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They need a new Abaddon figure. I bought mine in the great GW lead sale, which says something about how old it is.

Howard A Treesong wrote:They need a new Abaddon figure. I bought mine in the great GW lead sale, which says something about how old it is.

I'd second that, the model is ugly.

Howard A Treesong wrote:They need a new Abaddon figure. I bought mine in the great GW lead sale, which says something about how old it is.

It's older than the target audience.

Probably very true, but I was able to come up with a good looking fig by using the finecast Abaddon and the torso / base for the plastic Chaos Terminator Lord. Need to get pictures of that puppy up and give you guys an example but suffice to say he is one PO'd mothertrucker.

I wonder if there is a cultist HQ? I hope there is... Just so I can have a legal army with Daemons & Cultists (no marines, that's for my other army ) + the Dragon

decoste007xt wrote:I knew before there was talk of Chaos Legions, is that thrown out the window and all of those rumors are actually focused towards this new CSM codex?

Basically yes. Rumours now say, name will be Codex Chaos Space Marines. Seems like there is a bigger focus on Legions in it. But most rumour sources on this Codex are "untested" (except Hastings and Erazmus), so it is difficult to tell.

And reportedly Typhus will make cultist zombies.....yes please!

aka_mythos wrote:Chaos went into the Eye of Terror with roughly half of the Mechanicum and all the factory ships that had been supporting the Great Crusade, so they have the industrial capacity.

Do they have STCs though? Most of the pre-heresy stuff cannot be retro-engineered according to current lore.

His Master's Voice wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Chaos went into the Eye of Terror with roughly half of the Mechanicum and all the factory ships that had been supporting the Great Crusade, so they have the industrial capacity.

Do they have STCs though? Most of the pre-heresy stuff cannot be retro-engineered according to current lore.

Thats highly likely given that they are factory ships and the state of the current 40k scientific knowledge falls quite far short of that at the Heresy, its likely that the Dark Mechanicus is more advanced than the Adeptus Mechanicus and could reverse engineer complex technologies.

I don't know, you're replacing insane machine god worshiping loons with insane chaos god worshiping loons. I'm sure the Chaos Legions are more open to innovation than the Imperium, but that's probably off set by the chances of your lab assistant murdering you in a bid for power or your face gaining sentience and running away to start a family.

TalonZahn wrote:

kenzosan wrote:Btw. Just want to add that I love how you took it so out of context I forgot what I posted in the first place. I said I expect a variant of the Dragon and I only wanted the Raven/Talon.

I was actually agreeing with you and you missed the giant sarcasm bomb I dropped in my post.

That's the entire point..... CSM should have everything that SM's do and then MORE as they are isolated (to a point) to develop their own tech or have it mutated into any number of things.

SM get rule X, CSM get rule Y to balance.

SM get Vehicle A, CSM get Vehicle A1 to balance.

Like I said, it will never happen. Despite the fact that GW laid out the Legions, mirrored them almost to the letter, and cut them in half Good vs. Evil style... GW will never make it that simple. So their only way out of writing themselves into a corner is to give and take where they want much to the dismay of many of their players/customers.

I'm sorry the conversation has flustered you.

I've had someone seriously use that argument against me so I know there are people that believe that. So yes I missed your sarcasm because I've met people that truly believe SM's should be so OP.

I think we need a Land Raider with no capacity, tentacles instead of Lascannons, and it eats units when they get tank shocked (2d6 save vs. I or get eaten), then sprays the blood out the top and forces a LD test -2 to all enemy within 12".

I'm sure we can come up with some more, but the thread would really go off the rail then.

I hope you can do an all cultist army. Grab a chaos lord, a boat load of cultists, maybe throw in some tanks and BOOM! Lost and the Damned returns!

I'd LOVE a Cultist HQ, as people said, just so I can have cultists and daemons.

His Master's Voice wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Chaos went into the Eye of Terror with roughly half of the Mechanicum and all the factory ships that had been supporting the Great Crusade, so they have the industrial capacity.

Do they have STCs though? Most of the pre-heresy stuff cannot be retro-engineered according to current lore.

Horus secured Mechanicum support for his revellion with a big batch of STCs, and since the traitors fled with forge-ships into the Eye, not to mention the many chaos strongholds across the galaxy that took centuries to be fully excised after the rebellion, it's safe to say that Chaos has plenty of STC for the stuff they do need. Factions that actively pursue a Long War, like the Iron Warriors, Abaddon, and even the Word Bearers know that logistics and materiel win wars.

As for daemonic interference, it's a factor but should actually be more of a boon. Picture the following scenes:

Eye of Terror Planet, take 1:

Chaos Lord: Hey you, tech-slave! You fixed this plasma pistol for me and when i pulled the trigger, it exploded and vaporized my left arm right when I was about to headshot Dante. What gives?

Tech-slave: Ohh, glorious omnissiah be praised! So the daemon I put in the pistol exploded like I expected! This is most valuable data! Since you have an arm left, my lord, would you mind testing this pistol I infused with a nurgle gonorrhea daemon next?

Chaos Lord: *stomps tech-slave into tomato paste*

-intermission-

Eye of Terror Planet, take 2:

Chaos Lord: Hey you, tech-slave! You fixed this plasma pistol for me and ever since it stopped frying my fingers every five shots. What sorcery is this?

Tech-slave: Ahh, most fortunate, my lord! I cast aside the blind worship of the lackeys of the Corpse-Emperor and dared to improve on its design, after testing it on a few slaves. To think that the coolant coil they believed scred was actually shorting the dispersal units! Truly Tzeentch inspired me to make this change in the name of chaos!

Chaos Lord: Your service has pleased me, Tech-slave. You get a week pass at Slaanesh's Den of Vices. Grab a techno-hooker out of petty cash!

You can see how one behavior would tend to work out better than the other in the long run, and prevail.

And then we can compare with standard imperial procedure...

Chapter Fortress of the Imperial Elbows

Chapter Master: Honorable tech-serf, the spirits of my plasma gun have been very restive as of late. What salves and prayers have you used on it?

Tech-serf: Why m'lud, I just cracked it open and removed some sparking wires. Turn out they were a flaw in the design and may have cost the lives of millions in the millenia of use this pattern has been in use.

Chapter Master: This is HERESY MOST FOUL!

*tech-serf is vaporized, all copies of the new gun get burned, entire Chapter takes a century-long crusade of penitence, Inquisitors begin dropping by and poking at your gene-seed*

His Master's Voice wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Chaos went into the Eye of Terror with roughly half of the Mechanicum and all the factory ships that had been supporting the Great Crusade, so they have the industrial capacity.

Do they have STCs though? Most of the pre-heresy stuff cannot be retro-engineered according to current lore.

Others have already said yes... So I'll just add to it... No way of knowing how much the warp messes with STC technology and even still the capabilities it affords chaos is probably predominately used for daemon engines over moare land raider variants.

Brother SRM wrote:
I think it balances out as CSM have more CINEMATIC bonuses with things like BP/CCW and access to marks which change their statlines. Loyalist Marines get LD9 almost all the time anyway, since sergeants are CINEMATIC.

Fixed that for you. Lets craft a narrative!

Noisy_Marine wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:
I think it balances out as CSM have more CINEMATIC bonuses with things like BP/CCW and access to marks which change their statlines. Loyalist Marines get LD9 almost all the time anyway, since sergeants are CINEMATIC.

Fixed that for you. Lets craft a narrative!

I don't see what's random or whatever the buzzword is about Chaos Marines and loyalist Marines having different advantages.

Sunoccard wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:They need a new Abaddon figure. I bought mine in the great GW lead sale, which says something about how old it is.

I'd second that, the model is ugly.

And short.

Think we can expect a new Battleforce?
Current one could probably suffice, for now.

I expect to see a unit of cultists replace the Berserkers if they change anything, and maybe swap out the five man and the possessed for something else, like a small squad of raptors or maybe 3 of those new melee-oblits.

Sunoccard wrote:Think we can expect a new Battleforce?
Current one could probably suffice, for now.

I expect to see a unit of cultists replace the Berserkers if they change anything, and maybe swap out the five man and the possessed for something else, like a small squad of raptors or maybe 3 of those new melee-oblits.

It's a distinct possibility. I don't think any other battleforces have stayed the same after a codex change, not even Necrons.

English Assassin wrote:

Sunoccard wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:They need a new Abaddon figure. I bought mine in the great GW lead sale, which says something about how old it is.

I'd second that, the model is ugly.

And short.

And his mom dresses him funny.

RogueRegault wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

Sunoccard wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:They need a new Abaddon figure. I bought mine in the great GW lead sale, which says something about how old it is.

I'd second that, the model is ugly.

And short.

And his mom dresses him funny.

And he has no arms.

Brother SRM wrote:

Sunoccard wrote:Think we can expect a new Battleforce?
Current one could probably suffice, for now.

I expect to see a unit of cultists replace the Berserkers if they change anything, and maybe swap out the five man and the possessed for something else, like a small squad of raptors or maybe 3 of those new melee-oblits.

It's a distinct possibility. I don't think any other battleforces have stayed the same after a codex change, not even Necrons.

We should because they add the new models in there. Necrons got the Ghost Arc. Dark Eldar got, well, everything since they redesigned all the models.
I foresee the Beserkers and Rhino being removed to make room for the new MC/walker and a different elite choice. As it stands right now the Chaos battle force doesn't have what it needs for a battle force: 15 csm, 8 beserkers, 5 possesed, and a rhino (if beserkers are made elites theres not enough troops)

kenzosan wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Sunoccard wrote:Think we can expect a new Battleforce?
Current one could probably suffice, for now.

I expect to see a unit of cultists replace the Berserkers if they change anything, and maybe swap out the five man and the possessed for something else, like a small squad of raptors or maybe 3 of those new melee-oblits.

It's a distinct possibility. I don't think any other battleforces have stayed the same after a codex change, not even Necrons.

We should because they add the new models in there. Necrons got the Ghost Arc. Dark Eldar got, well, everything since they redesigned all the models.
I foresee the Beserkers and Rhino being removed to make room for the new MC/walker and a different elite choice. As it stands right now the Chaos battle force doesn't have what it needs for a battle force: 15 csm, 8 beserkers, 5 possesed, and a rhino (if beserkers are made elites theres not enough troops)

Well. off the top of my head the Orks, Dark Eldar, and SM battle forces are bassicly: 2 troop units, a transport, and a fast attack unit. Right not CSM get 2 and 1/2 troop units, 1/2 a elite, and a transport.

If I was to take a stab in the dark it's going to be 10 CSM, 10 Cultists, a rhino, and something "new" from the fast attack.

The new deamon flyer is to big for a battle force, and their is going to be rhino for the vheclie. so it can't be that. So that leaves the rumored new CSM biker kit and the rumored new plastic raptors/Assault CSM. Personally I think 3 Chaos Bikers would the perfect choice.

But agien this is all just speculation.
=)

I am surprised nobody has commented on Abbadon... Preferred enemy bubble 12"..... that's absolutely insane. Noise marines or T-sons re-rolling ones to hit and wound is insane. The flier seems sick too, I wonder what it's ST is for it's vector strike but the fact that it never has to evade and is immune to stun lock makes that thing super efficient as well. Then apparently it got butcher canons and the walker got 2!!!.... Expect chaos to be the new shooty Fething army of doom. if the fliers are FA, the walkers Elite, then taking missile toting havocs makes the most ludicrous fire output yet.

In regards to the LR, you had to know it wouldn't get better. They don't want us using the plethora of LR most chaos players already own, they want us buying the new crap.

I am taking salt with these but it looks like they added a lot and fixed some of the minor issues that were in the current codex.


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Damn Abby with squads of 5 plasma gun chosen is sick too, that's 30 scoring plasma guns that get to re-roll their gets hot and failed wound rolls.....INSANE!

Just reminding everyone that the Unwieldy special rule does not apply to walkers or monstrous creatures.

Take this with some nice, delicious salt but the games stores around my area have been told the Chaos Space Marine codex is no longer available. However it is still up at Games Workshops site.

I've gotten that report from my local game stores as well.

TalonZahn wrote:I think we need a Land Raider with no capacity, tentacles instead of Lascannons, and it eats units when they get tank shocked (2d6 save vs. I or get eaten), then sprays the blood out the top and forces a LD test -2 to all enemy within 12".

I'm sure we can come up with some more, but the thread would really go off the rail then.

make it 3d6, and if the unit has ATSKNF the LD test is -4 and the effects of ATSKNF are nullified for one game turn regardless of if they pass or not