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It sounds like everyone has too much time. OK I made a mistake, who wants to call the police?

Nobody cares if you make a mistake.

But if you've been gaming for 20 years as you claim, you're old enough to not behave like a petulant child when someone points it out...

Give it up mate, its a dead issue.

Who is really being silly here?

Mom, Dad, stop it!  I hate when you fight!



...

Wha?  I dozed off there, what happened?

When I think about the word "snigger", characters the likes of Wormtongue and Renfield come to mind.

Malefic, pathetic, debased and scorned.

But thats just me.

Ummm, Mods, could we please get this thread back on track re Reecius's brilliant info re the Apocalypse rulebook, and forthcoming releases / rules?

I actually WAS enjoying it, before one member decided to try and antagonise everyone who was trying to help him.

Cheers,

Padre^.

I have a rules question regarding Apocalypse.

For special character use (or special unit use):

1) Does the player ignore the "must be in a XXX army of 1500 points" or do you need that 1500 points to use him?
2) Can you take two or more of him?

I understand Apoc ignores FoC, and I simply assumed (and will continue to do so) that it ignores special character requirements as well.

My assumption is that any entry (unit or character) is an island unto itself, and available for Apocalypse. Ignoring all FoC consideration and/or army special rules for deployment. I just wanted confirmation on that

It would be nice if you could get a chapter specific Battle Company, but I'm guessing that's not in the cards? In any event, the $450 price appears to perfectly cover the infantry in the set, leaving you with 8 "free" Rhinos and a "free" Razorback. Not a bad deal given it's GW, but seeing as how I already have enough Marines to field two Battle Companies already...

dieneske: The only restriction on Apocalypse is that the games are 3000 points. If you wanted a 3000 point army of Abaddons, you could take it. Actually, that sounds like kind of fun....

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Posted By Ozymandias on 08/24/2007 8:59 AM
dieneske: The only restriction on Apocalypse is that the games are 3000 points. If you wanted a 3000 point army of Abaddons, you could take it. Actually, that sounds like kind of fun....

Ozymandias, King of Kings

I have a bone of contention with that.

From what I have seen from people who have held this tome in their hands, the 0-1 restriction is lifted, but not the 1 restriction.

As in, "You may only ever have have one of X in your army" type of thing.

Although, who knows until we have book in hand.

But even I who sees vast potential in apocalypse has to admit that numerous clones of special characters is kinda stretching the limits of logical credibility, even for GW standards.

the book says the only real rule for force org is that you must obey rules for a squad.

for example

the squad must be the correct size and have only the option allowed in the codex, ie. no 10 man termie squad with all assault cannons, or 6 special weapon sm squad, etc.

other than that, you can put down whatever you like.

Hellfury,
My desire wasn't for multiple special characters. As you have noticed, I have a soft spot for Shrike's Wing. I want to know if I could have two. I don't want 5 Abaddons or 3 Living Saints (though mult. Living Saints might be fun and fluffy...what says Apocalypse more than multiple Greater Avatars of the Emperor Hisself).

As Reecius states, the Unit itself is inviolate (so much for my 5 assault cannon Termie unit being official, though it would be officially awesome). That makes sense, and still allows plenty of flexibility.

Phil Kelly mentioned having multiples of the same special character at LA GD so I am going off of what he said there. He also said that it wouldn't make sense.

Note, you wouldn't actually be using 10 Abaddons, you would be using 10 uber-Chaos Lords who all happen to have the same stats and equipment as Abaddon. That's how I would justify it from a fluff perspective (not that I'd ever take 10 Abaddons...).

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Posted By Reecius on 08/24/2007 9:29 AM
the book says the only real rule for force org is that you must obey rules for a squad.

for example

the squad must be the correct size and have only the option allowed in the codex, ie. no 10 man termie squad with all assault cannons, or 6 special weapon sm squad, etc.

other than that, you can put down whatever you like.

Hmmm... would that apply to units like Armored Fists?  For example, would you still need to field 1 Infantry Platoon per Armored Fist platoon?

Nope.
But each armored fist platoon would have to have 10 men, 1 chimera and only one special and one heavy weapon, etc.

Posted By Padre on 08/23/2007 6:14 PM

 

Also, going back a couple of pages, I'm pretty sure that Forgeworld have confirmed / commented that a Reaver Titan will be released sometime towards the end of 2007

Padre^.

anybody verify this?  Link etc

Hi Beef,

From memory, I actually read that rumour in a post here at Dakka which was a round up of FW rumours from a Games Day, but can't for the life remember which one.

I did a bit of research - Here's a link to a 40K Online thread which discusses the Reaver in connection with the Adeptus Mechanicus IA Book (about halfway down the page.

 http://www.40konline.com/mos/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=861&?topic=139878.msg1743575;topicseen

Hope this helps, interested to see if you can find any further confirmation (I love my Armorcast Reaver, but FW is nice stuff...shame it's exorbitant.)

EDIT - here's another link:

http://www.tv.com/users/TheEmpsChamp/profile.php?action=show_blog&entry=m-100-24986203

Cheers,

Padre^.

I have a question regarding the Necron Army. Have they been given anything new in the Apocolypse Codex besides the crazy special rule regarding the monolith phalanx?

They get a Pylon as well. Plus, every army gets new background material.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

So,

So,

So,
Does anyone have confirmation of which Titans are supported in Apocolypse?

From the various posts I think: Ork Stompa, Warlord and Warhound?(I haven't heard anything about Eldar)
Does the Necron Pylon sort of count as thier Titan thingie?

Hey Reecius, did you happen to glance at the Strategic Assets section? I'm looking over the leaked Datafax for the Battle Company and can't figure out what the "Careful Planning" rule does. Any ideas?

Yeah, there were rules for the warhound, warlord, two types of stompas, one normal one for a big mek, and the eldar reveneant (with pulsars or sonic lances). There was also the tyranid hirodule and Heirophant.

and Bigred, i honestly can't remember what the careful planning strategic asset did, i will check though next time i am in the store. There were a ton of strategic assets, i couldn't remember them all unfortunately.

thanks for the link padre

Beef,

Anytime - just hope the rumours turn out to be true.

Argggh, what am I talking about ? ...can't justify buying a Forgeworld Warhound, let alone their no-doubt-impressively-expensive version of a Reaver... 

Just a question though...can anybody out there tell me anything about the Warlord Titan datasheet in Apocalypse? (Apart from the fact it's big...)

Cheers,

Padre^.

9 structure points, 6 void shields, 2500 points, two torso weapons, two arm weapons and some deffensive weapons two IIRC.

the thing was slowed powerful.

I really need to start the "buy Toreador a reveneant fund". I have always wanted one, and now I have yet another reason to get one. Sigh.... I hear they kick butt in apoc too.

It just makes a lot of the things I want to do with Forgeworld items so much more tempting.

I used to have an Armorcast revenant, a shame now that I ebayed it a while back

Honestly, I'd be scared to use a FW titan in a game.. with my luck it'll get knocked off the table and shatter into a million pieces.

The way my luck goes though, I would be the one knocking it off the table. If I am going to be knocking it off a table, I just as well be playing with it rather than just destroying a display.