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NTRabbit wrote:

willb2064 wrote:
Looks to me like they are trying to sell board game quality figures at wargaming quality figure pricing.

Except they're not selling board game figures, they're selling a board game

The KS main feature seems to be "look at all of these great miniatures" - and understandably so, since it doesn't appear to be a boardgame that's worth $100. It's also worth mentioning that it's clearly not a "normal" boardgame, but they're very much interested in the "miniatures boardgame" space occupied by games like WHQ, AHQ, Space Hulk, Descent, Dust Tactics, et al.

So they're not solely doing either - their product is designed to straddle that space, but if the materials are sub-par but priced as "normal" figures, that's where my old sparring partner Nkelsch and I come to agree again.


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NTRabbit wrote:
It has the price of a boardgame to me, at least in all the boardgame stores I've been to. Example, the Descent game everyone keeps mentioning is $100 at my FLGS, and the expansions are all either $50 or $85. Dungeons & Dragons Legend of Drizzt and Castle Ravenloft are $110.

Whiny is as whiny does.

Buy this stuff online from Games Empire (Syd), Book Depository (UK) ozgameshop (UK). Still costs a little more than living in the US and getting a 30% retail discount and free shipping, but a hell of a lot better than buying from local retailers. (unfortunately).


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NTRabbit wrote:
Drizzt says 42 minis, Descent doesn't say how many on the store site, DS currently has 28 in what I assume is the retail box but backers get a current total of 53, and that's with the project still ongoing.

Drizzt/Ashadalon/Ravenloft have 42-ish figures, but there are 3 of each mob sculpt, fewer heroes (but they're all cross-compatible between the three games), and the Bosses and Minibosses are pretty decently sized and nice sculpts in their own rights to boot. The Trolls in DKHS look good, but not nearly as impressive as the Dracoliche, Red Dragon, flesh golem, etc in the D&D games.


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 judgedoug wrote:
Mantic should include the Kings of War baby book with any order that has those add ons... muahaha... must spread KoW...

Bloody good idea - you should contact them with that.

That is a good idea about including the Kings of War rules, and I think they should just extend that to all of the add ons from their fantasy line. I've got the PDF copy somewhere, but having a physical copy will make me far more likely to actually sit down and play!

For the over all price of the game, if the quality is around that of the Bones figures, I think I'd be pretty content. Then again, I'm going in with board gaming in mind.
If we end up with another expansion or two as well, we could very well end up with another 10- 20+ models if the stretches follow a similar pattern, and that's not even counting whether you purchase the expansions or not.

I'm starting to wonder if that goblin and the ogre shaman might end up being purchasable mini bosses for next Wednesday.

Jake should stick a starter version of god of battles in, more usable with skirmish sized forces

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
That is a good idea about including the Kings of War rules, and I think they should just extend that to all of the add ons from their fantasy line. I've got the PDF copy somewhere, but having a physical copy will make me far more likely to actually sit down and play!

For the over all price of the game, if the quality is around that of the Bones figures, I think I'd be pretty content. Then again, I'm going in with board gaming in mind.
If we end up with another expansion or two as well, we could very well end up with another 10- 20+ models if the stretches follow a similar pattern, and that's not even counting whether you purchase the expansions or not.

I'm starting to wonder if that goblin and the ogre shaman might end up being purchasable mini bosses for next Wednesday.

Bro,

I'll be dropping those couple of Dungeon levels in this one as well. So happens I still have a couple of Restic Dragons that need some love, as well as a gak load of gobbos, and odds and ends that need a home.

The overall scale is the thing, though at the end of the day.

To me, the showstoppers with a couple of the past projects was that the project managers DID NOT outright include in all honesty the scale of the figures. 25-28-32mm bled into each other and at the end of the season, when your expecting a halfway decent amount of figures that you can use amongst each other go right to the closet because they are not even close.

I am 110% on board with adding in that rulebook, though. Then maybe a chapeter on how to go about creating your own stat lines for your own figures.

 Azazelx wrote:

Buy this stuff online from Games Empire (Syd), Book Depository (UK) ozgameshop (UK). Still costs a little more than living in the US and getting a 30% retail discount and free shipping, but a hell of a lot better than buying from local retailers. (unfortunately).

I actually quoted Games Paradise, which isn't my FLGS so much as it's the discount online retailer I last used. The only actual FLGS I have is a Gamesworld, where the prices are higher like you'd expect. I was going to use Games Empire prices but they still have the end of financial year sale prices up front so... Milsims is cheaper too. Still finding it pretty comparable.

Games Empire is generally pretty decent with price, and their service is always top notch. Milsims is also pretty decent most of the time, but their service is ...shall we say variable - so I tend to use them less. Outside of those two though, we don't have any other decent options that I'm aware of for boardgames and such. Games Paradise had a pretty good sale on last year, but their service and speed were horrific, so me using them again fell into "not bloody likely" territory after that. (also, google the reviews of them if you want some fun reading!)

Yeah I bought my Dreadball stuff and a few other things from Games Empire (it's almost the only local Mantic stockist I know), and I've had a couple Secret Santa gifts sent to me from Milsims. Games Paradise is just the last store I used because they had the end of financial year sale, and they were the only one that had the game I wanted in stock. Took over a month to arrive and I had to email, but it arrived

Don't know if the OP wants to put this on the front page, but here's the Kicktraq chart for this project for you all.

Theres been a nice steady rise in pledges and cash each day so far with no quiet stretch. Should have a nice boost again with the next expansion as a stretch goal. Heres hoping its the abyssal set.

I think that Salamander character seems to have helped a lot with the current stretch goal lol. $460K? Pfft walk in the park lol

I'm quite pleased with the pacing, hopefully the next stretch (expansion?) and another well done add-on wednesday will drive the pledges on until the least couple of days, where we may see quite a jump when the 48 hour notice goes out.

By the way, if anyone wants more Goblins for their Dungeon Saga stuff- the Heresy Minis kickstarter has some rather nice looking stuff Click the sig banner!

I'm pretty tempted to drop the game from my pledge completely and just stick with the add-ones. Do we know if the bases will be available separately later?

 Azazelx wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Mantic should include the Kings of War baby book with any order that has those add ons... muahaha... must spread KoW...

Bloody good idea - you should contact them with that.

Done!

Herzlos wrote:
I'm pretty tempted to drop the game from my pledge completely and just stick with the add-ones. Do we know if the bases will be available separately later?

I expect the bases will be available for anybody looking to "DKQ" their Kings of War (or other) minis. And in any case, I'm sure there are alternative 25mm square 'cobbled' bases even if they don't.

Herzlos wrote:
I'm pretty tempted to drop the game from my pledge completely and just stick with the add-ones. Do we know if the bases will be available separately later?

That, or you can buy the whole thing you've pledged for, keep the things you want and sell the rest on eBay?

 Riquende wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
I'm pretty tempted to drop the game from my pledge completely and just stick with the add-ones. Do we know if the bases will be available separately later?

I expect the bases will be available for anybody looking to "DKQ" their Kings of War (or other) minis. And in any case, I'm sure there are alternative 25mm square 'cobbled' bases even if they don't.

Honestly, if the cobblestone base is not part of the boardgame pieces, then there is no need for the cobblestone bases to match. There are dozens of better stone bases on the market for cheaper as well. The only appeal of those cobblestone bases is if a majority of the dungeon saga figures have integrated cobblestone bases already and one is trying to match up some of the add-on KoW stuff.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
I'm pretty tempted to drop the game from my pledge completely and just stick with the add-ones. Do we know if the bases will be available separately later?

That, or you can buy the whole thing you've pledged for, keep the things you want and sell the rest on eBay?

That's always a very risky proposition, never mind with Mantic's stuff!

nkelsch wrote:

 Riquende wrote:

Herzlos wrote:
I'm pretty tempted to drop the game from my pledge completely and just stick with the add-ones. Do we know if the bases will be available separately later?

I expect the bases will be available for anybody looking to "DKQ" their Kings of War (or other) minis. And in any case, I'm sure there are alternative 25mm square 'cobbled' bases even if they don't.

Honestly, if the cobblestone base is not part of the boardgame pieces, then there is no need for the cobblestone bases to match. There are dozens of better stone bases on the market for cheaper as well. The only appeal of those cobblestone bases is if a majority of the dungeon saga figures have integrated cobblestone bases already and one is trying to match up some of the add-on KoW stuff.

The cobble/flagstone bases for the boardgame figures have been confirmed for quite some time - every model will have them (although I'm less sure about the resin models). As they're pre-assembled, they will all be moulded together as one piece.

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nkelsch wrote:
There are dozens of better stone bases on the market for cheaper as well.

Where? I've found plain bases cheaper (and so is DIY cork), but not cobblestone. Thanks!

That's not a daemon... THIS is a daemon...

For the price I would just get these at $0.30 each. Match the common dungeon designs out there more than cobblestones (why would you cobble a path underground?).

http://www.champindustries.net/orders_b.html

Since the models will presumably be the same material as the Mars Attacks ones, that means we can expect all of the weapons to be bent. Can anyone with the Mars Attacks models tell me if it is possible to fix the bent weapons? Can you heat then straighten them like with their restic or bones? Or are they just permanently bent?

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Since the models will presumably be the same material as the Mars Attacks ones, that means we can expect all of the weapons to be bent. Can anyone with the Mars Attacks models tell me if it is possible to fix the bent weapons? Can you heat then straighten them like with their restic or bones? Or are they just permanently bent?

I've got some Loka figures in the same material, only had one slightly wonky arm on a skeleton, the hot water trick worked fine in fact it worked better than on the restic dz figures. In fact I much prefer it to restic for this sort of game.

The material is nowhere near as soft and bendy as is been made out here, it pretty darn tough can be scraped with a knife tho I'd use a saw to cut parts off for converting. The detail on the figures is fine, not as good as resin or hips but still pretty decent.

Have you guys seen Edwin's sword? I'll go see if I can fix it, brb.

Can anyone postulate on what the difference will be in final product between the 'Coloured plastic' and 'resin' versions of the same miniatures?

Grimdork - Ronnie said that the plastic ones are done in the same way as Mars Attack. What's your final verdict on those, can you compare them to minis in different games (for example perhaps the D&D games, Descent, or Doom if you know of any of those?)

At this point I'm probably going to get a bunch of minis unless the rules for this game look outstanding (looking through the alpha download now) and wondering what the difference would be in quality between this..



and this.. (and please, no one say 35 dollars.. )

Here you go from this:


to this

I also included a quick alteration to the pose of one of the martians, changes his attitude a little, same sculpt presents a little differently.

And here's Eva with a quick tabletop paint job:


Edwyn's sword was a bit tricky, I had to kind of use my fingernails to curl the sword the opposite way from it's inclination, while it was in hot water (just used hot water freshly pouring into the bathroom sink) and then dunk him into icewater. I kind of over-corrected so when it tried to slink back to it's original form, it ended up where I wanted it. I'll let you guys know if it reverts over night, but I think it'll stay put for now. Maybe if he gets left out in the sun it'll want to go back to shape, not sure.

I'm no expert at painting or anything, but the models look about the same quality as, say, any LOTR models I've had, which I imagine is a far closer scale than anything else.

Although, to be critical, it does seem to be a good idea to 'hot water treatment' everything, even if you think it's fine.

I had never known this, but apparently you need to wash almost everything? Even hard plastic? Even the injection molds for hard plastic have some kind or release? I'm starting to think this is correct because I've had liquid mask pull paint off of a well primed model (down to the base material). The things you learn..