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Given GZ have burnt through backer funds, further investor funds and have outstanding debts I doubt there is anything left for shipping at this stage.
They'll either have to ask backers for more (and I'd want to see palette upon palette of finished games ready to ship before I'd even consider that) or they'll have to sell to retail to raise funds first but those investor funds came from retailers who are owed stock as well so that market might be limited.
EDIT:
Also small tidbit from Darkstone the Italian translators have confirmed they are finished but other language teams are not, apparently they have until Monday to get done (or provide an update to GZ).
If the Italian team are done that must at least mean all of the written stuff is finalised and just needs to be printed.
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I am prepared if needs be to pay for shipping in return for stock added to the delivery. I have already done this anyway, all backers have.
It was one of Gamezones better ideas, backers get store credit equal to the shipping costs.
Like DaveC I would like to see the boxes before paying this, but as Gamezone has a lot of things worth buying I would be up for that.
I now also have to realistically wonder if delivery comes will it come before Brexit or not.
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There wont be a transition because things will go downhill fast over banking service exclusion, which is a large % of the UK economy.
We are looking at either a capitulation by the UK or a hard Brexit, I think the latter is more likely.
Which means we have until March 2019 for delivery. I think the product will be ready this year bar possible printing issues, however print is in China and they might price gouge which often happens to smaller clients. There will then be delivery times of print materials.
All in all it will be cutting it close.
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No release date yet for the update videos probably by the end of March - they are planning to release them in 5 languages (subtitles) so translation is taking some time. There is some information about them on Darkstone.
The video I've seen, takes about 16 minutes Among other things, I translated subtitles think it's just the first part.. There should be a second
I think that only the second video (the one I have not seen) is the interview. The first is an overview of the new plant (it exists!) With machines, miniatures, boxes, prototype, etc.
I translated the subtitles but before watching the movie, so I could not see the image associated with the words I was translating, but it is good or bad, we have intuited that you get to see the entire production line.
As for if they're kidding us, guys, honestly, I do not know what to think. I see things that are there, others that are missing, there are things that we translate, others that are still missing. I put my soul in peace to wait again, after everyone does what they want. "
So for the dice, indeed the problem seems settled. But before jumping for joy, he prefers to wait 2 weeks to see the first deliveries what results and I understand it well. After the release of the update, I will explain a little more about it.
He received the video files and all the subtitles yesterday, to him to act now for the update.
Problem also set for the walls in ruins which were to be delivered on clusters (to detach therefore).
In the end, the elements are already detached in the box.
I confirm that the new models of Zargon & Morcar as well as the Vampire have been finished.
We'll do a comparison later on elsewhere.
the update is planned for ... next week
Spaniards will also be able to discover the game in the E-Minis stores, distributor of the game on the Spanish territory since they will receive the set of demo with the definitive elements for anyone to test it.
Ditto for Germans through Gamezone Miniatures Germany
Orlanth wrote: now Dave Lewis is just a designer in someone else's company.
What a strange way to put that. He said on multiple occasions now that he wanted to get out of managing a business, as it took 60 hours a week and left none to do what he truly wanted to do, which was actually work on his his games. "Just" a designer? He's "just" living his dream now, instead of getting ulcers.
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Orlanth wrote: now Dave Lewis is just a designer in someone else's company.
What a strange way to put that. He said on multiple occasions now that he wanted to get out of managing a business, as it took 60 hours a week and left none to do what he truly wanted to do, which was actually work on his his games. "Just" a designer? He's "just" living his dream now, instead of getting ulcers.
It's true nonetheless, it was his company, his game, now it is someone elses.
He had the choice to hire a manager and be the designer while still being owner.
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Sat 31 Mar 2018 14:07
I just translated the text of the update and sent it to the Kraken.
Dionisio sent it to me because I had no news from the Kraken and it worried me especially with the Easter weekend.
So for the videos, I will come back to it in more detail.
An open the box in June I do not think very seriously.
As Donatien pointed out just above, the game was due out last year.
We hurry for nothing: Dionisio evokes it in the interview, the game has been delayed because of poor quality productions on several things including a main element. I also witnessed the same day of my visit something else which I will share later.
Dionisio should have updated in December and it did not happen. But this delay has benefited
- changes to hero and monster cards with the addition of descriptive texts
- tests and changes / revisions of character abilities
- review of adventures
- the addition of content for the back of the screen (which was not planned but adds a value)
- adding an additional heroic card deck with a new heroic rule that I'm still waiting for
- the change of certain figurines
- the addition of surprise figurines
- changing the heroic rules as a whole (which I'm still waiting for!)
As soon as I have the date and time I warn you here.
So fethin' close, but sadly not to assumed to be safe.
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Nothing new and he’s deliberately evasive on the shipping issue other than “close” and “soon”. Basically he’s waiting on the redone dice which are due in May if they are good then he OKs the printing and China do their thing (but not before the dice are approved). When all the parts are ready they go to a 3rd party who will assemble all the boxsets and ship them to backers. Every country will ship simultaneously (more or less). No word on how they will afford to ship a box that size and weight.
Realistically if dice are OK in May your looking at 2 - 3 months for China to do the printing and ship them then what a month to assemble 16,000 boxsets? I’d give it another 6 months assuming there are no other issues.
Some other bits
10,000 extra anniversary boxsets for retail.
130,000 dice needed for backers copies alone
After that HQ classic cheaper with card tokens
All elements available after release from GZ in both metal and resin versions.
Dice issue isn’t costing GZ anything extra as redos are contracted for.
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Shipping costs and Chinese gazzumping are the major hurdles now. The second might not happen but is common for more vulnerable companies.
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The dice that GZ received are in bags of 2000. But the symbols are different and also had a problem of color and inks.
You can zoom in to see it. The manufacturer has sent some new ones but they always had the same problem.
GZ has decided to only make the white dice and after asking for the symbols to a company in Barcelona.
The day of my visit they had a message from Barcelona: the dice were not perfect ...
Since February, the problem has finally been resolved!
Those pyramids fit into the stone golems/statues (no idea what they do rules wise)
I'm glad I have all the parts of the original game other than the minis/furniture GZ seem to be over complicating things HQ was always a simple entry level game it doesn't need all these added rules, fancy dice etc.
Those pyramids fit into the stone golems/statues (no idea what they do rules wise)
The French guy on the video says they are different effects that the GM can trigger during his turn (I assume something like "all monsters move one extra square" and so on).
The dice that GZ received are in bags of 2000. But the symbols are different and also had a problem of color and inks.
You can zoom in to see it. The manufacturer has sent some new ones but they always had the same problem.
GZ has decided to only make the white dice and after asking for the symbols to a company in Barcelona.
The day of my visit they had a message from Barcelona: the dice were not perfect ...
Since February, the problem has finally been resolved!
Six kilos is a lot for postage. I was looking at the Royal Mail international business parcel shipping rates, even if we were to generously halve the £4.35 per kilo it would cost from the UK it is still probably about 15 euro per package, likely more. I see why Dionisio needs to clear the extra 10K copies.
As for the dice it was an aesthetic problem, one of the ends should have been a different colour. Frankly Dionisio should not have been too picky, its unfair on the manufacturer. The rejected dice look fine so long as the symbols are accurate and they roll true.
Those pyramids fit into the stone golems/statues (no idea what they do rules wise)
It was mentioned long ago, and the design has changed, before it was three different heads. From memory the Golems have three modes, magic mode, resilient mode and attack mode. The latter two are both melee variants but with emphasis on damage or defence. magic mode presumably has a ranged effect, don't know any more and part of the above is supposition on top of stuff I read back in about 2015, but its broadly so. The article on golems is buried in the Gamezone developer diaries if anyone wants to check.
The pyramid might be a D4 that you roll and take the bottom result (insert the top as rolled into the golem) in which case there is now a fourth mode, or one mode appears twice. If so I think its a design improvement, fewer components and marrying up the different modes along with the means to generate them.
I'm glad I have all the parts of the original game other than the minis/furniture GZ seem to be over complicating things HQ was always a simple entry level game it doesn't need all these added rules, fancy dice etc.
I like what they have done with it with the rules as seen. There is a lot of novel stuff in this game. I wish they had done their own modular dungeonbash, there is enough room in the genre for another.
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more on the dice issue it appears that the ink wasn't getting into the recesses of the etched dice so they're changing to printed dice to solve it. Looking at the images on the rejected dice they are too complex to ever get a proper coverage in the recesses.Etched dice is preferable to printed so they should have gone for simpler images.
Madness, they could have sold the etched dice uninked. The game is not an open and play box, you need to paint and assemble everything. We could have inked the dice ourselves.
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BGG will ban you on trumped up technicalities if you are positive to Gamezone at all. The dialogue is only allowed one direction of travel.
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interesting to note that Hasslefree minis have obviously got a decent amount of new gamezone stock as they're advertising it in their pre-salute email
(no not the heroquest stuff, calm down folks, just the stuff below)
which is good to see as the more money Gamezone makes selling their other stuff the more chance there is of this actually getting completed (and this is the first evidence of it I've seen for a while)
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Orlanth wrote: BGG will ban you on trumped up technicalities if you are positive to Gamezone at all. The dialogue is only allowed one direction of travel.
*Shrug* the moderation is pretty poor there. Octavian needs to be removed as a moderator as Frazzled was removed as a moderator here.
But that's probably a good idea for any site. You get people playing good for 20 years, they get too comfortable and their judgement suffers.
On topic, I wonder how the design will fare in comparison to the original. Dungeon saga is pretty much a heroquest clone, and it's dire. One of my few board game purchase regrets.
yea, I was super bummed about Dungeon Saga, sold it off cheap to a friend so he could paint it up for DnD and other RPG stuff.
Now that HQ29 is almost here, I'm getting curious. I don't know if any of my friends will be picking up a copy. Wonder if any copies will enter retail in the US? Last I heard there were some copy write/ name issues - does anyone know if they plan to sell copies in the States?
pancakeonions wrote: yea, I was super bummed about Dungeon Saga, sold it off cheap to a friend so he could paint it up for DnD and other RPG stuff.
Now that HQ29 is almost here, I'm getting curious. I don't know if any of my friends will be picking up a copy. Wonder if any copies will enter retail in the US? Last I heard there were some copy write/ name issues - does anyone know if they plan to sell copies in the States?
Regardless of the fuss that Moon Design puts up and whines about the usage of the word "HeroQuest", well, the fact is, anyone can import it, no matter what it is called.
I can imagine a couple of my buds may grab copies if available. The components are friggin' beautiful.
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