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2026/02/18 09:41:52
Subject: Re:Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
Happy because those were already in the old lore (as long as they don't keep retconning, like they did with the relation between Northern tribes, silkd road, and Cathay).
Don't care about the possible minis because they will of course be too detailed and busy, like anything GW does nowadays.
2026/02/18 11:28:02
Subject: Re:Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
HE WHO BREAKS THE LAW, GOES BACK TO THE HOUSE OF PAIN!!
Additional Beastman are always a good thing. Along with the variety, there is no reason not to have them running around in packs, or if they are solitary, such as a great, or giant size monster, covering thier own territories, and taking all comers, it entirely fits in the Old World.
I'm all for them, but it also opens the door to reintroduce the old school schools of magic, Araby, the Tomb Kings, Dark Elves, Lustria, etc.
Additionally, different Beastman also give you more choices, such as lions, panthers, the old retry of the Rakshasa, and the idea of revamping Beastman to include meat eaters has never been a bad idea to me, seeing as we had discussions of them long ago, that ended up in other games, and companies. Thundercats came to mind for half a second, but my Beastman range from The Island of Dr Moreau,( hunched over, savage and animalistic, based on beasts and the savage lands of Northern Chaos Wastes at the top of the world. It only stands to reason that as they branch out, that different types of Beastman would be included into the range as they traveled and chaos expanded outward and into the other parts of The Old World..
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2026/02/18 15:17:54
Subject: Re:Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
This done correctly it could be a nice extension to Warhammer.
Years ago I picked up some Alkemy on deep discount from Miniature Market. Had a huge Asian theme army going for cheap. Nice models, good quality resin. They only had 1 or two of the Khaliman boxes at the time.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2026/02/18 15:37:27
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
His Master's Voice wrote: People absolutely had issues with Lizardmen when they got their big push in 5th.
And I'm rather surprised people are bringing up Beastmen and Skaven in the discussion. Both are fundamentally based on the debasement of the human form not just in visual terms, but at a deeper world building level as well. Those Tigermen come from a very different angle, and I can't say I'm particularly keen on yet another noble and bright addition to an already suspiciously sanitised faction.
Hopefully at least the models will be decent.
Because the why wasn't being criticized, the appearance was. furry as an insult is purely based on looks, not why you look that way. if you show death master sniktch to a lay person, they see a ninja furry. The greater meta context of his existence is irrelevant to the appearance of the model. He's a rat man in ninja gear with 3 swords.
I find this criticism hypocritical. Lizardmen and Halflings are immune to chaos and have been for decades. Ogres basically don't care about it. Dwarfs and elves have their own unique forms of corruption that don't look like chaos.
We don't know anything about tigermen and their susceptibility to chaos. Cathayans aren't immune to chaos or corruption. They don't look like they were born into gak and eat mud for breakfast, neither do elves or dwarfs. These arguments are always 'they look less gak than the empire, they are too noble and bright'.
I am far more interested in them because they AREN'T just another evil beastman faction. Another aesthetic beastman choice that is the same as all the others.
They actually brought something from the depths of WFB into existence and people still aren't happy because they've fetishised the mud slingling holy grail peasants as representative of the WFB setting. Even the dark elves and chaos dwarfs, while being eeevilll, are still clean. Only half of the bretonnian army is dirty.
Lizardmen and Hafflings are not "immune to Chaos" they are resistant, especially to corruption but they absolutely can be killed and transformed by powerful Chaos magic and effects - plenty of lore examples - esp with Nurgle's rot and the like. And of course a Chaos Warrior can absolutely smack a disgusting little ratling in the head and watch the horrid creature die. There are Chaos Ogres. probably Chaos Haflings but who cares about such pointless entities.
I would def agree that some people are obsessed with the low fantasy elements of one part of the Old World compared to the super High Fantasy of much of the rest.
The Tiger Warriors lore now specifically notes that they are worried that if their gods don;t protect them they will be corrupted by Chaos.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
I'm fine with new types of beastmen and fantasy races. With all the weird stuff in the Old World it'd be strange if the east didn't have it's share of weirdness too.
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Mr Morden wrote: Lizardmen and Hafflings are not "immune to Chaos" they are resistant, especially to corruption but they absolutely can be killed and transformed by powerful Chaos magic and effects - plenty of lore examples - esp with Nurgle's rot and the like. And of course a Chaos Warrior can absolutely smack a disgusting little ratling in the head and watch the horrid creature die. There are Chaos Ogres. probably Chaos Haflings but who cares about such pointless entities.
Halflings are immune to Chaos mutation. So says WFRP. Chaos things can kill them, but they can get rubbed with warpstone dust and just get a mild rash, not a new tenatcle.
EDIT: Wait, I mis-remembered the table; it's elves that never grow mutations, and Halflings that only have 10% of physical corruption.
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2026/02/18 18:24:47
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
Mr Morden wrote: Lizardmen and Hafflings are not "immune to Chaos" they are resistant, especially to corruption but they absolutely can be killed and transformed by powerful Chaos magic and effects - plenty of lore examples - esp with Nurgle's rot and the like. And of course a Chaos Warrior can absolutely smack a disgusting little ratling in the head and watch the horrid creature die. There are Chaos Ogres. probably Chaos Haflings but who cares about such pointless entities.
Halflings are immune to Chaos mutation. So says WFRP. Chaos things can kill them, but they can get rubbed with warpstone dust and just get a mild rash, not a new tenatcle.
WFRP1 said largely. And you could have mutated halflings in your champions retinue in RoC.
2026/02/18 18:27:07
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
Mr Morden wrote: Lizardmen and Hafflings are not "immune to Chaos" they are resistant, especially to corruption but they absolutely can be killed and transformed by powerful Chaos magic and effects - plenty of lore examples - esp with Nurgle's rot and the like. And of course a Chaos Warrior can absolutely smack a disgusting little ratling in the head and watch the horrid creature die. There are Chaos Ogres. probably Chaos Haflings but who cares about such pointless entities.
Halflings are immune to Chaos mutation. So says WFRP. Chaos things can kill them, but they can get rubbed with warpstone dust and just get a mild rash, not a new tenatcle.
WFRP1 said largely. And you could have mutated halflings in your champions retinue in RoC.
So what's WHFRP 2, 3, 4, etc have to say on the subject?
2026/02/18 18:30:05
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
Mr Morden wrote: Lizardmen and Hafflings are not "immune to Chaos" they are resistant, especially to corruption but they absolutely can be killed and transformed by powerful Chaos magic and effects - plenty of lore examples - esp with Nurgle's rot and the like. And of course a Chaos Warrior can absolutely smack a disgusting little ratling in the head and watch the horrid creature die. There are Chaos Ogres. probably Chaos Haflings but who cares about such pointless entities.
Halflings are immune to Chaos mutation. So says WFRP. Chaos things can kill them, but they can get rubbed with warpstone dust and just get a mild rash, not a new tenatcle.
WFRP1 said largely. And you could have mutated halflings in your champions retinue in RoC.
So what's WHFRP 2, 3, 4, etc have to say on the subject?
Don't ask me, I only have the 1st edition stuff. And I'm fine with it.
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2026/02/18 18:32:58
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
Mr Morden wrote: Lizardmen and Hafflings are not "immune to Chaos" they are resistant, especially to corruption but they absolutely can be killed and transformed by powerful Chaos magic and effects - plenty of lore examples - esp with Nurgle's rot and the like. And of course a Chaos Warrior can absolutely smack a disgusting little ratling in the head and watch the horrid creature die. There are Chaos Ogres. probably Chaos Haflings but who cares about such pointless entities.
Halflings are immune to Chaos mutation. So says WFRP. Chaos things can kill them, but they can get rubbed with warpstone dust and just get a mild rash, not a new tenatcle.
WFRP1 said largely. And you could have mutated halflings in your champions retinue in RoC.
So what's WHFRP 2, 3, 4, etc have to say on the subject?
WFRP 4th edition has corruption rolled by halflings only having a 10% chance of physical mutation (90% chance of madness, not that you'd notice).
In second, they auto-passed the first corruption roll per session.
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2026/02/18 18:45:31
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
streetsamurai wrote: Problem with these tiger men is that they are super generic, kitch and clean. Looks like something you would see in a cheap mmo or an AI slop that a kid made in a few minutes. Now, maybe the minis will look good (if minis of them there is), but the design, as shown, sure isnt exciting
It looks like all the other concept art made for WH3. It's just what their concept artstyle is like, and the game looks fine. Looks like the same concept artist behind a bunch of WH2 stuff too.
Compare to the concept art of the other Cathay and Kislev stuff. The artstyle is exactly the same. I figure it'll look more natural once it has a 3D model in the game.
This done correctly it could be a nice extension to Warhammer.
Years ago I picked up some Alkemy on deep discount from Miniature Market. Had a huge Asian theme army going for cheap. Nice models, good quality resin. They only had 1 or two of the Khaliman boxes at the time.
Brilliant collection there. I collected the Aurlock and it's one of those products that the quality was years ahead of its time... they used the best sculptors and the casts were super.
Kind of funny how GW still not that great with resins.
The old world is a magical place with Orcs, goblins, beasts of all sorts and chaos, like I said, a feline faction would be great if well executed.
Just in time - my painter I commissioned to paint my grand cathay army is just finishing up the main part of my army - gonna give her this army box after she's done to add some more shooting to it and magic!
ToW armies I own:
Empire: 10,000+
Chaos Legions: DoC- 10,000+; WoC- 7,500+; Beastmen- 2,500+; Chaos Dwarves- 3,500+
Unaligned: Ogres- 2,500; Tomb Kings- 3,000
Hotek: Dark Elves- 7,500+; High Elves- 2,500
40k armies I own:
CSM- 25,000+
2026/02/24 07:25:10
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
Mr Morden wrote: Lizardmen and Hafflings are not "immune to Chaos" they are resistant, especially to corruption but they absolutely can be killed and transformed by powerful Chaos magic and effects - plenty of lore examples - esp with Nurgle's rot and the like. And of course a Chaos Warrior can absolutely smack a disgusting little ratling in the head and watch the horrid creature die. There are Chaos Ogres. probably Chaos Haflings but who cares about such pointless entities.
Halflings are immune to Chaos mutation. So says WFRP. Chaos things can kill them, but they can get rubbed with warpstone dust and just get a mild rash, not a new tenatcle.
WFRP1 said largely. And you could have mutated halflings in your champions retinue in RoC.
So what's WHFRP 2, 3, 4, etc have to say on the subject?
WFRP 4th edition has corruption rolled by halflings only having a 10% chance of physical mutation (90% chance of madness, not that you'd notice).
In second, they auto-passed the first corruption roll per session.
So exactly what I said - Halflings and Ogres are resistant - not immune.
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
My contempt for these tigermen lies in the fact that they just look lame. I know all we've seen so far is glorified concept art, but come on. They don't look menacing! They don't look scary! They look soft and fluffy! That's not Warhammer! If you're going to have tigermen, at least depict them in a cool way. Screaming at the sky, splattered in gore, corpses piled high at their feet, that sort of thing. I guarantee you people would be a lot more receptive to Warhammer tigermen if they a) actually looked like Warhammer tigermen should look and b) were presented like Warhammer tigermen rather than... whatever it is they've got going on right now. WoW-adjacent aesthetic? I don't think that's an apt description. They're not even cartoony, cartoony can still be cool (see 4th-5th). That being said, I don't know if GW even has any artists, let alone sculptors, on payroll who can do these tigermen justice. But perhaps I'm just a hater.
2026/02/24 16:34:46
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
Almanack covering the new units in the reinforcement box going on preorder Saturday. What I find interesting here is this might be the first almanack where you don’t see JTY’s name or initials anywhere in the article.
ToW armies I own:
Empire: 10,000+
Chaos Legions: DoC- 10,000+; WoC- 7,500+; Beastmen- 2,500+; Chaos Dwarves- 3,500+
Unaligned: Ogres- 2,500; Tomb Kings- 3,000
Hotek: Dark Elves- 7,500+; High Elves- 2,500
40k armies I own:
CSM- 25,000+
2026/02/24 16:59:32
Subject: Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors
LorantheWise wrote: My contempt for these tigermen lies in the fact that they just look lame. I know all we've seen so far is glorified concept art, but come on. They don't look menacing! They don't look scary! They look soft and fluffy! That's not Warhammer! If you're going to have tigermen, at least depict them in a cool way. Screaming at the sky, splattered in gore, corpses piled high at their feet, that sort of thing. I guarantee you people would be a lot more receptive to Warhammer tigermen if they a) actually looked like Warhammer tigermen should look and b) were presented like Warhammer tigermen rather than... whatever it is they've got going on right now. WoW-adjacent aesthetic? I don't think that's an apt description. They're not even cartoony, cartoony can still be cool (see 4th-5th). That being said, I don't know if GW even has any artists, let alone sculptors, on payroll who can do these tigermen justice. But perhaps I'm just a hater.
A lot of modern fantasy art is very video game influenced I find. It's a generation of fantasy artists raised on copious amounts of fantasy art, getting further and further from any historical reference point.
Fantasy, at least since Tolkien, was always downstream from history. But as time has gone on rather than referencing real world cultures and history fantasy has begun to be self referential.
To be fair to GW, they're far from the worst with this. One of the reasons I can't get on with a lot of Kings of War stuff despite the nice prices is the obvious video-gamey non-functional nature of a lot of the armour and weapons for their miniatures. Age of Sigmar suffers from this as well, but less so overall. The Old World has always had it's share of silly cartoony stuff, but when something is rendered in a serious style you kind of expect serious thought into weapons, culture and so on.
That said, I don't find the Tigerman to be that bad. It's a bit "modern generic fantasy" but it's not the worst example of that I've ever seen.
