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Your opponent is going to love you.
I can't see many ways to have fun in this system without a massive investment of cash and time unfortunately.
Footslogging orks will die in droves in this game, and that is boring enough in normal 40K. I don't need to get extra dead in apocolypse. And wagering for start time sucks for high model count armies- cos MEQs needed more buffs yeah?
So to have fun I'd either have to buy a bunch of kans and dreads and stompas and squiggoth and a converted baneblade and some battlewagons and stuff, and then paint and convert them, and then find an opponent with a similarly sized force, and then remove most of it on the first and second turns? Nah, no thanks. I can do narrative games and house rules myself (and frequently do!) and it's cheaper and quicker than the apocolypse route.
I'm sure it'll be right up some people's alley, but I have limited storage space, money and time. Not for me, sadly. I'll read the book though, as it sounds fun.

With less time in life we tend to gravitate to these style of games when we get together anyway. 4 player games are the fix so we can all hang out and play. Apoc pretty much gives us a rules set that makes this better and allows us to just throw everything into our games that we want.

I think Apoc pretty much gives everyone something fun and a new way to play and socialize.

It kind of sounds like Apoc is pretty much what you want to make of it, or put into it.

Posted By syr8766 on 08/19/2007 8:20 AM

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 08/19/2007 7:44 AM

Hmm, Dakkites praising a new GW product?

(looks out window)

Yeah.  Thought so.

I guess Chinese food is different in China than America...  

Yeah but on the minus side it's hard to find buffalo wings.

Toreador: Good for you!
I'm geniunely happy that a lot of people are gonna have fun with this, that's what wargaming is all about.
Just not for me, at this stage in my life anyway.
Come back to me if I ever get my damned doctorate.

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 08/19/2007 5:51 PM

Posted By syr8766 on 08/19/2007 8:20 AM

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 08/19/2007 7:44 AM

Hmm, Dakkites praising a new GW product?

(looks out window)

Yeah.  Thought so.

I guess Chinese food is different in China than America...  

Yeah but on the minus side it's hard to find buffalo wings.

How hard is it to find a guy in China to take a stick of butter and mix it with chili peppers and slather it on your meat?

Burgeoning superpower my muscular buttocks...

Posted By Jester on 08/19/2007 6:11 PM

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 08/19/2007 5:51 PM

Posted By syr8766 on 08/19/2007 8:20 AM

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 08/19/2007 7:44 AM

Hmm, Dakkites praising a new GW product?

(looks out window)

Yeah.  Thought so.

I guess Chinese food is different in China than America...  

Yeah but on the minus side it's hard to find buffalo wings.

How hard is it to find a guy in China to take a stick of butter and mix it with chili peppers and slather it on your meat?

Burgeoning superpower my muscular buttocks...

If he wants that slathered on his meat I'm sure he can pay extra for it in Singapore...

Reecius - The person in question may have been reliable in the past, but don't forget you are getting info from a Retail employee - the most notorious of the GW pantheon for incorrect information! :-)

Believe me, the first thing I asked when I saw the Stompas were if they were the kit and the studio said no. Same for the Ork models. As I mentioned, I recently saw pictures of the new Truk and Bikes and they are awesome (IMO). I love the new Truk and what you can do with it.

Jeff

Posted By Jester on 08/19/2007 6:11 PM

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 08/19/2007 5:51 PM

Posted By syr8766 on 08/19/2007 8:20 AM

Posted By Kid_Kyoto on 08/19/2007 7:44 AM

Hmm, Dakkites praising a new GW product?

(looks out window)

Yeah.  Thought so.

I guess Chinese food is different in China than America...  

Yeah but on the minus side it's hard to find buffalo wings.

How hard is it to find a guy in China to take a stick of butter and mix it with chili peppers and slather it on your meat?

Burgeoning superpower my muscular buttocks...

WHOOSH!  is the sound of a joke going over Jester's head like some bewinged buffalo.

Flying Buffalo genocide is no laughing matter, Kyoto-sama.

Damn, i was hoping they were the real deal, that was honestly the first thing i looked for in the book when they told me they were legit. but oh well, thanks for clarifying Jeff, and so long as the real things are looking sweet then i will be happy in the end. Orks will be the next army for me so long as the rules give them a fighting chance. I have always been an Ork lover at heart all these years.

I seriously hope they do make the Stompa though, the rules for it were just so awesome.

As far as game play goes, i think you can pretty easily play one on one at 3K using Apoc rules and be done in 3 hours easy (and i play slow). If you use some big stuff, like Baneblades and such, EVERYTHING dies like foot slogging orcs. when you have a strength D 10" pie plate to throw around, MEQ's get it just as bad as Orcs, so it may be fun to give them a taste of their own medicine.

As for me, I will only add probably another platoon to my IG for Apoc games, i really cant be bothered to paint more than the 100+ infantry i already have. I will just get more tanks of the flavors i always wanted but never bought because i felt like i hade the most efficient ones for 2K play already. Now i will get some cool Forgeworld variants to use in Apoc that i always wanted to get anyway and then build and pain them in leisure time for fun.

My marines only need two more squads to form a full battle company and then some, so why not? I dont mind painting a few more guys just to say i have a full battle company of my own chapter, that would just be fun, IMO.

Also, i could grab a Greyknight squad or sister squad for flavor, hell, i will run all 4 assasins or something just because i like the models and want to paint them up. I will have an inquisitorial X-Man team.

I know i am falling for the marketing ploy but screw it, i like the models, the game is fun and what else would i spend the money i dont put into savings on?
Booze that's what, so GW may actually be saving my liver!

Posted By Abadabadoobaddon on 08/19/2007 5:26 PM

I want to take an army consisting of Abaddon the Despoiler and that's it.  I will spend the rest of my 3000 pts alottment on orbital bombardment.   Since Abaddon will start the game in reserve I will wager "0 minutes" for my set up time.

(This would probably work better using unit of Swooping Hawks with Skyleap, but I think it's funnier with Abaddon.)

Whoah, sweet idea! I'm gonna do the same thing except with O'Shovah. It'll be like a gundam episode except his armor's not made with unobtanium or whatever the hell it is so he'll die in one shot.

Well I think this book sounds great.  My gaming group and i have been playing for many many years and we all have so many models its rediculous.  We probly have at least 10 guys that have over 10000 points of stuff.  I will definately be picking up the book at some point.

We have also been running big games once a year for 5 years now i think.  Our last one had 8 players per side with 5000pts a player.  We had flyers and titans and vdr vehicles.  We always try and balance it every year with fluff and rules to make the battles fair.

I alone have 8000pts of Iron warriors.  I like that i'll be able to use all 5 of my predators without worrying about force org.

Thanks for the sneak peak!

"Damn, i was hoping they were the real deal, that was honestly the first thing i looked for in the book when they told me they were legit. but oh well, thanks for clarifying Jeff, and so long as the real things are looking sweet then i will be happy in the end. Orks will be the next army for me so long as the rules give them a fighting chance. I have always been an Ork lover at heart all these years."

Reecius, way to spread totally wrong information.  You falsely claim conversions are new releases leading to a series of arguments/debates on a number of boards and your response when you're proven wrong is, "oh well"  Tuff Git on the Waaagh converted those Stompas.  Consider your old source completely unreliable.

Tazok, don't blow a gasket. Did you forget to douche or something? Do you want Reecius to flagellate himself? He just shared what someone he trusted said...there was no malice. It was a mistake.

Take a deep breath,
Chuck

I think it would be interesting to play night fight during the first three turns to see how things would play out. Surgical strikes by terminator units to take out artillery. Movement involving assault squads, rough riders, bikes and more would be really cool to see in preparation for the onslaught.

I believe our group will put a time limit on turn or parts of turns. For example - movement. You have 5 minutes to move anything in your force. Once that time limit is up, none of your other forces can move. Same thing for assaulting. Firing may take a little longer (ie: 15 minutes). That would keep the game moving.

To speed things up you could probably also do movement trays especially if you have a lot of infantry .. doesn't have to be anything special just a piece of cardboard or something, so you can still bunch them up for assaults and stuff. Even at 2k points my movement phase was long when I would play with lots of gaunts

I for one am relieved that those awful things aren't the actual stompas. I've also still got some reservations about apocalypse in general... I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Oh and don't mind Tazok. He gets pissy like that sometimes. Reminds me of the time I asked about one of his conversions...

Posted By dienekes96 on 08/20/2007 8:20 AM
Tazok, don't blow a gasket. Did you forget to douche or something? Do you want Reecius to flagellate himself? He just shared what someone he trusted said...there was no malice. It was a mistake.

Take a deep breath,
Chuck

 

Who's blowing a gasket, it was quite obvious from the beginning they were conversions.  Forgive me for holding people accountable for their false statements.  He could of spent a minture or two researching the issue on the waagh and known who did the conversions, but I guess it's just better to make gak up (or be a insufferable troll Chuck) then report accurate info. 

Posted By Inquisitor_Malice on 08/20/2007 8:22 AM
I believe our group will put a time limit on turn or parts of turns. For example - movement. You have 5 minutes to move anything in your force. Once that time limit is up, none of your other forces can move. Same thing for assaulting. Firing may take a little longer (ie: 15 minutes). That would keep the game moving.

Great if everyone in your group plays Marines. It sucks for Ork or Guard players though.

Posted By Tazok on 08/20/2007 10:00 AM 

Who's blowing a gasket, it was quite obvious from the beginning they were conversions.  Forgive me for holding people accountable for their false statements.  He could of spent a minture or two researching the issue on the waagh and known who did the conversions, but I guess it's just better to make gak up (or be a insufferable troll Chuck) then report accurate info.

Tazok, the thread was about the book.  If it had been about the Stompas, I wouldn't have said anything.  You jumped into a macro-conversation confrontationally about a minute part of the thread - and essentially called him a liar after he already apologized for making a MISTAKE.  Why should he go to the Waaaagh to verify facts...he's not a journalist.

If you're not a journalist then its okay to make stuff up? 

As to it being a minute detail, I disagree.  Let's see  he said,

"The stompa in the new WHite Dwarf is the real stompa and seeing more pics, i like it now. the yellow paint job in the dwarf just sort of sucks. The stompa will be released too, along with codex orks, it is not a pipe ream. Also, the thing is so cool! it has just plain crazy guns that not only wreck shop, but are oh so orky. The "psycho dakka blasta" is a gun the fires once per game, but it is str 7 Ap3. It is a giant gattling shoota that is heavy 2d6. you fire it at a squad, then pick the next nearest squad and keep hopping squad to squad untill you roll doubles! the thing put out 43 shots in a game we played! after that it is out of ammo, but the stompa has a ton of other guns too, all that kick ass. There are two versions of it, the second being the big mek version (the stomp with no horns in the white dwarf) that is the same basic vehicle but has a lifta dropps instead! yes! if you remember that gun from 2nd ed, it is a blast. you use it to pick up enemy tanks and then smash their own units with it, just a very fun unit.

the gargantuan squigoth is in, crazy amount of wounds and toughness and carries a ton of big guns and 20 orcs, treated as open topped for assault and embarking.

*there are pictures of the new Orc bikesin the book too, and they look awseome! Like little choppers, and every third or so bike has a unique body. it looks like you can build lots of different bikes with modular parts, so each one is fairly unique. The Ork warboss on bike is mean looking, with a sleeker bike and a big power claw. Compared ot the old bikes, they are about 100 times an imporvement. The new truk is just fantastic too, it looks like a big half trak but orkified, and a gorgeous model. the buggies are vastly improved too. i would say that they are some of the coolest looking models i have seen in a while, and are very Orky."

For all we know an official stompa is a pipe dream.  The two stompas he said were the official release are just conversions and the entire third paragraph about all the new ork stuff is just completely wrong (nothing he saw from the orks was new).  Chuck your statement about minute is about as well thought out as GW's rules.

 

Okay, Tazok, exactly what service to the Dakka community have YOU provided? Calling someone out for errors after they've been previously identified, admitted to, and apologized for adds nothing to the discussion. You are flamebaiting here and nothing else.

Sorry Breotan, I haven't gotten around to contributing to that all important GW Survivor game that you find all so important.

 

 

Sounds like the newest version of Epic.

Is it really that big of a deal?

Wow, tazok, what do you want Reecius to do? Should he come to your house and bow down in apology? He passed along some info, it turned out to be wrong, and he apologized for it. Its over, and you are just looking to pick a fight. Sometimes people post information that's incorrect. That's why this forum is called News and Rumors, not News and Confrimed-info-that-I-can-back-with-two-games-developer-sources. Chill, thank Reecius for spending all that time posting what he learned, and then apologize for being a troll.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Ah ok, you got me Tazok. My grand, diabolical scheme to misinform my fellow gamers has been foiled!! I find it fun to go out of my way to make up elaborate bs because I have nothing better to do, what with a 50+ hour a week job, social life and all the toher bs life throws my way.

For one, I have never even heard of the Waggh website, so how in the hell would i know to double check anything on it.

And for two, why would i doubt what i was told i was looking at in the damned book? If GW staff pull out a new codex and show you a picture of a new model you have never seen and says, that is the new model for this army, why in the hell would i question it at all, or go to some obscure, unoffical website to double check that info? That is a down right stupid thing to say.

So buddy, I so deeply apologize for trying to give everyone a taste of what the book is like, next time ill call you and ask you if i should post anything, because i would hate to offend your delicate sensibilities.

Or better yet, next time, you can take your advice and shove it straight up your arse.

Posted By Reecius on 08/20/2007 11:50 AM

Or better yet, next time, you can take your advice and shove it straight up your arse.

Hey, you live in California!

You don't get to spell it that way!

All kidding aside, thanks for posting what you did, as it was the first "review" of the Apocalypse Book that I saw online...

[[Am I the only one who isn't impressed or excited about this?

With a full time job, family, and other interests, I barely have the time to play the typical two hours game every couple weeks. ]]

Well I doubt I'll play any of the huge battles either. But the rules and mission options (especially the lack of force org) sound interesting enough to apply to smaller games. I'd be happy with a 2,000pt game that adds maybe one large vehicle/creature unit per side.

The last two flaming posts deleted.

Tazok and Reecius, you can both consider yourselves warned for flaming.

Drop the subject.

For the record, in the opinion of this moderator Reecius made an honest mistake and apologized for it before Tazok started the fight.

I?m leaving the other posts in place for now, but no more discussion over the mistakes/misinformation about the Ork stuff is needed. Any further posts on that subject are subject to deletion and the posters may incur further disciplinary action.