40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**Crimson**

Intercessors are ten point more than tacticals... seems too expensive to me.

**Cephalobeard**

Those are... very weird points. Also Inceptors, at 53ppm, is a lot more than I expected.

**skarsol**

So it doesn't matter if you're BS 2+ or 6+, the weapon costs the same amount? That's interesting.

**rollawaythestone**

We don't yet know how much Tacticals cost.

**Galas**

Crimson wrote:
Galas wrote:
Even with all the freedom of army building in AoS you can't mix people of different orders.
So you can't mix Stormcast with Chaos Daemons with Greenskins.
I'm sure something like that is gonna be in 40k Matched Play rules.
Poor Orks and Tau, I don't see with what they can ally... maybe Tau and Eldar.

I really hope not. It already sucks in AOS that the ogres can no longer act as mercenaries in other armies or that Freeguild cannot be used to represent vampire's mortal followers or necromancers allies and countless other such combinations that would make sense but are needlessly forbidden.

They are forbidden because balance. If you want to play all of that (Something that I normally do. I have a unit of Ironguts to use as mercenaries) you can play narrative! Something that I play all the time.
People shoudln't look for "100% fluffy lists" in Matched play.

**Justyn**

The fact that the points are not nice easy to add numbers, gives me a lot of hope that they are really trying to balance things.

**Rippy**

I am taking my daughter to the hospital, she has something stuck up her nose.

Why is this relevant? Because OP update won't happen for a while.

**Justyn**

I hope she is ok Rippy!

**EnTyme**

Crimson wrote:
I believe this has not been posted yet?

Spoiler:

So does that mean Inceptors are actually 53 ppm? I didn't see an option to NOT take the assault bolters on their dataslate.

**tneva82**

Crimson wrote:
I believe this has not been posted yet?

Ugh. Seems points still won't account WHO wields it.

**axisofentropy**

Crimson wrote:
I believe this has not been posted yet?

oh wow there's a lot of new stuff here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333946-8th-edition-primaris-space-marines/page-5#entry4755729

**Cephalobeard**

EnTyme wrote:
Crimson wrote:
I believe this has not been posted yet?

Spoiler:

So does that mean Inceptors are actually 53 ppm? I didn't see an option to NOT take the assault bolters on their dataslate.

Correct. 53ppm. Really weird, and far more expensive than I expected.

**Leth**

I bet prices will be different for the same weapon in different books. Take the to hit value of the majority or something like that looks to be close to 20 points per power

**Galas**

Maybe weapons will have different costs for army. So a Powerfist into a Imperial Guard unit doesn't cost the same that one with a Space Marine.

**Loopstah**

I'm assuming that's from the starter set Primaris figures and that weapon prices might be different for different armies when we see the index book point lists.

**Galas**

With how expensive the Hellblasters are, this is pretty brutal. Don't even a Mortal Wound. They just explode with a 1 if they overcharge it

**Fenris-77**

Tbey've already said that they're doing bespoke rules on a per unit basis, so I no reason to believe that the point cost for equipment and whatnot wasn't approached in exactly the same way, which would mean taking the units stats into account.

I'm not worried about this at all.

**ListenToMeWarriors**

I think the points for weapons will be different for characters, units etc. I am assuming that is just the starter set info for ease of use in one place. On the starter models there are no costed weapons that the infantry have that are shared with the characters. I think the indexes will be more detailed and granular.

**kronk**

rollawaythestone wrote:
We don't yet know how much Tacticals cost.

13 points each. Don't know what the basic, 5 man squad starts at, though.

That was in the Power/Points preview on the Warhammer Community page

**docdoom77**

axisofentropy wrote:
Crimson wrote:
I believe this has not been posted yet?

oh wow there's a lot of new stuff here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333946-8th-edition-primaris-space-marines/page-5#entry4755729

Well, you don't have to worry about losing your character to an unlucky '1' unless he's by himself in the transport (or you roll ALL 1's).

**Fragile**

Yes, but no Gets Hot unless they supercharge. So a plasma weapon S7 -4 AP with no drawbacks otherwise

**kronk**

Galas wrote:

Spoiler:

With how expensive the Hellblasters are, this is pretty brutal. Don't even a Mortal Wound. They just explode with a 1 if they overcharge it

Better save those command points!!! Wow!

**changemod**

Cephalobeard wrote:
Those are... very weird points. Also Inceptors, at 53ppm, is a lot more than I expected.

That's exactly what a crisis suit costs with two weapons and a bonding knife at the moment, unless you take flamers or burst cannons which are a bit cheaper.

I'd say that's pretty much exactly fair honestly: Weaker weapons but T5, no markerlights but better base BS.

**ClockworkZion**

rollawaythestone wrote:
We don't yet know how much Tacticals cost.

Yes we do. 13ppm.

**rollawaythestone**

kronk wrote:
rollawaythestone wrote:
We don't yet know how much Tacticals cost.

13 points each. Don't know what the basic, 5 man squad starts at, though.

That was in the Power/Points preview on the Warhammer Community page

**Cephalobeard**

changemod wrote:
Cephalobeard wrote:
Those are... very weird points. Also Inceptors, at 53ppm, is a lot more than I expected.

That's exactly what a crisis suit costs with two weapons and a bonding knife at the moment, unless you take flamers or burst cannons which are a bit cheaper.

I'd say that's pretty much exactly fair honestly: Weaker weapons but T5, no markerlights but better base BS.

I suppose thats fair. Will come down to what the Chapter Tactics do.

**Loopstah**

Actual leaks, I did wonder if we would get any this time around.

Looks good so far.

**necrontyrOG**

Looks like this is the core rules:
http://imgur.com/a/hYQup

**changemod**

Plasma damage per shot seems a little weak for what it is, but it'll depend what other plasma weapons do.

Still, not overheating unless you intentionally risk it could be very handy for the high rate of fire plasma Skitarii have.

**docdoom77**

necrontyrOG wrote:
Looks like this is the core rules:
http://imgur.com/a/hYQup

Looks like the preview was wrong. It IS 10 or more, not MORE than 10 wounds for characters.