The Doctor Who Thread

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**hotsauceman1**

Well she did get raised by them, from the 50s onward it seems. But was she raised in aa fake home or something?

**CDK**

Finally saw it. It was a great clip. That's how it should have ended!

**CthuluIsSpy**

Well, I saw "The Angels Take Manhatten," or as I like to call it "Plotholes awoy!"
Really, the episodes with the weeping angels are getting more ridiculous with every appearance.

A town called mercy was a bit better, and it was nice seeing Ben Browder again (as well as getting an actual American in a DW episode, instead of some guy in a terrible accent!)

The power of three was ok, though the ending was a tad lacklustre.

**p_gray99**

I have to say that I'm probably not going to watch future episodes of doctor who and one of the few things that would bring me back to watching it would be to see in the news the fact that Matt Smith has been replaced by someone older and more mature, and that the writer has been replaced by someone who prefers two- to four-parters, and doesn't automatically have every episode set on Earth. Surely the whole point of the show is the wide range of places and times, rather than staying within the past two centuries as quite a number of recent episodes have done, or going to different planets with different problems?
Or, perhaps, simply showing episodes from before Christopher Eccleston's time. The show has gone from being aimed at teenagers in the beginning to children aged 8 and under now. The current stage of the show is simply depressing.

**hotsauceman1**

I concur, I watch eccelston, and he straight up killed that last human in one episode. Eccelston would have thrown the doctor out and said "Sorry, you got what you deserved"
Matt Smith is to much of a pacifist.

**Da Boss**

One of the reasons I like Matt Smith's Doctor is because he is such a pacifist. I think there need to be more characters like that on TV. Not every male hero needs to be an asskicking maverick with a heart of gold.

**Anung Un Rama**

The 11th Doctor is a lot more aggressive than the 10th was.

**p_gray99**

Da Boss wrote:
One of the reasons I like Matt Smith's Doctor is because he is such a pacifist. I think there need to be more characters like that on TV. Not every male hero needs to be an asskicking maverick with a heart of gold.

Sure, one of the things about the Doctor is (and has always been) that he is more of a pacifist than most heroes, as was shown in episodes featuring Captain Jack. But what I like about what the Doctor should be is that it's at least partially because he's a coward, and also that he will be utterly destructive when necessary, and I've seen neither of these values in Matt Smith. I blame that more on the writer, but those are the two things I love most about the Doctor, the two things that define him, and suddenly he doesn't have them. Hell, he managed to make the daleks fear him! The Daleks! and what's he gone and done in this series? Had their memories of him deleted. I honestly can't wait for the doctor to regenerate.

**Da Boss**

Yeah, actually, I shouldn't have said "Matt Smith's Doctor". I like how Matt Smith plays the Doctor, but I am eternally disappointed by the writing not living up to how good I think he can be. I think we saw more glimpses of that early on in the series, but the more full of themselves the writers got, the worse the series has become. Very much like Tennants time, sadly.

As for the coward angle, yes, agreed. Also agreed on the fact that when he decides to act, it can be terrifying. One other thing I think they could play with a bit more is how egotistical he is. If he interferes in a timeline, he must think that he's going to improve it, every time, because once he's been in once, he can't really go again.

Very tired of being "told" all the time that "The Doctor is SCARY! The Doctor is WONDERFUL!" Show, don't tell guys. It's rule 1 of visual media.

**BaronIveagh**

Figured I'd post this here.

**Deathshead420**

Pretty funny.

**Kilkrazy**

I can't say I've ever take The Doctor for a coward.

**p_gray99**

Hmm. Well, he ran away from the time vortex when he was younger, and he can never bear to let either a companion die or a civilization be wiped out if it would, say, stop the daleks. Perhaps he's not a coward compared to the average human, but he's not exactly the average human.
You only need to watch a minute in to see it.

I think the thing about him is that he fears the daleks, but equally they fear him.

**reds8n**

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/11/07/the-cybermen-return-to-doctor-who-and-neil-gaiman-is-writing-them/

According to the official BBC Doctor Who site: “We can confirm that the Cybermen will be menacing the universe once again when Doctor Who returns for a run of eight epic episodes in spring, 2013.The iconic enemies will feature in an adventure directed by Stephen Woolfenden and written by the acclaimed Neil Gaiman whose previous episode was the Hugo Award-winning, ‘The Doctor’s Wife’.

“Starring Matt Smith as the Doctor and Jenna-Louise Coleman as the new companion, the episode co-stars Warwick Davis (Life’s Too Short and Harry Potter), Tamzin Outhwaite (EastEnders and Hotel Babylon) and Jason Watkins (Being Human and Lark Rise To Candleford) as a band of misfits on a mysterious planet…

“Steven Moffat, Lead Writer and executive producer, told us, ‘Cybermen were always the monsters that scared me the most! Not just because they were an awesome military force, but because sometimes they could be sleek and silver and right behind you without you even knowing… And with one of the all-time classic monsters returning, and a script from one of our finest novelists, it’s no surprise we have attracted such stellar names as Tamzin, Jason and Warwick.’”

Neil Gaiman tweeted this morning, “I saw my first Cybermen watching Moonbase, as Jamie thought the Piper was coming for him (scary). Then Tomb of the Cybermen terrified me.” When asked if the episode would be scary, he responded, “I hope so.” [via Doctor Who News]

Doctor Who returns on 25 December for the Christmas Special and is back for a run of eight episodes in spring, 2013. Currently, the Gaiman/Cybermen episode is scheduled as the seventh of those episodes.

**p_gray99**

Neil Gaiman? And not directed by Steven Moffat? Perhaps there's a chance I'll watch the next Dr. Who after all. Especially as it's cybermen returning. If they destroy the cybermen like they destroyed the doctor and turned the daleks into skittles, then that's the end of Dr. Who for me. Otherwise, perhaps there's still some life left in it.

**Frazzled**

When did he get a new companion?

**Kilkrazy**

Not yet but she has been trailed in the papers and somehow appeared as a character in the Asylum of the Daleks episode.

**Frazzled**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Not yet but she has been trailed in the papers and somehow appeared as a character in the Asylum of the Daleks episode.

I saw that episode. But isn't she kind of, er dead, and a Dalek? Unless we have a dalek rolling around (which would be cool) I don't see how that works. WOuld be cool though.

guest star: Oh noes what is that?
DW: Its a Cyberman, the most feared robo man guy ever seen! But have no fear I will protect you with this sonic scre...
COmpanion: EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! ZZAP
guest star: wow, you're cool upturned trash can girl.
DW: er...right. thats not going to do at all. I'm the star here
Companion: ZZAP!

Series ends.

**p_gray99**

I heard that it'd be before that happens to her, which sounds quite probable though I don't know the source of that info, so don't rely on it.

**Frazzled**

Oh no, not another I know you're doomed thread. Meh.

Maybe she gets an autobot body and breaks free?
Still opportunities for her to go all KilL O ZAP on things.

**reds8n**

We're not sure yet.

.. I personally lean towards the companion being an ancestor of hers -- bit like they did with Gwen in Who/torchwood.

Kind of related ...

Star Wars: The Clone Wars has had several great guest stars over the years known for iconic roles in other popular genre franchises, including George Takei, Simon Pegg and Katee Sackhoff. But for the first time, a Doctor is coming to the series, as none other than David Tennant appears on this coming Saturday’s “A Test of Strength.”
The episode continues the story arc begun last week, as a group of young Jedi set out to build their first lightsabers. The former Doctor Who star will voice Huyang, a droid who is a crucial part of this journey.
When it came to getting Tennant to appear on The Clone Wars, Filoni remarked, “As a fan that has the privilege of playing in the Star Wars galaxy, I am always on the lookout for others who appreciate, and would enjoy, an opportunity to go on an adventure in George’s galaxy far, far away. When I heard the Doctor himself, David Tennant, was a fan of Star Wars I knew I had to find a way to get in contact with him to see if he would perform on The Clone Wars. The result was ‘Huyang,’ an ancient droid in the service of the Jedi Order, whose sole task in life has been overseeing the construction of lightsabers. I thought David was perfect for the part and he did not disappoint. He delivered a performance which impressed even the Master himself, George Lucas.”

**p_gray99**

Sounds like an interesting episode. I think I might watch it to see whether it was Tennant being awesome or simply Russel T. Davies being awesome, although it probably wouldn't be a completely fair test.

**hotsauceman1**

What about making the companion her twin?

**p_gray99**

It's possible, although TBH I don't see it happening very easily. It seems far too deus ex machina for them to think all along that she's going to die then have it be her twin. Then again, this is Moffat, I wouldn't be too surprised.

**Kilkrazy**

Could be some kind of loop in time. Dr Who meets her before she gets crashed on to the Dalek asylum. Much sadness ensues.

**Darkvoidof40k**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Could be some kind of loop in time. Dr Who meets her before she gets crashed on to the Dalek asylum. Much sadness ensues.

Then we have a pseudo-River situation, albeit without the whole plot device going from highly intriguing to facepalm through the stratosphere.

**Kanluwen**

p_gray99 wrote:
Sounds like an interesting episode. I think I might watch it to see whether it was Tennant being awesome or simply Russel T. Davies being awesome, although it probably wouldn't be a completely fair test.

It was definitely Tennant.

You should check out the BBC production of "Hamlet" with Tennant and Patrick Stewart.

**reds8n**

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0119cfj

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0119d8n

**p_gray99**

Huh. So Moffat's using some kind of a twist on dramatic irony so that the audience is confused but the character isn't... Sort of. Should be interesting, although I'm still doubtful that it will deliver.

**Vitruvian XVII**

Interesting, i like