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Iracundus wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
It is still a bit vulnerable to Melta weaponry up close. They will still have an impact, albeit less so than before. Also, it isn't immune to Close Combat, just much more resistant than before. So it can still be killed by massed Carnifexes, they will just require more turns and attacks to kill it, because it will take them awhile to chew through it's leg plating.
Haywire is the iffy bit though, it may be better for it to be Glances on a 6+, instead of outright Immunity, but then I can see this thing being electromagnetically shielded, and it does have damn thick armour.

The whole point of the Haywire rule is that it it is strong enough to bypass armor to attack the systems. One could make the argument for Knights, Necrons, or any other piece of war machinery in the 40K era being shielded, yet they are all affected by Haywire attacks.

If a lascannon penetrating through knocks off just 1 HP, one could say it is just hitting redundant hardened systems and thick armor, yet the Warlord isn't completely immune to lasers. There can only be a finite number of redundancies so knocking enough of them out should wear down the Warlord eventually, through HP loss. The same reasoning can be applied to Haywire attacks. Meltas, special CC attacks (and I include Haywire into these) all serve to keep the Titans and superheavies from being totally oblivious to the existence of small infantry. If they ignore them in favor of firing away at enemy superheavies, then they should suffer if they let those infantry in too close.

For the SH damage thing, I am in the camp that ignoring damage results for normal vehicles, but bookkeeping for the badass centre pieces; would make for a more cinematic and awesome game. Having a cool Titan duel whilst lesser troops die in their droves in the cross fire would be awesome I think. Personally I think that MC and GC should get damage results too, to represent their arms or legs being blown off.

For Tyranid Bio-Titans I think they should have the same potential of having weapons or legs disabled, just like they did in the old 2nd edition Epic. The whole differentiation between a Tyranid Bio-Titan and Warlord Titan with one using Gargantuan rules and the other vehicle rules is a purely artificial one anyway.

to cover the first part, 40k era tech has gone backwards from 30 the shielding etc would have been better back then than it is "now"

Loving the artwork for the MK0 terminator armour, I must have the model version of it!

Bit disappointed with the Ordinatus, I never really liked the track design for the mechanicus and the model itself is just too small though I seem to remember talk of a larger one in the works?

I know how telling it is about how mundane my interests can be, but I am a bit sad no good shots of the maglev train from one of the new dioramas have turned up.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:



I need these so very, very badly... I owned that terminator, so many years ago, I loved that mini so much. A unit of M&M termies would be the best, the very best.

I still have a few of those, want them!

I don't honestly see the fascination with those M&M terminators. Sure they're old school, that doesn't mean they're GOOD though lol.

Someone on B&C said that those paints I posted the pic of earlier are actually brush paints and they're still working on the airbrush ones, so the non dropper bottles aren't as big an issue if that's true.

 Commander Cain wrote:
Loving the artwork for the MK0 terminator armour, I must have the model version of it!

Bit disappointed with the Ordinatus, I never really liked the track design for the mechanicus and the model itself is just too small though I seem to remember talk of a larger one in the works?

Those in Epic are enormous, they'd be huge on the battlefield.

I believe it has been mentioned before that this is a smaller example of Ordinatus that is in service in the Imperium or something of the like.
Also It was too impractical of make a proper scale model of Ordinatus due to their massive size, similar to a full fledged Stormbird, as why Forge World have made smaller alternatives more suited to game play.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:



I need these so very, very badly... I owned that terminator, so many years ago, I loved that mini so much. A unit of M&M termies would be the best, the very best.

Seriously, look at this....

They better make minis of this. I made my own some time ago but that just rocks.

Whilst listening to this...

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
It is still a bit vulnerable to Melta weaponry up close. They will still have an impact, albeit less so than before. Also, it isn't immune to Close Combat, just much more resistant than before. So it can still be killed by massed Carnifexes, they will just require more turns and attacks to kill it, because it will take them awhile to chew through it's leg plating.
Haywire is the iffy bit though, it may be better for it to be Glances on a 6+, instead of outright Immunity, but then I can see this thing being electromagnetically shielded, and it does have damn thick armour.

The whole point of the Haywire rule is that it it is strong enough to bypass armor to attack the systems. One could make the argument for Knights, Necrons, or any other piece of war machinery in the 40K era being shielded, yet they are all affected by Haywire attackps.

If a lascannon penetrating through knocks off just 1 HP, one could say it is just hitting redundant hardened systems and thick armor, yet the Warlord isn't completely immune to lasers. There can only be a finite number of redundancies so knocking enough of them out should wear down the Warlord eventually, through HP loss. The same reasoning can be applied to Haywire attacks. Meltas, special CC attacks (and I include Haywire into these) all serve to keep the Titans and superheavies from being totally oblivious to the existence of small infantry. If they ignore them in favor of firing away at enemy superheavies, then they should suffer if they let those infantry in too close.

For the SH damage thing, I am in the camp that ignoring damage results for normal vehicles, but bookkeeping for the badass centre pieces; would make for a more cinematic and awesome game. Having a cool Titan duel whilst lesser troops die in their droves in the cross fire would be awesome I think. Personally I think that MC and GC should get damage results too, to represent their arms or legs being blown off.

For Tyranid Bio-Titans I think they should have the same potential of having weapons or legs disabled, just like they did in the old 2nd edition Epic. The whole differentiation between a Tyranid Bio-Titan and Warlord Titan with one using Gargantuan rules and the other vehicle rules is a purely artificial one anyway.

to cover the first part, 40k era tech has gone backwards from 30 the shielding etc would have been better back then than it is "now"

Not all tech has regressed. Titans and ships are still built, albeit slowly and religiously. Warlords and Warhounds that is. The Reaver is old even by Heresy-era standards, much older than Warlords, so its not built anymore, especially as the Warlord is bigger, tougher and better armed. The Emperor titan is obviously not built much, if at all, either, given its size and rarity.

Just got back from the Open Day, picked up the new command tanks and the picture below is the upgrade sprue that is included in the box along with a standard LR and Rhino.

When I got there they had two Warlords for sale on the Sunday, I would expect that meant they sold two or three Warlords yesterday as they tend to split the allocation between the two days of an event?

I spent a long time talking to the FW team about the build of the Warlord including future plans, even got to see the GW style build instructions (full colour booklet) for it. The build is best as a two man job due to the size and weight of the model, its about 7kg of resin, all on a handful of joints. As I took my tape measure and got the FW team to measure it, I know the Warlord is ~23" to the top most point and ~20" to the top of the carapace, 17" across, 17" front to back of the weapon arms. Frankly it isn't tall enough over the Reaver for the extra money but it is considerably larger in bulk. The head as two areas of internal detail but no internal detail inside the main carapace despite there being a large empty space, this was done to 1) reduce cost and 2) improve the rigidity of the model.

Weapon swaps for the Warlord are going to be very painful, you are either going to have to leave off the pistons for the arms or do a complicated join under a big shield on the arm, there is no easy way to do the swap. Obviously they have a full range of weapons planned, starting with the Reaver missile launcher first up. Oh, and an alternate, Warhammer World only, Warlord head. They also have Mechanicum and Chaos versions planned, Chaos first, but nobody has started working on it yet. I'm going to wait for the Chaos version.

Oh, and an alternate, Warhammer World only, Warlord head.

*sigh*

So for those of us who want a retro head not only would we have to pay more and end up with two heads, we can only get it from one store in the world.

Why does GW hate money?

It might be a head to turn your Warlord into Tom Kirby for all you know! Aren't you glad they don't sell that except at Warhammer World?

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

FW posted rules for it a while ago: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/t/Thanatar-Calix.pdf

(In case you can't access the pdf for some reason the sollex pattern lascannon is a lascannon with STR 10 and 60" range. IOW, pretty disappointing.)

Yeah, i sent them an e-mail about how weak it was and they said they would mention it to the rules-people (or something to that effect) so i was asking more as a confirmation of what it ended up as, but thanks anyway.

I just figured the lascannon was more for plinking away at targets while you stomp up the field to punch things with that grav fist.

Regarding the new paints, I wonder, if they really are from Coat D'arms, will there be an exact match for the original Ultramarines Blue from the 90's? I hope so, because then I will have to do a UM legion.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Just got back from the Open Day, picked up the new command tanks and the picture below is the upgrade sprue that is included in the box along with a standard LR and Rhino.

When I got there they had two Warlords for sale on the Sunday, I would expect that meant they sold two or three Warlords yesterday as they tend to split the allocation between the two days of an event?

I spent a long time talking to the FW team about the build of the Warlord including future plans, even got to see the GW style build instructions (full colour booklet) for it. The build is best as a two man job due to the size and weight of the model, its about 7kg of resin, all on a handful of joints. As I took my tape measure and got the FW team to measure it, I know the Warlord is ~23" to the top most point and ~20" to the top of the carapace, 17" across, 17" front to back of the weapon arms. Frankly it isn't tall enough over the Reaver for the extra money but it is considerably larger in bulk. The head as two areas of internal detail but no internal detail inside the main carapace despite there being a large empty space, this was done to 1) reduce cost and 2) improve the rigidity of the model.

Weapon swaps for the Warlord are going to be very painful, you are either going to have to leave off the pistons for the arms or do a complicated join under a big shield on the arm, there is no easy way to do the swap. Obviously they have a full range of weapons planned, starting with the Reaver missile launcher first up. Oh, and an alternate, Warhammer World only, Warlord head. They also have Mechanicum and Chaos versions planned, Chaos first, but nobody has started working on it yet. I'm going to wait for the Chaos version.

Nice lot of info there. Are the WW exclusives limited just to that event or are they always available but just from that store?

My main issue with the Warlord is that from the pictures it looks rather top-heavy. I had trouble with the Reaver and with this one it looks like it'll tip over with a strong glance, not to mention the strain on the joints.

Also, do we have any info on the weapon profiles? Would be interesting to see how powerful these things are.

The base is bland, but this mini is incredible.

I expected more black and white, though. Mine will be more black and white.

He doesn't officially don a completely black and white suit of armour until the siege of Terra though.

Wait, so is the Chaos Knight actually going to be a release in the future or is it just a conversion/showpiece for the event?

I want a real Chaos Knight!

Requizen wrote:
Wait, so is the Chaos Knight actually going to be a release in the future or is it just a conversion/showpiece for the event?

I want a real Chaos Knight!

From the large numbers of Chaos Knights and Lord of Skulls-with-legs conversion kits shown in the display boards, I am pretty sure they will be availble as an actual release.

Requizen wrote:
Wait, so is the Chaos Knight actually going to be a release in the future or is it just a conversion/showpiece for the event?

I want a real Chaos Knight!

Conversion kit.

 Sammoth wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Wait, so is the Chaos Knight actually going to be a release in the future or is it just a conversion/showpiece for the event?

I want a real Chaos Knight!

Conversion kit.

Well yeah, but is it going to be a conversion kit with eventual rules or just one that looks pretty and you can't use on the table?

I'm pretty sure it will get rules eventually. Probably experimental rules as a PDF on release, and inclusion in the next Chaos Imperial Armour after that.

Requizen wrote:

 Sammoth wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Wait, so is the Chaos Knight actually going to be a release in the future or is it just a conversion/showpiece for the event?

I want a real Chaos Knight!

Conversion kit.

Well yeah, but is it going to be a conversion kit with eventual rules or just one that looks pretty and you can't use on the table?

Most likely they are just trying to get the Nerfing right in the random tables it will have.

Man, I seriously can't wait for some of this FW stuff.

Can't wait for Tempest to go up for pre-order, it'll prolly be another collectors edition first, but feth it, Conquests special edition was well worth it.

BrookM wrote:Can't wait for Tempest to go up for pre-order, it'll prolly be another collectors edition first, but feth it, Conquests special edition was well worth it.

I'd have expected the one on sale this weekend to be a limited if it was going to be available at all as a limited by was a standard edition, so I'd expect it to be a standard edition on sale via the website. I would guess that the 2nd book to have the limited edition slipcase for both books and a map?

Valkyrie wrote:
Nice lot of info there. Are the WW exclusives limited just to that event or are they always available but just from that store?

My main issue with the Warlord is that from the pictures it looks rather top-heavy. I had trouble with the Reaver and with this one it looks like it'll tip over with a strong glance, not to mention the strain on the joints.

Also, do we have any info on the weapon profiles? Would be interesting to see how powerful these things are.

Always available from Warhammer World, didn't like the alt head myself, I thought it lacked detail at present, it was like a 3 up of one of the old titan heads and thus lacked detail.

EDIT: And from what I could see the Warlord would need brass rods up the main leg "bones", across the hip, across the shoulder. Apparently the shoulder mount weapons over balance on the Warlord and need either pinning or magnets, but that isn't a major issue.

Ho-hum, if it's a regular edition I'd be game for that as well.

Titan weapon profiles:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Titan weapon profiles:

Does this mean that you have the book? If so, could you answer some questions about the imperial militia list?

1) What are the grenadiers (troops choice)?

2) Is the thunderbolt the same as the one in HH4 (BS 4, AA missiles)?

3) What are the HQ choices?

How on Earth did the vulcan not get juiced up?
A knights gatling gun is comparable to it.

And is the turbo laser now defunct since the blaster has a better profile?