy.

When Scott blows a self-imposed Tuesday "Update" Deadline, does he typically follow up on a Tuesday (or a day or two after), or could the "Update" come at any time?

 Alpharius wrote:
When Scott blows a self-imposed Tuesday "Update" Deadline, does he typically follow up on a Tuesday (or a day or two after), or could the "Update" come at any time?

I suspect there is a trademarked palladium 80's RPG style d100 chart thumbtacked somewhere in the office on what to do when they don't feel like bothering to even try and cover their tracks. In all seriousness, it could be a few days to a few weeks to a few months now that Scotty has a pattern of delays and apparently has picked up (bad) habits from his remote co-"workers".

 Alpharius wrote:
When Scott blows a self-imposed Tuesday "Update" Deadline, does he typically follow up on a Tuesday (or a day or two after), or could the "Update" come at any time?

I now Morgan has followed this more closely, so he probably has fairly accurate numbers on hand, but off the cuff I'd say that it's a mix of sometimes the follow up isn't put off that long, but sometimes it's just skipped outright and not attended to for a week or two.

It's not a huge sample size, and I'd say the former was more prevalent early on in his tenure, whereas these days he seems more inclined to see a missed target as one to skip or ignore.

Much like Wayne before him, who would frequently have short updates that didn't say much, and apologize for both that and missing expected targets, it seems sensible for Scott to just move to monthly updates, if he intends to keep to them on a regular schedule at all.

When you go half a year with almost nothing to show for the alleged work behind the scenes, maybe it'd be valuable to better conceal how little is actually happening behind the scenes.

When your non-updates are just reminding people every two weeks that this gakshow is ongoing, it might be time for a change of plan.

(not that monthly non-updates would be much better, but it's half as many reminders of this mess, and fewer reasons to have to apologize for missed non-updates, so that's a straight up win)

Have you guys checked out Mobile Suit Skirmish - a game set in and using Gundam models?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/748227.page

Not sure if there's an East Coast/West Coast piloted mecha suit rivalry that means Robotech guys and Gundam guys can't get along, but it is worth a look!

Multiple scales supported (I think!) and all of the models are...already available?

Yeah, like Forar said, there's not enough data, or consistency to make a pattern.

This is the third one. And it isn't resolved yet.
The previous (second one) was close enough to two weeks late with no prior notice.
The initial one (first one) was a week late, but differed by having a "Be Back Later" post put up on time, though even the timeframe on that was off (he said later that week, and it was the following week).

Two completed data points don't give any forecast potential.

It could be this coming week (i=i), establishing a monthly Update as the new standard (not something I'd be averse to if there's no more information than what we were getting).

It could be the following week (i=i+1), as he slowly gets more and more Kevin-ish.

It could be the week after that (i=i*2), as he goes into an exponential spiral of not giving a gak about the project, that quite a few backers have succumbed to. There's still a lot of outrage, but there's also some absent (or infrequent) names.

Or, it could just be, like Forar said, a Wayne-esque "ehh, whenever the feth I feel like it, it's not like Kevin will care."

I think the latter is the most likely one.

EDIT : The latest PBWU is up. As expected, no mention of RRT in any meaningful way, no mention of Scott's absence. The only thing of note regarding RRT is Kevin wants someone to host a tournament at the POH. It's hidden deep in the "wanting people to host every other game line", but it's something that only comes about because of Kevin's excessive need to namecheck all of his licenses. A "We need people to host sessions for all our game lines", and he wouldn't have needed to mention it. But Kevin loves him some registered trademarks bs.

Also, PB are going to Adepticon again to "chat and sign books". Not, apparently, to run an event, at a pretty much miniature/wargame-specific convention.

Finally, in news that won't shock anyone, none of the four books slated for a January release just five weeks ago, are going to make it. Now two have been kicked to February, the third to March, and Disavowed has been... umm... disavowed. Completely removed from the schedule. Now, whether that's intentional, or Kevin fething up the copypasta, who knows.

 Alpharius wrote:
Have you guys checked out Mobile Suit Skirmish - a game set in and using Gundam models?

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/748227.page

Not sure if there's an East Coast/West Coast piloted mecha suit rivalry that means Robotech guys and Gundam guys can't get along, but it is worth a look!

Multiple scales supported (I think!) and all of the models are...already available?

All the Robotech folks are just pissed that they haven’t gotten new cartoons in 30 years.

Oddly enough, I’ve a huge collection of Gundam mechs - but have only watched a handful of Endless Waltz episodes. I feel like without the background of having seen these things in action, I don’t much “get into” wanting to do a game.

As for Scott, I agree the updates probably ought to go to monthly, but it’d be a lot more helpful if they contained some progress or substance.

Finally, I WANT THAT TRANSFORMING MITCHELL BOMBER!!!

How many people do you think would be needed to sign a petition for the owners of Adepticon to take notice and drop PB from their line up, 1000, 5000 or 10,000 signatures!?

 Original Timmy wrote:
How many people do you think would be needed to sign a petition for the owners of Adepticon to take notice and drop PB from their line up, 1000, 5000 or 10,000 signatures!?

None.

The only way Adepticon would remove PB from the lineup, is if there was solid evidence that not doing so would hurt their bottom line more than removing them. A petition, especially an online petition, is meaningless in that regard.

Because it would have to be people (and advertisers) willing to attend Adepticon, that refuse to do so explicitly because of Palladium's attendance. And I can't think that'd be more than a handful (and I mean that literally, five or less actual people), that would make that decision. People who would be going simply aren't going to cancel the decision to go to Adepticon, just because PB have a small booth there (that probably loses PB money overall).

So why should Adepticon care about a petition that is 95+% people who weren't going anyway, and the remaining percentage are mostly people that are going regardless of what management do?

I wonder if Palladium's response that first year when they were called out for not supporting their new minis game at conventions in general and adepticon specifically was to sign a multiyear booth deal paid for with the robotech slush fund. Does adepticon offer that to exhibitors? I just can't see why they keep going there year after year when they obviously don't care and have nothing new to show other than to keep up the pretense (poorly) like with the "updates".

 warboss wrote:
I wonder if Palladium's response that first year when they were called out for not supporting their new minis game at conventions in general and adepticon specifically was to sign a multiyear booth deal paid for with the robotech slush fund. Does adepticon offer that to exhibitors? I just can't see why they keep going there year after year when they obviously don't care and have nothing new to show other than to keep up the pretense (poorly) like with the "updates".

It being pointless was what I was thinking when I saw they were going again. If you're shopping RRT (running events, selling stock, introducing new works), that's fair enough. But going with nothing new to release in three full years, and not hosting/sponsoring any events, just seems like a massive waste of time and money. You might make some money on the RPG's, but I can't see it covering costs. Of course, it'd help if they used Kickstarter funds to attend (which I would argue is misappropriation regardless), but then claimed RPG profits as a separate income stream (so the money goes back into general revenue rather than Kickstarter funds. Because that's how low my opinion is of Kevin is. There's very little that would shock me about how this project is being mismanaged. Hopefully if the courts get involved, they'll see through any PB bs.

Anyways, we know 2014 had Ninja Division in attendance, but no Palladium presence.
We know 2015 was the "big push", with all hands on deck. Jeff Burke was even there!
But it looks like 2016 and 2017 were just the B-team (Wayne Smith, Chuck Walton and Jeff Ruiz in 2016, and what looks to be the same again in 2017 (with Ruiz looking unenthusiastic), with volunteer Dan Rains doing demo duty.)

So at least Kevin knows it's not worth his time. Or he's not being honored as a "special guest".

BTW, I don't see him attending this time either.

I know that with the small, medium, and larger conventions I work with, it's common practice (with the one company who runs them all) to offer companies at one year's event first dibs on space for next year. I'm not saying everyone does it that way, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was common; knock a little off the fee to guarantee a solid number of returns and not have to worry if next year will be a ghost town, or fight to fill booth space until the last minute.

Which is to say that as long as they're signing the paperwork and putting down the deposit, I suspect that little of the existing controversy is likely to get them shown the door officially.

That said, I'm with Morgan in that I'm curious what the exchange is like on that. As I said, I've worked some small scale events. I know what it's like to have a booth fee be measured as a fraction of what we pay for larger events, but then to also discover that the attendance is also marginal, and the sales are minimal. At the end of the day you don't want to lug piles of product (be they chocolates, books, or dusty RRT sets) out to a venue, set it up, and have multiple people sitting on their hands for most of the day. There can be wiggle room in making an event worthwhile, even if the sales barely break even against materials and booth costs, as long as the networking is substantial (which can be a fuzzy thing, but since my friend does wedding cakes, one good contact can make up for a gakky show pretty handily).

Basically, if you're only paying $200 for a booth (hypothetically, I have no idea what Adepticon booths cost), only making like $500 is likely a giant waste of time. Maybe they sell a couple dozen books to people with nostalgia for the company, or a few RRT kits to Battletech players, and it balances out, I don't know, I've never been, but that's the kind of math to work out behind the scenes.

Some events seem to get them onboard just by having a nod thrown Kevin's way, as was shown in the past when PB made a big deal of attending shows that had an attendance history measured in the hundreds or thousands, compared to the hundreds of thousands (million+?) that a show like Gencon generates.

Very much a 'medium fish in a little pond' versus a 'little fish in a giant pond' situation.

Not that this really means anything, but as someone who has been volunteering at conventions for the last half a decade or so, it's something that I have a little experience with.