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2006/11/17 08:25:55
Subject: New WHFB Empire info
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Thanks to Mikecro on WargamerAU:::: ---------------------------------------------------- On Warseer, cookiescrumble wrote: So i read the Empire Army book... ... so i thought i would share the things that i remember. First of all, Characters. -There are 6 special characters, 4 Lord and 2 Hero. -The Lord ones are: Karl Franz (who can ride an Imperial Dragon ), Kurt Hellborg (sp?), Volkmar and Balthasar Gelt Emperor Franz costs 350, wears full plate, silver seal and runefang or Ghal Moraz for +30p. can ride empire dragon for +320p., griffin for +225p., pegasus for +50p., horse with barding for +21p. M WS BS S T W I A Ld Franz 4 6 5 4 4 3 6 4 10 -The hero ones are: Luthor Huss and someone else. -There is a new lord choice available, The Arch Lector. Core Units -Spearmen and Halberdiers are now 5pts each. -Swordsmen are 6pts each -Knights are still 23pts each and one unit can be Inner Circle. This unit becomes a special choice. -Hangunners, Crossbowmen, Archers and Free company are unchanged. Special Units -Greatswords are now 10pts each -Pistoliers are now 18pts each -New Unit, Outriders. These are basically Pistoliers that are 21pts each and have repeater Handguns. -Cannon and Mortar Unchanged Rare Units - Volley Gun is now 110pts and there is no short range (i.e all shots are S5, armour piercing.) Roll the artillery dice 3 times to see how many shots it fires. You then need to roll as normal on the crews BS to see how many hit. Then roll to wound. -New Rocket Thingy, thinks it is called Rocketstorm. This is basically a S5 Mortar. The initial guess is like a cannon, place the template after adding the artillery dice. Then it scatters like a Mortar -Flagellents. Before fighting a round of combat you can sacrifice D3 guys as Martyrs. Depending on the number that become Martyrs, they gain bonuses e.g Hatred and Re-rolling rolls to Wound, can't remember the 3rd. -Steam Tank. This now has S6, T6 and 10 wounds. Generates steam points before and this determines how far it can move. The steam point generation system has changed. It is not a Chariot as previously said. Other stuff: -Box sets of State Troops and Handgunners are boxes of 10 and are rumoured to cost £12 (AUS$30) a box. -There is a Mechanical horse that is available to engineers, this is a barded warhorse that does D3 S4 Impact hits. -Warrior Priests prayers are now Bound level 4, the arch lector can do 2 a turn. - There are 3 new Warrior Priest Models, 2 of them are cool but one of them has stupidly large Mickey mouse gloves on. <!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_348287-->
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2006/11/17 08:32:39
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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I'm going to be doing an Empire army as it was the first army I ever did way back in 1990.... Cheaper state troops! Heavy cav that isn't going up in price! Decent warrior priests and flagellants! And all the rest. GROOVY....
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2006/11/17 11:05:33
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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All cool, cept the mechanical horse thing seems weird.
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2006/11/18 01:44:36
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Yeah, but other than that? Sounds promising.
I kind of like the policy that they don't change too much from 6th to 7th edition.
And the steampunk stuff doesn't go too far...i feared Gw would go crazy with this one.
Greets Schepp himself
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2006/11/18 05:52:23
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Lieutenant General
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Posted by Waaagh_Gonads on 11/17/2006 4:25 PM There is a Mechanical horse that is available to engineers, this is a barded warhorse that does D3 S4 Impact hits. Thee is a picture of the Mounted Engineer on Mechanical Steed on page 142 of US White Dwarf #323 (Dec. '06). It's not a bad looking model. It looks more like a statue of a warhorse than a robot, with only a few exposed pistons on the legs that show that it's a mechanical steed. It will retail for $20.
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2006/11/18 09:46:51
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Araqiel
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Warseer has a scan of a picture of the mechanical horse. I think it looks really stupid. It looks like something you'd expect to see in 40k.
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2006/11/18 10:58:48
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Fixture of Dakka
Canada
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Well if you ignore the absurdity of a mechanical horse in warhammer fantasy then it looks really cool. But not empire. It is, however, a sweet model for an imperial guard army
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2006/11/18 11:19:28
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Can you link the pic?
And when does that army book come out...
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2006/11/20 04:54:29
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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While I think the idea is cool and the execution is nice, I wonder when I will ever want to have my Engineer charge into close combat... The Helblaster has simply become a sort of long-range Leadbelcher? Meh. Give up a special slot to take Inner Circle? Meh. Fast Cav with move-or-fire weapons... still trying to decide how well that will work. At least there is a use for my old outrider models again. Finally, a reason to field my 50-strong unit of Flagellants! As ever, I await the book with eagerness. These rumors do little to cheer me. Volkmar... herioc, pre-Storm of Chaos, War-Altar-riding stud; or broken, post-Storm of Chaos, I-was-Archaon's-Banner fanatic? And which sculpt would you prefer, anyway?
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He's got a mind like a steel trap. By which I mean it can only hold one idea at a time;
it latches on to the first idea to come along, good or bad; and it takes strenuous effort with a crowbar to make it let go.
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2006/11/20 05:37:51
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Araqiel
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Fast Cav with move-or-fire weapons... still trying to decide how well that will work.
Outriders sound tasty IMO. You can't think of them as fast cavalry, because they don't really serve the same purpose. Think of them as really mobile and sturdy missile troops who can, if needed, provide flanking. You march them up to a position and just let loose with your guns. The trade-off between barding and them being fast-cav is that with barding they're pretty resilient to shooting (4+ save) but cannot avoid combat as well.
The special slots are super competitive now... Cheaper greatswords, outriders, cannons, mortars and IC knights.
All the infantry is cheaper too, which is fantastic IMO.
On the whole, it seems like it will be a good book. They've ironed out some of the lame things from the old book (knight abuse, stupid stank rules) and added a few new things (rocket launcher, new flagellants, outriders)
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2006/11/20 06:29:28
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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What I love is that nobody said a thing when the orcs got the ironback boar..... which is a mechanical boar... not one eye was batted... but empire gets a mechanical horse.... oh no... that's absurd.
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Angron- crushing the theme and fluff of armies one horde at a time.
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2006/11/20 06:34:40
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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A very trenchant point!
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He's got a mind like a steel trap. By which I mean it can only hold one idea at a time;
it latches on to the first idea to come along, good or bad; and it takes strenuous effort with a crowbar to make it let go.
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2006/11/20 06:59:04
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Araqiel
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The ironback boar actually has a basis in the fluff, where the mechanical horse does not.
The ironback boar is a chaos dwarf creation, am I correct? The chaos dwarfs made both the hellcannon and the robotic mount for that ogre-kingdoms character, using demonic possession. Thus, there's some basis for the boar existing.
Then we look at the empire, for whom creating a steam driven tank is an incredible achievement which is seemingly impossible to replicate (there are only 8? steam tanks). Yet, despite this, they can create robotic horses that shoot lightning. It's a bit far-fetched.
Driving a land boat with steam powered locomotion vs. creating a working robotic horse. They're not even close to the same degrees of complexity.
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2006/11/20 07:49:37
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
The drinking halls of Fenris or South London as its sometimes called
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what doe sthis horse look like someone post a link pls.
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2006/11/20 08:09:36
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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MECHANOHORSE'SPLOSION Not really what I was expecting at all, and actually a little neat. The Engineer's hat however borders upon the vomitous ... - Boss Salvage
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2006/11/20 08:13:38
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Omnipotent Lord of Change
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Posted By fellblade on 11/20/2006 9:54 AM While I think the idea is cool and the execution is nice, I wonder when I will ever want to have my Engineer charge into close combat... I wondered that myself, but having seen the model now, maybe he scoots along with some (barded) outriders, so as to get his dakka on? That said, I actually kind of like the old dude on steed. Hack the thing off his head and I wouldn't mind running him ... you know, in the Empire army I'm not building - Boss Salvage
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2006/11/20 08:17:04
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Warseer has a scan of a picture of the mechanical horse. I think it looks really stupid. It looks like something you'd expect to see in 40k. And I bet you will see it ALOT in 40k...... BT "knight" bike squads and such. Or cooler IG rough riders.
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Hope more old fools come to their senses and start giving you their money instead of those Union Jack Blood suckers... |
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2006/11/20 09:28:59
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah, it's pretty dumb. A ways back USWD had a Clockwork Horse conversion made by a staffer - basically two wooden wheels underneath an Empire horse body. I liked that one a lot more - cruder but more charming than this. It was a Clockwork Horse, not a Robot Horse.
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2006/11/20 09:42:24
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Looks a lot like the horse from Galaxy Rangers. So GW is feeling the Steampunk heat, hunh? That is great, only if it means that someone if finally appearing competitive.
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2006/11/20 09:58:38
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
Illinois
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Posted By hubcap on 11/20/2006 2:28 PM Yeah, it's pretty dumb. A ways back USWD had a Clockwork Horse conversion made by a staffer - basically two wooden wheels underneath an Empire horse body. I liked that one a lot more - cruder but more charming than this. It was a Clockwork Horse, not a Robot Horse. That was a long time ago. Around the time of the Albion Campaign if memory serves. I think it was by Joe Sleboda. I thought it was rather neat at the time. Much better than this abomination at least.
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2006/11/20 12:41:15
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Plastictrees
Amongst the Stars, In the Night
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Posted By Kommisar on 11/20/2006 2:58 PM Posted By hubcap on 11/20/2006 2:28 PM Yeah, it's pretty dumb. A ways back USWD had a Clockwork Horse conversion made by a staffer - basically two wooden wheels underneath an Empire horse body. I liked that one a lot more - cruder but more charming than this. It was a Clockwork Horse, not a Robot Horse. That was a long time ago. Around the time of the Albion Campaign if memory serves. I think it was by Joe Sleboda. I thought it was rather neat at the time. Much better than this abomination at least.
It wasn't THAT long ago now was it? Albion was only, what, three-four years ago? :S I mean, it's bad enough I entered the hobby with Rogue Trader, but Albion is still fresh in recent memory! The S-Tank at least had one foot firmly in Fantasy land and the other stepping into Steam Punk word. Ditto with the Clockwork Horse, which was indeed pretty darn neat (crudely charming, as it was). But RoboTerminator Horse from the 41st millennium and his gatling gun & grenade launcher toting compatriots, amongst others, are sucking balls. But I guess GW is banking on the little kiddies not caring "Fantasy Mah-sheen Gunz! Kewl!1!one!! Iz Da empire like the Imperium? Who are the space marinez?!? Nites? Wut are those?"
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2006/11/20 12:58:58
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
In your house, rummaging through your underwear drawer
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I think it would be a lot easier to keep a clockwork horse(ostensibly a giant watch, you can see the winder on its tail) running than a giant Steam Tank, what with the steam gun and all...
As far as feeling the steampunk heat, GW has had the Steam Tank in miniature form long before Privateer grew a pair. I'm just hoping that it will lead to a Imperial Civil War of sorts, with one faction being the Engineering School with their guns and great wood-fuelled robots, and The Colleges of Magic with lots of spells and dragonriding and stuff and the third faction being the Church of Sigmar with suicidal flagellants and warrior priests, and lots of hammers.
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2006/11/20 17:35:43
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Posted By Jester on 11/20/2006 5:58 PM I think it would be a lot easier to keep a clockwork horse(ostensibly a giant watch, you can see the winder on its tail) running than a giant Steam Tank, what with the steam gun and all... As far as feeling the steampunk heat, GW has had the Steam Tank in miniature form long before Privateer grew a pair. I'm just hoping that it will lead to a Imperial Civil War of sorts, with one faction being the Engineering School with their guns and great wood-fuelled robots, and The Colleges of Magic with lots of spells and dragonriding and stuff and the third faction being the Church of Sigmar with suicidal flagellants and warrior priests, and lots of hammers.
why not compromise and unleash suicidal wizards who ride mechanical dragons?
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2006/11/20 17:51:49
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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I like the premise of the new Flagellant rules. I just wonder whether or not they'll be worth it.
Outriders sound cool but handheld gatling guns just don't do it for me.
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2006/11/21 01:27:50
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Well, my OG book is in the mail so I didn't know they got such things.
I am rather downtrodden over pistols not shooting in CC--I am definatly not getting pistoliers now.
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2006/11/21 02:21:27
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Bloodtracker
Seek and ye shall find
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Posted By Boss_Salvage on 11/20/2006 1:09 PM The Engineer's hat however borders upon the vomitous ...
That's not a hat - it's an undead targetting matrix. Just place an undead skull (still affected by necromantic magic, as seen by the glowing red eye) in the containment vessel. Now the repeating handgun's bullets fly around living units and plow into the undead. (Not that it gives a bonus or anything - but, hey, it sounds cool)
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2006/11/21 02:25:57
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Regular Dakkanaut
Webway
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Posted By Jester on 11/20/2006 5:58 PM GW has had the Steam Tank in miniature form long before Privateer grew a pair. Jester, you want to kill me. I laughed so hard I spilled tea all over the place. I think I'm with most of Dakka crew on the subject - this mechanical horse breaks the envelope of fantasy tech. If this iron donkey is able to move as fast as any barded horse, we've definitely entered realms of science-fiction.
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2006/11/21 08:56:12
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Regular Dakkanaut
California
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What? You mean in the medieval times they DIDN'T make their horses partly mechanically?
Liar.
Chuck
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2006/11/21 12:18:48
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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it's a "magic" mechanical horse pffffttt! that solves everything!
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2006/11/21 12:21:12
Subject: RE: New WHFB Empire info
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
In your house, rummaging through your underwear drawer
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Not magic, Enlightened Science.
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