GK rumours - (blurry) Dreadknight pics on pg 19

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**Kanluwen**

I'm distinctly seeing "psycannon" when I look at the text on the bottom.

Maybe the top one is a psylencer?

**shrike**

MajorTom11 wrote:
I wonder what the third bottom weapon for the dreadkinght is there's obviously a psycannon, incinerator and a huge NFW, but what is the bottom one?

Kanluwen wrote:I'm distinctly seeing "psycannon" when I look at the text on the bottom.

Maybe the top one is a psylencer?

It's either the top or bottom one is a psylencer- can someone pwease take the time to superimpose a pycannon next to each?
I think the bottom is the psylencer...it's just a hunch...
the bottom one is two words...hmm...

**Trevak Dal**

Nicorex wrote:
sourclams wrote:
raverrn wrote:Not really. GK recruit psykers - they have the power before the geneseed part.

This is wong

There I fixed it for you. Just kidding.
Let look at this logicly in fluff. First you have to find a pre-Teen that has the psykic gene in them. Then they have to undergo all the same trials and testing to become a Standard SM recuit. From the fluff we know that mabye one or two in a hundred make it past this part. But lets be generous and say its 5. Now they have to undergo the surgerey and impantation of the genenseed and extra organs. The fluff says that we lose even more recuits in this phase of the trials. So agin being gernerous lets say 3 make it this far. Then its off to the Libraians to test and train and attempt to master their psykic abilitys. Fluff there says that many dont make it here, because they cant learn control of their powers. Well you cant have a Super enhanced psyker running around lose can you, so your gona have to put him down. Now we have a single Psyker recuit thats ready to take on the mantle of a PAGK.

So in this situation, what geneseed would you use? Ultramarine? I dont think so. They have a stable and reliable geneseed but you need something with a bit of extra oomph to it. Well lookie here we have this whole big vat of geneseed that helps enhance and control psykic abilitys built in. Mabye we shouldnt use it though. The last guys who did went bad. Well they didnt really go bad they were sortof foreced to go bad to survive after their boss made a bad decision and their Grand Dad decided to kill them for it. So I bet if we monitor these new guys a bit more and mabye keep their Gramps from trying to kill them, I bet they would work out just fine.

Luckily they have the mechanism for gathering said psychicly active teens in place: The black ships.

**Kanluwen**

shrike wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm distinctly seeing "psycannon" when I look at the text on the bottom.

Maybe the top one is a psylencer?

It's either the top or bottom one is a psylencer- can someone pwease take the time to superimpose a pycannon next to each?
I think the bottom is the psylencer...it's just a hunch...

There's a Psycannon in Dreadnought form.

Pretty much matches the bottom one, I think.

**sourclams**

Nicorex wrote:
sourclams wrote:
raverrn wrote:Not really. GK recruit psykers - they have the power before the geneseed part.

This is wong

There I fixed it for you. Just kidding.
Let look at this logicly in fluff. First you have to find a pre-Teen that has the psykic gene in them. Then they have to undergo all the same trials and testing to become a Standard SM recuit. From the fluff we know that mabye one or two in a hundred make it past this part. But lets be generous and say its 5. Now they have to undergo the surgerey and impantation of the genenseed and extra organs. The fluff says that we lose even more recuits in this phase of the trials. So agin being gernerous lets say 3 make it this far. Then its off to the Libraians to test and train and attempt to master their psykic abilitys. Fluff there says that many dont make it here, because they cant learn control of their powers. Well you cant have a Super enhanced psyker running around lose can you, so your gona have to put him down. Now we have a single Psyker recuit thats ready to take on the mantle of a PAGK.

Chapter recruitment drives appear to happen about 1x/generation (of normal humans) in the case of those which recruit off of multiple worlds.

The Black Ships are bringing in boatloads of psyker potential every month. Psykers are incredibly rare, psykers fit for space marine training even more so, but the IoM has in place infrastructure capable of screening a population in the multiple trillions. Given that sort of a recruitment pool, one-in-a-billion chances are realized 8 times a year.

**Redemption**

Mantle wrote:I wonder what the third bottom weapon for the dreadkinght is there's obviously a psycannon, incinerator and a huge NFW, but what is the bottom one?

The bottom one is the Heavy Psycannon, the middle one the Heavy Incinerator, the top one is the Gatling Psilencer (rumoured to be 12 shot S5) and the sword is the Nemesis Greatsword, and with the Nemesis Daemonhammer and the Personal Teleporter, that would be all the rumoured upgrades of the Dreadknight. At its base cost, he comes with nothing but his fists.

**Mantle**

Well if the psylencer is a high rate of fire weapon (which I think was rumored) then that is probably it, having two barrels and all, but the top one is a psycannon because of its large barrel.

**Kanluwen**

He just said otherwise.

The top one is a "gatling psilencer", which does actually make a kind of sense since it looks like it's two barrels(at least) with a support around it..

**Mantle**

Redemption wrote:
Mantle wrote:I wonder what the third bottom weapon for the dreadkinght is there's obviously a psycannon, incinerator and a huge NFW, but what is the bottom one?

The bottom one is the Heavy Psycannon, the middle one the Heavy Incinerator, the top one is the Gatling Psilencer (rumoured to be 12 shot S5) and the sword is the Nemesis Greatsword, and with the Nemesis Daemonhammer and the Personal Teleporter, that would be all the rumoured upgrades of the Dreadknight. At its base cost, he comes with nothing but his fists.

Ahh posted just after, I cant see a barrel between the two parts on the bottom weapon

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I am talking about the weapon layed horizontally

**Kanluwen**

...Which is a "heavy psycannon".

**Redemption**

Can't make it more clear than this.

Edit: well, except for the red text and jpg artifacts combination...

**Kid_Kyoto**

Quick question, does the GK Storm Raven have the same weapon options as the BA one? I assume it would what with the kit being out already but we never know...

**Kirasu**

For this base costs hes better than any nid MC already.. and 50 pts cheaper

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Quick question, does the GK Storm Raven have the same weapon options as the BA one? I assume it would what with the kit being out already but we never know...

yeah exactly the same weapons.. just renamed so its not Blood Skies but Shadow skies and not blood missiles but psi-strike missiles

**Mantle**

Redemption wrote:Can't make it more clear than this.

Edit: well, except for the red text and jpg artifacts combination...

Ahh k, cheers, I thaught it was the other way round because I always expect a psycannon to have a huge barrel, and thaught we were getting mixed up haha

**Puscifer**

Awesome work Major Tom.

I tried doing what you did through Photoshop and failed miserably.

I read somewhere that the TAGK kit also contains parts for the Paladins and the Ghostly TAGK. Any confirmation on this guys???

**akira5665**

38 PAGES...

Based on a blurry pic, with little or no info.

I salute the stretch of Interest...

**Redemption**

Mantle wrote:I always expect a psycannon to have a huge barrel

**Kanluwen**

akira5665 wrote:38 PAGES...

Based on a blurry pic, with little or no info.

I salute the stretch of Interest...

You realize it was only up to 19 pages and dying out before the pictures leaked, right?

So it's more like 19 pages based on a blurry pic.

**Vhalyar**

nvm.

**Kanluwen**

Ignore this.

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But hey, how about that terrible Dreadknight model?

**Vhalyar**

Kanluwen wrote:But hey, how about that terrible Dreadknight model?

I like it

Though one of the first thing I'll be doing is tinkering with the kit to see how I can get a more dynamic pose going.

Edit: For anyone wondering about the Dreadknight, it's not 130 points for the "awesome spew fire and psycannon bolts all over" version:

Commissar Ciaphas Cain wrote:-Mordrak and Draigo do have The Grand Strategy
-Psycannons and Incinerators do not ignore Invuls as far as I know. Psybolt ammo seems to, though.
-No vehicles/walkers have access to Psycannons, Incinerators, and their ilk, outside of the Dreadknight which is a Monstrous Creature anyways.
-Dreadknight Options: (135 pt Base)
-Heavy Psycannon - 40
-Gatling Psilencer - 35
-Heavy Incinerator - 30
-Nemesis Daemonhammer - 10
-Nemesis Greatsword - 25
-Personal Teleporter - 75
-Also, Dreadknight Armour: 2+/4++
-Dreads(115 pts)/Ven Dreads (175 pts): Weapons are the same as they've ever been for a Space Marine Dreadnought. Fancy GK vehicle upgrades including Psybolt and Psyflame ammo.

**Pyriel-**

Maybe its the psilencer gatling?

The GK were founded by the surviving loyalists of traitor legions. This is heavily implied and there is no alternate implied in any background. The loyalists were composed of mostly Death Guard, with a few World Eaters and Thousand Sons amongst them.

That I agree with but I was talking about the current GKs and their geneseed.
As fair it is to assume a few traitor legion members (its implied, not proven) started the grey knights
I really dont think mars was allowed to open up the whole of the reserve 1ksons geneseed banks to enlarge the GK chapter.

As for the current geneseed its still a mystery and a good one at that.

**AgeOfEgos**

I wonder if you give the Dreadknight scout and teleporter----can it move 30" for its scout move? That would lulzy.

3 Dreadknights scouting----Move 30"
Your turn, move 12", assault 6"

That's a 48" charge range, 5 attacks at MC double dice for AP----on vehicles that haven't moved yet.

**shrike**

Kanluwen wrote:
shrike wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm distinctly seeing "psycannon" when I look at the text on the bottom.

Maybe the top one is a psylencer?

It's either the top or bottom one is a psylencer- can someone pwease take the time to superimpose a pycannon next to each?
I think the bottom is the psylencer...it's just a hunch...

There's a Psycannon in Dreadnought form.

Pretty much matches the bottom one, I think.

On further inspection, the top one looks more like a mini-gun/assault cannon-style gatling weapon- lots of smaller barrels, while the bottom one looks like one fat barrel.

**Kirasu**

Still curious how one can design Carnifexes and then the dreadknight while keeping a straight face..

For the same price as a fex with heavy venom + bio plasma you get a guy with heavy psycannon and either psilencer or incincerator.. In addition you get +2ws, +1Int, +1BS, +1T, +1 armor save and a 4+ invul save

Ontop of that you also get some amazing psychic powers, preferred enemy against demons and some anti-psyker defense

THen again, it seems like GW has total contempt for the nid book anyhow

**shrike**

Commissar Ciaphas Cain wrote:-Mordrak and Draigo do have The Grand Strategy
-Psycannons and Incinerators do not ignore Invuls as far as I know. Psybolt ammo seems to, though.
-No vehicles/walkers have access to Psycannons, Incinerators, and their ilk, outside of the Dreadknight which is a Monstrous Creature anyways.
-Dreadknight Options: (135 pt Base)
-Heavy Psycannon - 40
-Gatling Psilencer - 35
-Heavy Incinerator - 30
-Nemesis Daemonhammer - 10
-Nemesis Greatsword - 25
-Personal Teleporter - 75
-Also, Dreadknight Armour: 2+/4++
-Dreads(115 pts)/Ven Dreads (175 pts): Weapons are the same as they've ever been for a Space Marine Dreadnought. Fancy GK vehicle upgrades including Psybolt and Psyflame ammo.

**Vhalyar**

Kirasu wrote:Still curious how one can design Carnifexes and then the dreadknight while keeping a straight face..

Different designer, worries of squadrons being too strong, Carnifex is not a shiny new model, realization that the other designer did a booboo.

shrike wrote:I hope the psycannon is more anti-tank...

Older rumors (which match up extremely well with the current ones) indicated that it's a S5 rending weapon with 12 shots.

**Mr Hyena**

No matter how much I try...the Dreadknight still hasn't grown on me. Doesn't seem GK-like.

**Pyriel-**

I wonder what the incentive to ever take dreadnoughts will be.
I mean a ven dread at 175p and a normal dread at somewhere around 125p with close to no mobility that doesnt cost an additional 200p and no survivability (a puny ork rokkit or IG missile will cause it to hide behind terrain our of fear of blowing up).

Both shoot crappy and Cc even worse and for the same cost roughly you can get a dreadknight that does everything better plus being mobile.

So except the anto psycher aura of -4Ld for the ven (however it is supposed to get close to said enemy psycher without spending three tons of extra points is beyond me)
why on earth would anyone want to take a drednought ever again?

**whoadirty**

According to the opening, this is all the info you need to build a pure Grey Knights force:

http://lkhero.blogspot.com/2011/02/pure-grey-knights.html#more