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 Albertorius wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The pricing on loose weapon sprues is so outrageous they can't possibly be seen as a positive.

Compared to them not being available at all, though?

No, not even then. GW prices are already stupid high as it is, we don't really need DLC on top of it.

Particularly DLC that they only sell direct with no possible discounts.

Sorry, but I need to challenge you describing this as DLC, because I really don’t think that can be justified.

Is it an add on to another kit? Yes. But, consider the context here. These simply aren’t weapons available to the basic Legion Tactical Squad. Rather, they’re weapons for specific specialist squads. So they’re not something we can reasonably say should’ve be packaged in with the 20 man units.

The alternative, given those squads must have uniform equipment loadouts would be a set for each type of squad - which by no means would be comparatively cheaper, or potentially boxes of 10 Marines, with say, 3 types of Special Weapon, with two variants to cover all options. You’re still buying exactly the same content that way, but if you want just a single 10 Man squad, but all the weapon options? You can do that the way they released them.

Selling them as they do? Blob of Tactical Blu-Tak, or getting handy with magnets, and you can field a wide variety of units from game to game, off the back of just two purchases, rather than having to buy a Single Box or more.

So…it’s not DLC. At all.

MDG, we're talking about how Titans, and soon Leviathans, come with only half the stuff in their unit entry and the other half is DLC.

Ka'bandha has arrived!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/ka-bandha-daemon-general-of-signus-2022?utm_campaign=FW_15th_July_Ka_Bandha_&utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_content=&utm_term=

 lord_blackfang wrote:
MDG, we're talking about how Titans, and soon Leviathans, come with only half the stuff in their unit entry and the other half is DLC.

Yes, but you have a choice of two sets to buy, so you buy the set containing the options you want, the extra sprue being available then gives an option if you want to get into magnetising etc. without having to buy a second full kit, but I imagine a lot of people will build for a specific load out. They could have stuck everything in one box but then the price would go up as there's an extra sprue in there, which would mean people would be forced to pay for a bunch of options that they may not want.

Theres an absolute ton of options and it looks like you get enough to dual wield the melee weapons on the leviathan kit. I really don't see the issue. I'd rather have the optional kits and the weapon sprue option than having to buy a whole kit with EVERY possible combination and being forced to pay for an extra sprue to be honest. It also makes it easy for people to gear up the forgeworld dreads with a full suite of weapons far cheaper than buying resin ones or individual plastic ones off bits resellers would be.

 Daemonslave wrote:
Ka'bandha has arrived!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/ka-bandha-daemon-general-of-signus-2022?utm_campaign=FW_15th_July_Ka_Bandha_&utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_content=&utm_term=

AUD$495?

They must think we're stupid or something...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The pricing on loose weapon sprues is so outrageous they can't possibly be seen as a positive.

Compared to them not being available at all, though?

No, not even then. GW prices are already stupid high as it is, we don't really need DLC on top of it.

Particularly DLC that they only sell direct with no possible discounts.

Sorry, but I need to challenge you describing this as DLC, because I really don’t think that can be justified.

Is it an add on to another kit? Yes. But, consider the context here. These simply aren’t weapons available to the basic Legion Tactical Squad. Rather, they’re weapons for specific specialist squads. So they’re not something we can reasonably say should’ve be packaged in with the 20 man units.

The alternative, given those squads must have uniform equipment loadouts would be a set for each type of squad - which by no means would be comparatively cheaper, or potentially boxes of 10 Marines, with say, 3 types of Special Weapon, with two variants to cover all options. You’re still buying exactly the same content that way, but if you want just a single 10 Man squad, but all the weapon options? You can do that the way they released them.

Selling them as they do? Blob of Tactical Blu-Tak, or getting handy with magnets, and you can field a wide variety of units from game to game, off the back of just two purchases, rather than having to buy a Single Box or more.

So…it’s not DLC. At all.

Also, ebay exists, so my very expensive 10 plasma guns also nets me a bunch of other support weapons I can sell to others on ebay, probably making all my money back, or I can be the buyer and instead just buy my 10 plasma guns at probably a very reasonable price.

These weapons packs are actually pretty great tbh

 lord_blackfang wrote:
MDG, we're talking about how Titans, and soon Leviathans, come with only half the stuff in their unit entry and the other half is DLC.

Exactly so.

It’s….still not DLC. You want a shooty Leviathan? Buy that kit. Fighty? Buy that kit.

Bit of both? No need to buy both kits.

Remember the size of the weapons on these fellas is pretty large, so expecting the shooty one to double up each gun in the base kit seems….optimistic.

And, from what we’ve seen, the kits do seem to be built with easy magnetisation in mind, easing things considerably for those who want maximum flexibility for minimum purchase.

Also keep in mind that prior, you had to buy each chassis and each weapon separately. In resin.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s….still not DLC. You want a shooty Leviathan? Buy that kit. Fighty? Buy that kit.

Bit of both? No need to buy both kits.

Remember the size of the weapons on these fellas is pretty large, so expecting the shooty one to double up each gun in the base kit seems….optimistic.

And, from what we’ve seen, the kits do seem to be built with easy magnetisation in mind, easing things considerably for those who want maximum flexibility for minimum purchase.

Also keep in mind that prior, you had to buy each chassis and each weapon separately. In resin.

"It was worse before" doesn't equte to "it's good now", you know.

Let's see how the sprues are laid out and billed and then we'll be able to say. But what 's true, currently, is that these new dreads can't double up of anything except apparently leviathan fists.

As to it being big... is it somehow bigger than a Predator or a Kratos? Those seem to be better in the weapons department, for some reason. Is the contemptor as big as the Leviathan, somehow? Because that one has the same fething problem too...

Aaaand…no one has disputed that.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Aaaand…no one has disputed that.

You seem to be disputing that they couldn't do it any other way.

They could have. They just decided not to. No need to justify anything, you know. It's just what it is.

I'd justify it by saying that if it had all the options it would be too expensive but then instead of complaining that one box didn't have all the options (which very few kits have might I add) you'd be complaining about it being too expensive.
Why be happy that this will be far cheaper and easier to build/paint than the FW one when it isn't 100% perfect.

 Gert wrote:
I'd justify it by saying that if it had all the options it would be too expensive but then instead of complaining that one box didn't have all the options (which very few kits have might I add) you'd be complaining about it being too expensive.
Why be happy that this will be far cheaper and easier to build/paint than the FW one when it isn't 100% perfect.

Sure, given you know what I'd say then, of course you can retort like that. And sure, it will be cheaper, this is GW after all, they strive to make stuff affordable, its all they think about.

Sure.

"Cheaper than the FW one" is damning with very faint praise if I've ever heard it.

Tavis75 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
MDG, we're talking about how Titans, and soon Leviathans, come with only half the stuff in their unit entry and the other half is DLC.

Yes, but you have a choice of two sets to buy, so you buy the set containing the options you want, the extra sprue being available then gives an option if you want to get into magnetising etc. without having to buy a second full kit, but I imagine a lot of people will build for a specific load out. They could have stuck everything in one box but then the price would go up as there's an extra sprue in there, which would mean people would be forced to pay for a bunch of options that they may not want.

The price for both sprues in the one box would probably end up cheaper than the separates anyway, and I imagine the vast majority of people who magnetise will be buying everything anyway.

I like the concept of close combat Leviathan but I like the look of ranged one better. I'll probably buy one of each anyway and would buy two even if all the weapon options came in the same kit.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s….still not DLC. You want a shooty Leviathan? Buy that kit. Fighty? Buy that kit.

Bit of both? No need to buy both kits.

Remember the size of the weapons on these fellas is pretty large, so expecting the shooty one to double up each gun in the base kit seems….optimistic.

And, from what we’ve seen, the kits do seem to be built with easy magnetisation in mind, easing things considerably for those who want maximum flexibility for minimum purchase.

Also keep in mind that prior, you had to buy each chassis and each weapon separately. In resin.

If you want both you will end up price of nearly 2 for 1.

Citation needed, given we’re yet to see the prices.

 Albertorius wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
MDG, we're talking about how Titans, and soon Leviathans, come with only half the stuff in their unit entry and the other half is DLC.

Exactly so.

I agree. GW is now reaping the true rewards. Starter box is a HUGE steal for customers. However this business practice is geared towards maximum profit. There is only one consolation for me about this Leviathan affair: I think the ranged weapon version is a waste as the dreadnought truly excels spending time in melee. So at least for me there is no loss.

Since you can get the main kit discounted and the weapons not, they cost about 50% of a whole kit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daemonslave wrote:
Ka'bandha has arrived!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/ka-bandha-daemon-general-of-signus-2022?utm_campaign=FW_15th_July_Ka_Bandha_&utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_content=&utm_term=

AUD$495?

They must think we're stupid or something...

If just one Aussie buys it, does that make you all stupid then?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Spoiler:

Since you can get the main kit discounted and the weapons not, they cost about 50% of a whole kit.

That's one way of looking at it I suppose, or you get the main kit at 100% and the weapons are overpriced. Matter of perspective I guess.

I love watching you all do mental gymnastics to justify a company splitting bits and kits into other bits and kits.

There is ZERO reason, other than money, to split many of the kits they do.

There's no reason for 2 Leviathan kits. Just put the ranged sprue in.

And Doc, don't pretend the Ranged one and the Melee one aren't going to cost the same price. It will literally be 2 for 1.

Also, is the whole "Citation needed" some new trend you guys across the Pond have picked up and started trending?

I was super excited for Ka'bandha until I saw the price and points cost.

Being priced out of 2k games and being chumped by any Stubborn Chosen Warrior unit if I do manage to find a 2200+ game seems silly to spend 330$ on.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Citation needed, given we’re yet to see the prices.

20% discount on warlord, full price for weapon. 81.5 pounds. 2 warlords, 108. So for price of weapon sprue and bit more another body so you have 2 titans and 2 weapon sprues,

 TalonZahn wrote:
I love watching you all do mental gymnastics to justify a company splitting bits and kits into other bits and kits.

There is ZERO reason, other than money, to split many of the kits they do.

There's no reason for 2 Leviathan kits. Just put the ranged sprue in.

And Doc, don't pretend the Ranged one and the Melee one aren't going to cost the same price. It will literally be 2 for 1.

Also, is the whole "Citation needed" some new trend you guys across the Pond have picked up and started trending?

I feel like there is a difference between the Upgrade sprues for infantry weapons and the obvious rather wierd "cut content" on the dread. There's no point cutting the melee weapon sprue or the shooty sprue from the leviathan.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Daemonslave wrote:
Ka'bandha has arrived!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/ka-bandha-daemon-general-of-signus-2022?utm_campaign=FW_15th_July_Ka_Bandha_&utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_content=&utm_term=

AUD$495?

They must think we're stupid or something...

If just one Aussie buys it, does that make you all stupid then?

In my observation Australia has a dedicated group of whales that don't recoil at the idea of dropping huge sums of money.

How big is Bandha boy compared to the old FW Bloodthirster? That one goes for $370AUD, guess it's pretty old now.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
I love watching you all do mental gymnastics to justify a company splitting bits and kits into other bits and kits.

There is ZERO reason, other than money, to split many of the kits they do.

There's no reason for 2 Leviathan kits. Just put the ranged sprue in.

And Doc, don't pretend the Ranged one and the Melee one aren't going to cost the same price. It will literally be 2 for 1.

Also, is the whole "Citation needed" some new trend you guys across the Pond have picked up and started trending?

I feel like there is a difference between the Upgrade sprues for infantry weapons and the obvious rather wierd "cut content" on the dread. There's no point cutting the melee weapon sprue or the shooty sprue from the leviathan.

See, for example, how for the most part people is not complaining about the infantry weapon boxes.

Although to be fair the Mk6 sprues are some of the most stingy product GW has ever made, from the size of the sprues they look like GW crammed an infantry kit into an Aeronautica production slot or something.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Although to be fair the Mk6 sprues are some of the most stingy product GW has ever made, from the size of the sprues they look like GW crammed an infantry kit into an Aeronautica production slot or something.

I feel like some less Bolt pistol holsters and a HB / ML and PG /Flamer would've gone a long way to endear it more, since then you could feasibly also run the squad out of the box as 2 veteran squads.