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Emperors Faithful wrote:Melta is a bit risky to take in a vehichle against that many wraithlords. Still a 50-50 chance of failing to wound and they have 3 wounds each.

Also, monstrous creatures generally pawn against vehichles.

Predator (with lascannons) is a good choice as you only need 3s to wound it.



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Brightlance would decrease your armour to 12 anyway so lose the raiders and get more predators.

Except the wraithlords that I set up had EML and scatterlasers.

Oh, well in that case you fail unless you get into close combat. Machine Spirit may make it dificult, as they can move full speed and shoot at BS2.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Melta is a bit risky to take in a vehichle against that many wraithlords. Still a 50-50 chance of failing to wound and they have 3 wounds each.

Also, monstrous creatures generally pawn against vehichles.

Predator (with lascannons) is a good choice as you only need 3s to wound it.



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Brightlance would decrease your armour to 12 anyway so lose the raiders and get more predators.

I didn't take the LR for the combi melta, I took it because EML's need 6's to glance it, and there is the small matter that it has 2 TL lascannons. The melta is just the sugar on top. If he took BL's too then of course I wouldn't spam vehicles but that would be another matter entirely.
*As Willydstyle already pointed out*

Foldalot wrote:In response to those nasty Wraithlords I would offer:
1 CSM Land Raider, combi Melta
1 CSM Predator with TW Las, Las Sponsons, Combi Melta

I also receive 10% bonus points for matching your points exactly.

Two units of 5 fire dragons in wave serpents w/ EML, spirit stones.

willydstyle wrote:
Two units of 5 fire dragons in wave serpents w/ EML, spirit stones.

3 Units of 2 Warwalkers, all with two EML's

That one's iffy, as it causes on average one pen against wave serpents per turn, but I'll give it to you 3 units rather than two was the smart move.

So: two units of two obliterators. I even dropped the points by 100

willydstyle wrote:That one's iffy, as it causes on average one pen against wave serpents per turn, but I'll give it to you 3 units rather than two was the smart move.

So: two units of two obliterators. I even dropped the points by 100

Haha, yea was a bit too close for my liking but theres something about 12 EML's.....

hmmmm I suppose

2 veteran squads in chimeras each with 2 plasma guns.

I assume the Oblits deepstrike and then destroy both chimeras, the vets will then bail out and hopefully knock down two oblits in one turn.

Foldalot wrote:

willydstyle wrote:That one's iffy, as it causes on average one pen against wave serpents per turn, but I'll give it to you 3 units rather than two was the smart move.

So: two units of two obliterators. I even dropped the points by 100

Haha, yea was a bit too close for my liking but theres something about 12 EML's.....

hmmmm I suppose

2 veteran squads in chimeras each with 2 plasma guns.

I assume the Oblits deepstrike and then destroy both chimeras, the vets will then bail out and hopefully knock down two oblits in one turn.

Haha, against chimera spam I never deep strike my oblits: lascannons are pretty solid against AV 12... also the plasma guns don't cause instant death. If I did deepstrike, I'd try to hit between 20-24" on the side armor, and just do str 8+d6 against side armor 10 on the chimeras.

willydstyle wrote:
Haha, against chimera spam I never deep strike my oblits: lascannons are pretty solid against AV 12... also the plasma guns don't cause instant death. If I did deepstrike, I'd try to hit between 20-24" on the side armor, and just do str 8+d6 against side armor 10 on the chimeras.

I remembered the lascannons about 10 seconds after I posted my little assumption, look what 5th ed logic made me do: tank=> melta hur hur.
You win this time

Calgar in sundays best with assault marines telis next to olbits and guns them with his suped up ap2 storm bolters and the pistols from the squad 3 of which are plasma, then they weather the fire next turn he charges and beats the living crud out of them.

Yes, because that's worth around 300 pts...

Kogwar wrote:Calgar in sundays best with assault marines telis next to olbits and guns them with his suped up ap2 storm bolters and the pistols from the squad 3 of which are plasma, then they weather the fire next turn he charges and beats the living crud out of them.

Mekboy wrote:Yes, because that's worth around 300 pts...

Doesn't even work that well either. It kills maybe one obliterator, then they get hit with 3 plasma cannons, as the oblits walk backwards, possibly delaying assaults for a turn. After massive amounts of plasma fire, Marneus is likely the only survivor, and he stands a good chance of dying to powerfists.

willydstyle wrote:

Kogwar wrote:Calgar in sundays best with assault marines telis next to olbits and guns them with his suped up ap2 storm bolters and the pistols from the squad 3 of which are plasma, then they weather the fire next turn he charges and beats the living crud out of them.

Mekboy wrote:Yes, because that's worth around 300 pts...

Doesn't even work that well either. It kills maybe one obliterator, then they get hit with 3 plasma cannons, as the oblits walk backwards, possibly delaying assaults for a turn. After massive amounts of plasma fire, Marneus is likely the only survivor, and he stands a good chance of dying to powerfists.

Not to mention there's about a 50% chance of him scattering into something (like your oblits) and then a 1/3 chance to lose the entire squad.

My counter to the Oblits:
3 units of 2 Broadside Battlesuits with Multi-trackers.
6 TL railguns shots, and, IIRC, 30 SMS shots.

Compared to... 6 lascannon shots, or 12 TL plasma shots if you're super-close?

Battlesuits win due to superior range, and better weaponry (though they lack enough versatility that the next person to post is gunna beat them with something half the points)

10 Bloodletters.

Deep Strike 11" away, watch 4 of your guys get plinked, WTFPWN with the remaining 6.

Like 1/3 the points of the Oblits.

Guard infantry platoon. 2 squads of dudes w/14 lasguns, 2 auto cannons and 2 plasma guns. Platoon command w/ 2 plasma guns. FRFSRF. 42 s3 bs3 shots, 12 str7 shots. These might be a daemon left to retaliate. Nice 5+ saves you have there! Wait, we have 5+ saves? uh oh!

A single LR Eradicator.

If you are far enough away that will work. In that case, Snikrot & Co.

Kungfuhustler wrote:If you are far enough away that will work. In that case, Snikrot & Co.

I disagree. LR moves straight towards the middle of the table until snikrot shows up, the it kills all the orks before they can do anything to it.

Killakan with grotzooka

45 points

Spellbound wrote:Killakan with grotzooka

45 points

Multimelta attack bike.

Guard infantry platoon.

Nobody_Holme wrote:Guard infantry platoon.

Minimum 130 pts >> 50 points.

I'm still going to say that a unit of Sternguard with Pedro Kantor in a Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer is the best unit that can be played. Admittedly, it will be expensive, but then again, what else can capture points and easily kill CSMs?

MC

Chaplain and 5 a termis 3 with thammers 3 with lcs in a landraider padro dies.

extermikator wrote:I'm still going to say that a unit of Sternguard with Pedro Kantor in a Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer is the best unit that can be played. Admittedly, it will be expensive, but then again, what else can capture points and easily kill CSMs?

MC

Kogwar wrote:Chaplain and 5 a termis 3 with thammers 3 with lcs in a landraider padro dies.

10 Destroyers (the first one is so points-crazy that you could get 14 destroyers...) will take on either of these. Glance the Landraiders till they die, then play keep-away from the contents.

Land Raider would still win, as it would only take two turns to get close. Meanwhile, there'd be so muc firepower coming from the back you wouldn't know what came from where!

MC

extermikator wrote:Land Raider would still win, as it would only take two turns to get close. Meanwhile, there'd be so muc firepower coming from the back you wouldn't know what came from where!

MC

Destoyers can move 12 and shoot 36"... a landraider can only move 12" per turn. You can do the math.

destroyers... sooo overpriced! 90 pt lascannons... Brain hurts now.

Kungfuhustler wrote:destroyers... sooo overpriced! 90 pt lascannons... Brain hurts now.

You're thinking heavy destroyers. Destroyers are 50 points, heavy destroyers are 65.

willydstyle wrote:

extermikator wrote:Land Raider would still win, as it would only take two turns to get close. Meanwhile, there'd be so muc firepower coming from the back you wouldn't know what came from where!

MC

Destoyers can move 12 and shoot 36"... a landraider can only move 12" per turn. You can do the math.

Land Raider can move 12" and shoot 48"
You do the math.