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GW had a hand a larger hand in the design and development of Warhammer 3 than the previous games. My guess is we'll see them eventually.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

So, future tabletop unit or nah?

I hope so. Adding longma riders, jet lions, moon birds and tiger men will do a lot to separate them from the other human factions. Don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to the gunpowder and peasant release, whenever that comes in the next few weeks, but all of the fantastic elements that are present in total war really help to differentiate them.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I remember one of the 6th ed books had a throwaway line about a group of beastmen known as the Tiger Men of Ind...

They also showed up in a cameo role in Day of the Demon Warhammer Novel.

I’ve got the trilogy upstairs somewhere. Fairly obscure, but I recall them being quite enjoyable.

I'm so glad Mantic did furry chinese first or they'd never hear the end of it

Hope that these tiger men bever makes it to the tabletop. Look way too WOW

 Mr_Rose wrote:
So there’s a new article up under The Old World banner, ostensibly about TW:WIII.
But then the entire army of Cathay started there too…
So, future tabletop unit or nah?

Mmh...

Гром кошки, xo!

But if I’m gonna be honest, I’m not a fan. Way too AoS-looking for my taste. Kislev, or Fimir, would better.

Or for goodness sake get over yourselves and just add the legacy factions back in!!! Skaven are just about the only unique thing GW ever created for WHFB. Shame to keep them (and the other legacy factions) in limbo…

Valete,

JohnS

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Do you want furries? Because this is how you get furries.

cygnnus wrote:Гром кошки, xo!

But if I’m gonna be honest, I’m not a fan. Way too AoS-looking for my taste. Kislev, or Fimir, would better.

Or for goodness sake get over yourselves and just add the legacy factions back in!!! Skaven are just about the only unique thing GW ever created for WHFB. Shame to keep them (and the other legacy factions) in limbo…

Valete,

JohnS

Goat men, rat men, norse wolf men and lizard men aren't too ridiculous but cat men are? WFB has had furries since its inception.

This just smacks of 'new is bad', rather than any real argument.


They look like cat beastmen that wear cathayan style armour, rather than goat beastmen that wear norse/bandit old world style armour.

sometimes i think WFB fans fetishise the old of the game, making it something it's not. WFB has never been anything other than highly derrivative and contains nothing unique. Ratmen aren't unique.

Catmen are hardly a bridge too far.

Straight away I'm thinking of Kaze Ghost Warrior.

Personally I think it’s great that we’re finally getting to see them flesh out some of these forgotten corners of the Deep Lore – makes me wonder if they are going to bring back the hobgoblin khanate, or actually explore Ind.

Some people just aren't happy unless there's some 1992 art work done in all primary colours and a Derpy metal mini with greatly exaggerated proportions and a snot green base. Everything else is "TOO AOS!"

These would make for great rare monstrous infantry for Cathay I think.

I mean if they get sculpted like the new Chaos Marauders - I think they'd look pretty dope.

Reminds me of a skirmish game that tried to launch a a few years ago with a rakshasa faction. Very curious to see how this art could translate into miniatures.

I think with the right sculptor on them they could look terrific. It's a great way to get something really different for the Cathay roster on the tabletop. I think it's pretty much a given we'd see them eventually.

Total War pivoted from the Neferata DLC to the Cathay DLC so it might be that they want to do these as figures asap - they have a Neferata model (no handmaidens sadly)

All of the Cathay models have been excellent so far so this should be another slam dunk but then they did the concepts for Kislev years ago and nothing since except in TW.

I've wanted tiger headed Beastmen ever since reading that small blurb in 6th mentioning the spice merchants of Ind having run ins with tiger headed Beastmen. I don't NEED a second Beastmen army, but this makes me WANT one...

 Just Tony wrote:
I've wanted tiger headed Beastmen ever since reading that small blurb in 6th mentioning the spice merchants of Ind having run ins with tiger headed Beastmen. I don't NEED a second Beastmen army, but this makes me WANT one...

Same, but I want Chaos Rakshasas, not Cathayan furries that have had the Chaos somehow purged from them.

I mean in the lore there are both. The Tigermen split into two factions. One fled Ind into Cathay to escape their kin who fell to chaos.

So it's not that they had the chaos purged from them so much as they are the few who didn't fall to chaos.

I'm certain that Kislev are being saved for a new edition of the game. They were the first new addition to the game that was teased and just about the only reason I can think that they haven't seen the light of day so far is that they're being saved for a big milestone.

As for the tiger men, the article states that the white tiger stood against Asavar Kul (Old World's champion of chaos) and Archaon (the champion of chaos in TWW3). So there's no way they didn't write that without intending to put them in both games.

 Just Tony wrote:
I've wanted tiger headed Beastmen ever since reading that small blurb in 6th mentioning the spice merchants of Ind having run ins with tiger headed Beastmen. I don't NEED a second Beastmen army, but this makes me WANT one...

The Tigermen of Ind were speculated to be Beastmen "unassociated with Chaos"(which is impossible for Beastmen) by an Imperial scholar traveling in Ind, despite the Ind being very clear they're a natural species they worship. Imperial scholars are unreliable narrators at the best of times, don't take what they say at face value. Anything animal/man hybrid is a "beastman" to them. The ones that know Skaven exist believe them to be Beastmen as well.

 KidCthulhu wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I've wanted tiger headed Beastmen ever since reading that small blurb in 6th mentioning the spice merchants of Ind having run ins with tiger headed Beastmen. I don't NEED a second Beastmen army, but this makes me WANT one...

Same, but I want Chaos Rakshasas, not Cathayan furries that have had the Chaos somehow purged from them.

Rakshasas are only tiger-headed in popular culture thanks to D&D.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Rakshasas are only tiger-headed in popular culture thanks to D&D.

Hey, you won't find me disputing that fact

 KidCthulhu wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
I've wanted tiger headed Beastmen ever since reading that small blurb in 6th mentioning the spice merchants of Ind having run ins with tiger headed Beastmen. I don't NEED a second Beastmen army, but this makes me WANT one...

Same, but I want Chaos Rakshasas, not Cathayan furries that have had the Chaos somehow purged from them.

The info says that these are a deliberate beast people like lizardmen, created by the old ones. So they've not had chaos purged, they're like dwarfs, elves, humans, halflings and ogres. A species that can fall to chaos or not.

If they are furries then being a chaos follower doesn't stop goat people being furries too. I think this ad felinem fallacy is a poor argument to justify disliking them.

The only reason people are hating on them is because they're new. Lizardmen are Incan/Aztec scallies but no one bats an eyelid at them. These tigermen are far less on the nose than lizardmen as well. All the feathers and totems lizardmen carry would be like putting the tigermen in turbins bindis and saris....

And they aren't even actually new, tigermen have been in the lore for a long time now.

People absolutely had issues with Lizardmen when they got their big push in 5th.

And I'm rather surprised people are bringing up Beastmen and Skaven in the discussion. Both are fundamentally based on the debasement of the human form not just in visual terms, but at a deeper world building level as well. Those Tigermen come from a very different angle, and I can't say I'm particularly keen on yet another noble and bright addition to an already suspiciously sanitised faction.

Hopefully at least the models will be decent.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
People absolutely had issues with Lizardmen when they got their big push in 5th.

And I'm rather surprised people are bringing up Beastmen and Skaven in the discussion. Both are fundamentally based on the debasement of the human form not just in visual terms, but at a deeper world building level as well. Those Tigermen come from a very different angle, and I can't say I'm particularly keen on yet another noble and bright addition to an already suspiciously sanitised faction.

Hopefully at least the models will be decent.

Because the why wasn't being criticized, the appearance was. furry as an insult is purely based on looks, not why you look that way. if you show death master sniktch to a lay person, they see a ninja furry. The greater meta context of his existence is irrelevant to the appearance of the model. He's a rat man in ninja gear with 3 swords.


I find this criticism hypocritical. Lizardmen and Halflings are immune to chaos and have been for decades. Ogres basically don't care about it. Dwarfs and elves have their own unique forms of corruption that don't look like chaos.

We don't know anything about tigermen and their susceptibility to chaos. Cathayans aren't immune to chaos or corruption. They don't look like they were born into gak and eat mud for breakfast, neither do elves or dwarfs. These arguments are always 'they look less gak than the empire, they are too noble and bright'.

I am far more interested in them because they AREN'T just another evil beastman faction. Another aesthetic beastman choice that is the same as all the others.


They actually brought something from the depths of WFB into existence and people still aren't happy because they've fetishised the mud slingling holy grail peasants as representative of the WFB setting. Even the dark elves and chaos dwarfs, while being eeevilll, are still clean. Only half of the bretonnian army is dirty.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
People absolutely had issues with Lizardmen when they got their big push in 5th.

While you are correct, that happened literally thirty years ago (1996 IIRC). It's older than probably a majority of players. And Warhammer, as a community, is definitely not one that's lacking in appeals to tradition, rather the contrary. 30 years is enough for Lizardmen to have become effectively uncontroversial.


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 Hellebore wrote:
We don't know anything about tigermen and their susceptibility to chaos.

Isn't the new lore that there was a rift between these Cathayan tigermen and their kin, with the former going north to Cathay in the first place to avoid the latter who were becoming corrupted?

Definitely no immunity.

Edit: No, it says they went north to escape corruption, but doesn't say if anyone actually was. Means there was a risk, though!

Problem with these tiger men is that they are super generic, kitch and clean. Looks like something you would see in a cheap mmo or an AI slop that a kid made in a few minutes. Now, maybe the minis will look good (if minis of them there is), but the design, as shown, sure isnt exciting

The art style is really clean, compare it to the type of concept art that was being done for Warhammer Online. Though a clean aesthetic seems to be Cathays visual style. I think the design is fine, could make for some cool models..eventually.

 Hellebore wrote:
Because the why wasn't being criticized, the appearance was. furry as an insult is purely based on looks, not why you look that way.

In presentation, "furry content" is generally nice and bright and idealised, for obvious reasons. Beastmen and Skaven are off-putting, dark and debased. The why and the how are interlinked in this case.

 Hellebore wrote:
I find this criticism hypocritical.

I'm not sure whose post you're arguing with here, as I mentioned neither Chaos, nor the general level of hygiene of the Tigermen in mine.