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2015/10/09 21:12:56
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $400,000: HIPS Asterian Transport!
I was actually hoping the AJAX would be something closer to this. A more advanced, more humanoid version of the Strider with a proper head and a vaguely Enforcer-like appearance.
Yeah they haven't confirmed anything though we know it won't be hard plastic. Pretty sure the last HP thing coming up is the hornet and that towards the end .
2015/10/10 01:02:14
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
Wonder if they'll make the sides of the tunnel runners in a clear plastic so your rats can look more gerbilish rolling around inside of them.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2015/10/10 01:15:30
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
How was the resin Stuntbot and Pathfinder bike for Deadzone backers? Good casting quality, easy to work with? Have never had any proper resin from Mantic so would like to know what to expect if I opt for Mules etc.
Didn't get the stuntbot but the pathfinder on bike was pretty good. Some weird transparent resin used for certain parts iirc but in no way does that negatively affect the model, that was just more of a peculiar thing
2015/10/10 01:45:28
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
Not very sure why there needs to be a breach team? The render seems uninspired.
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2015/10/10 01:48:33
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
Sure but the AT mines seem so small that I needed to look carefully to see them.
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2015/10/10 02:05:02
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
It's the space-future, weapons should be smaller. I'm not particularly impressed either though, I'll probably just tack some of those explosive looking things on the eisenkern accessory sprue onto some regular assault enforcers, I've got one of those apparently rare metal tberm gunners.
2015/10/10 02:55:21
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
Ahhhhh the squeel wheels are awesome, probably going with space rats now, unless dorfs get a trouble bubble or something. Fun stuff! Throw one in the battlegroup already.
2015/10/10 03:27:30
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
I'd like to issue a warning to anyone pledging on Mantic Kickstarters.
I have been working in Mantic's design studio as a sculptor for almost 2 years (and you can easily figure it didn't end well) and would like to share some of my experience here for you to consider if you want to pledge blindly or not. I read many people prefer to get in for 1$ and wait to see the final product before commiting more, and that's probably wise.... (assuming you can see the final product before paying, but sometime they conveniantly won't show anything before you have to pay...)
Mantic isn't about doing good miniatures and do very little effort in this direction. In 2 years I have seen a lot done in the financial, commercials and marketing departements, but very little done in the artistic departement. There is no artistic direction, no one in charge at mantic has any artistic background or is in position to see the difference between a good miniature and a bad one and anyway they just don't think good miniatures will sell better or are the reason why people pledge so won't do much effort to improve the quality of their ranges. Really they just want to do things for cheap and sell as much as they can without caring too much about the quality of the product.
I'm not saying they don't do any good ones, but generaly it means the sculptor has been zealous. Mantic is happy to have better miniatures this way but will make no effort to get consistant quality. You can not consider the quality of some previous miniatures to judge the quality of what you'll get next as you don't know who will do them and in which conditions.
They have little respect for their customers, and there is a lot of bs in mantic KS. I have been told on several occasion that something was added at the end of a kickstarter to make some extra cash and that the quality didn't matter (I'm sorry if you bought some of those minis unseen, I tried to make them good anyway when I could...). They prefer to avoir showing wip or greens from fear people won't like them and may requiere change they don't want to make... I have an interesting anecdote about the deadzones marauders I'll have to tell you....
I have seen a lot of amateurism at all levels and have a lot of horrors story about mantic to tell but this post is already long enough, I'll develop that later.
Just keep in mind there have been a lot of mistakes and deceptions in the past, and you can expect a lot more in the future.
I'm not saying you shouldn't buy anything from mantic, if you like everything they do, good for you, but if you have some doubt about what you got from them in the past be carefull and wait for the final product.... (anyway the same minis will be at the same price or cheaper in the next kickstarter in a few months, that's the company buisness model).
MLaw wrote: I have Enforcers and Forgefathers and yes, for the most part those HIPS are very very sharp. I also have zombies though and there's some unwanted softness there.
The zombies (and ghouls, and skeletons, and elves, and dwarves) are done by Renedra, which, amusingly, is the former head of GW's plastics division (and whose company GW bought to start their plastics)
Sculpted traditionally (3up) and tooled in the UK.
The Enforcers and Forge Guard are newer sprues, 3D designed and tooled in China.
I think they are talking about the deadzone zombies, which are also made in china by the same manufacturer. Same for the vermyn sprue.
Spoiler:
MLaw wrote: The HIPS zombies and photos of Veer-myn sprues say that their HIPS are not all up to those standards SS.
While not horrible, they are not super sharp or crisp like the aforementioned GW sprues.
found some pics of Pathfinder sprues too
I have Enforcers and Forgefathers and yes, for the most part those HIPS are very very sharp. I also have zombies though and there's some unwanted softness there.
doing high tech armor and organic creatures is very different, from both plastic casting and 3D sculpting, and I suspect both aspects are taken at fault here.
You shouldn't expect enforecers quality on all the new sprues...
Maybe wait to see what is coming for the KoWKS as an indication of what to expect from Mantic in the future....
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2015/10/10 06:59:05
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
I'm not sure about these new specialist enforcer upgrades, would much rather see the weapons as conversion kits on their own without needing to buy another sprue of enforcers as like many others I already have loads of plastic Enforcers anyway.
I really like the Veer-myn concepts though, if they turn out nice I will definitely get some at some point.
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2015/10/10 08:07:41
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
Sounds like sour grapes to me. They could definitely use more QC but to saying they don't care about their customers or the quality of ther minis is BS, they are a small company that deal with ALOT of customers so some fall through the cracks (funny I've never had a problem with them in getting any issues resolved...) and their minis are getting better and better every time!
As for the new Enforcer stretch goal I would prefer the upgradesto be in resin (wont go near metal upgrade components) and would prefer one of the other races to get some attention as there is enough Enforcer bits for people to play around with....
2015/10/10 09:01:22
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
Yeah the Asterians are still very short, have been since Deadzone, they lack something in the class of a Strider, they still need the tank variants of the transport, a lighter vehicle between the tank and the sky razor bikes, and something in the large infantry weight category.
The Asterian Strider equivalent was asked about and they said they didn't want to do something that was just a larger Cypher and that the weapon drones fulfil that role to some extent so something else is going in the slot in the army
2015/10/10 09:33:34
Subject: [KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
DaveC wrote: The Asterian Strider equivalent was asked about and they said they didn't want to do something that was just a larger Cypher and that the weapon drones fulfil that role to some extent so something else is going in the slot in the army
Even if it's not just a larger robit, they do need something - Enforcers have the Strider and Ajax, FF have 4 patterns of Iron Ancestor, GCPS have the Strider and (for the moment) Marauder Stuntbot, the Plague has the Strider, 1st Gen, Teraton and the Aberration, and the Veermyn have the Night Terror.
If the weapons drone is meant to be in that class, then it means the Asterians lack an equivalent to the Goblin Guntrack, FF Jotunn and Surtr, Veermyn Rumbler, Marine Heavy Weapon Support Teams, and maybe the DOG drone?
In any event, the Asterians and the Veermyn both have a pretty short army list in the alpha compared to the Enforcers and Plague.
Mantic isn't about doing good miniatures and do very little effort in this direction. In 2 years I have seen a lot done in the financial, commercials and marketing departements, but very little done in the artistic departement. There is no artistic direction, no one in charge at mantic has any artistic background or is in position to see the difference between a good miniature and a bad one and anyway they just don't think good miniatures will sell better or are the reason why people pledge so won't do much effort to improve the quality of their ranges. Really they just want to do things for cheap and sell as much as they can without caring too much about the quality of the product.
To be honest I suspected all that when they let the Basilean sisters and lion riders through. This KS seems an improvement, but mostly because of existing enforcer stuff, and not by much. If the veermyn doomwheel isn't a final-straw indication that their creative side is kinda moribund, then I dunno.
Mantic isn't about doing good miniatures and do very little effort in this direction. In 2 years I have seen a lot done in the financial, commercials and marketing departements, but very little done in the artistic departement. There is no artistic direction, no one in charge at mantic has any artistic background or is in position to see the difference between a good miniature and a bad one and anyway they just don't think good miniatures will sell better or are the reason why people pledge so won't do much effort to improve the quality of their ranges. Really they just want to do things for cheap and sell as much as they can without caring too much about the quality of the product.
To be honest I suspected all that when they let the Basilean sisters and lion riders through. This KS seems an improvement, but mostly because of existing enforcer stuff, and not by much. If the veermyn doomwheel isn't a final-straw indication that their creative side is kinda moribund, then I dunno.
The other two concepts were far better and not doomwheely but apparently the doomwheel is the one the community wanted when asked to vote via the comments on the ks. The cynic in me reckons they would have picked the doomwheel one anyway, but who knows.
2015/10/10 11:00:48
Subject: Re:[KS][Warpath]Project live. Current stretch @ $410,000: Enforcer breach team
Taaloc wrote: The other two concepts were far better and not doomwheely but apparently the doomwheel is the one the community wanted when asked to vote via the comments on the ks. The cynic in me reckons they would have picked the doomwheel one anyway, but who knows.
I dunno, if I can't see the rat driving the bike then what's the point? They did indicate they liked the idea that one backer proposed, of optional pieces that attach to the guns to make an almost complete sphere again, best of both worlds to satisfy both camps.
Taaloc wrote: The other two concepts were far better and not doomwheely
The sketches on the previous page here, or something else? If the former, I know the monowheel vehicle is a popular thing in sci-fi and even some potential real world imaginings... but even the other designs, applied to space rodents, that are clearly based on GW's fantasy rodents who have their own highly distinctive and notorious hamster-wheel vehicle...?
but apparently the doomwheel is the one the community wanted when asked to vote via the comments on the ks. The cynic in me reckons they would have picked the doomwheel one anyway, but who knows.
I'll guess this why Ronnie or whoever allegedly feels confident in throwing anything out. (Honestly, a choice between these concepts is basically a choice between hamster wheels and hamster balls)
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