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Attack bike with multimelta is 50 points, try again.

45 point Killakan with grotzooka

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Canonness Rory wrote:
Land Raider can move 12" and shoot 48"
You do the math.

Destroyers>>>>Math
Move 12" and shoot 48", thats one twinlinked BS 2 Shot? Against 42 shots that can all hurt you. On average 4.67 glancing shots a turn compared to about 1 kill per five turns (after WBB). Yea, nice.

Alright, we have 45 point kan.

Just for fun, how about 1 tyranid warrior with +1S, scything talons, flesh hooks & rending claws and wings to boot.

43 points
18" assault
4 attacks on the charge
Rending
Immune to instant death

your math has a very big % error, I mean for starters how are you ever going to be in range? He moves 12 you move 6. Also no WBB from double toughness, and its BS 4 now in the new codex. Just saying.

Who are you referring to? The land raider vs. destroyer?

yermom wrote:your math has a very big % error, I mean for starters how are you ever going to be in range? He moves 12 you move 6. Also no WBB from double toughness, and its BS 4 now in the new codex. Just saying.

Ok, I have probably screwed up my maths some where, I was in a hurry when I did it this morning. Now lets get a few things sorted. Destroyers move 12" and can shoot after doing so. Destroyers have Range 36" guns (also they would be in 3 different squads all capable of turbo boosting so good luck trying to stay out of range) . Destroyers are toughness five, nine is not double five. Also I don't have the most recent space marine codex so I don't normally question what others say but you haven't being accurate yet so I want to clear it up. If a vehicle moves 12" it cannot normally fire any weapons but I believe that the Machine spirit can fire one weapon at BS 2 even after moving. That is what I based my calculation on as I assumed the Raider would be driving at the Destroyers to drop off its cargo. If it just sits back and shoots it doesn't out damage the destroyers either, 4 glancings (on average) a turn will turn that tank into swiss cheese just through weight of fire.

*If some one would clarify the way to calculate the chance to hit with a twin linked weapon for me that would be great. *
In this case BS 2 and twin linked I think produces hits 55% of the time wounds 5/6 and WBB negates it 1/2 of the time
=> 0.23 chance of a Destroyer death each turn if Land raider moves more than 6".

The power of the machine spirit lets it fire at BS4.
I have the codex right in front of me.

Yeah, only the old Codex had BS2 PotMS.

You can't shoot if you've turbo-boosted, so unless the game's CaC, there's no point in turbo-boosting

MC

Canonness Rory wrote:

willydstyle wrote:

extermikator wrote:Land Raider would still win, as it would only take two turns to get close. Meanwhile, there'd be so muc firepower coming from the back you wouldn't know what came from where!

MC

Destoyers can move 12 and shoot 36"... a landraider can only move 12" per turn. You can do the math.

Land Raider can move 12" and shoot 48"
You do the math.

Most people don't take regular ol' land raiders, and two lascannon shots per turn, which MIGHT kill 2 destroyers, who stand a good chance of getting back up, it's not going to kill all the destroyers before it is immobilzed with all its weapons blown off.

No, it's not a normal LR, sorry if I confused anyone. It'd be a LR Redeemer, with EA and HK missile on the side.

MC

extermikator wrote:No, it's not a normal LR, sorry if I confused anyone. It'd be a LR Redeemer, with EA and HK missile on the side.

MC

If it's a redeemer the destroyers take it down for sure.

But can't you corner them but getting the guys INSIDE to run around? force them to a table edge or something?

willydstyle wrote:
If it's a redeemer the destroyers take it down for sure.

QFT
I think this match up has being done to death anyway now so.....
I offer this new setup:
2X 10 Dire avengers with Exarch (2* Catapults) and Bladestorm in 2 waveserpents with Twin linked Brightlances. Move 12" back, shoot BL's, destroy tank, swoop in, unload dual bladestorms.
Beats the old setup for a fraction of the cost (550) and also offers a new challange to pick at. GO!

Wave serpents are tough because they're not easily exploitable by special rules (read: melta)...

3 exorcists.

3 outflanking scout squads with melta bombs and a pfist.

Kogwar wrote:3 outflanking scout squads with melta bombs and a pfist.

This is auto-lose.

Exorcist player starts in the middle of the table.

You come on and run.

You get shot, exorcists move away 6".

You run.

You get shot exorcists move away 6"

You Run. So far you've made it almost 24". The exorcists are currently about 48" from the board edge you started on. You've sucked up on average 21 Str 8 AP1 shots... I think your scouts are beginning to look a bit ragged, and you catch up to the exorcists with about 5 more turns of running (on average). Good luck with that.

Since the previous poster didn't post a unit to beat and only whined about the poster before him, he auto-fails, and I beat him.

For the next poster....

A broadside team (2+ armor saves) with 2 shield drones (4+ invulnerable saves) taking STR10 AP1 twin-linked shots at you. A bit less than 200 points.

willydstyle wrote:

Kogwar wrote:3 outflanking scout squads with melta bombs and a pfist.

This is auto-lose.

Exorcist player starts in the middle of the table.

You come on and run.

You get shot, exorcists move away 6".

You run.

You get shot exorcists move away 6"

You Run. So far you've made it almost 24". The exorcists are currently about 48" from the board edge you started on. You've sucked up on average 21 Str 8 AP1 shots... I think your scouts are beginning to look a bit ragged, and you catch up to the exorcists with about 5 more turns of running (on average). Good luck with that.

Well if we get to choose deployment then I'll deep strike 6 raveners w/2 sets scything & rending and deathspitters for 330 points. I won't kill the redeemer but I'll kill scouts and exorcists, especially against their rear armour, whether shooting or with my 18" assault move.


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Dashofpepper wrote:Since the previous poster didn't post a unit to beat and only whined about the poster before him, he auto-fails, and I beat him.

For the next poster....

A broadside team (2+ armor saves) with 2 shield drones (4+ invulnerable saves) taking STR10 AP1 twin-linked shots at you. A bit less than 200 points.

Here's one just for fun... Assuming a normal board with normal terrain, 12 ripper bases with strength upgrade and leaping. +1 to their cover saves, hit & wound on 4's, 3 wounds per base and even if I lose 3 or 4 I'll still have plenty of wounds to spare.

Against Grunt's Raveners...

12x Firewarriors - (120)
Devilfish - Smart Missile System, Flechette Dischargers, Disruption Pod, Target Array (125)

Against Grunt's Ripper Swarms...

1x Hellhound (not a guard player so don't know how points look)

Against either, outflanking or scouting genestealers (depending on deployment):

Extra carapace & feeder tendrils x16 of them @ ld 10.

And against your genestealers, a single crisis suit with an airbursting fragmentation launcher; large blast template, ignores cover. Jump shoot jump.

I see, but I have a question before we move on... I couldn't find it in the big rulebook so here goes: What's the AP of frag launcher? If it's 5 my stealers are still coming at you because I gave them extra armour and I'm moving an average of 9" per turn, have enough guys spread out in a line, which will eventually trap you somewhere.

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:I see, but I have a question before we move on... I couldn't find it in the big rulebook so here goes: What's the AP of frag launcher? If it's 5 my stealers are still coming at you because I gave them extra armour and I'm moving an average of 9" per turn, have enough guys spread out in a line, which will eventually trap you somewhere.

That's pretty much how it will play out. AFP is str 4 AP5, large blast, 18" range (it's a barrage weapon as well).

So basically he'd get within 18", shoot at one stealer, since they're all in a line you hit no more than 3, possibly scatter terribly, maybe wound 2 or 3 and kill 1 per turn. After 3 turns he's backed up to the board edge and by about turn 5 in CC and probably dying.

Do I have that somewhat right?

If I'm right should we move on to what'll destroy a giant unit of genestealers?

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:So basically he'd get within 18", shoot at one stealer, since they're all in a line you hit no more than 3, possibly scatter terribly, maybe wound 2 or 3 and kill 1 per turn. After 3 turns he's backed up to the board edge and by about turn 5 in CC and probably dying.

Do I have that somewhat right?

If I'm right should we move on to what'll destroy a giant unit of genestealers?

Land Raider Redeemer.

Also, I think Destroyers would make pretty quick work of them...

Lets go ahead and say Destroyers

Well I've already mentioned the redeemer, but the destroyers are an excellent choice!

Hmmm, so we have 300 some points of destroyers. I would go and say ripper swarms again but that's already been done. 3 wounds, mounds of cover saves, etc. So with that being out due to repetition, how about a unit of infiltrating striking scopions with an exarch that's toting a powerfist for only 200 points!

willydstyle wrote:

Kogwar wrote:3 outflanking scout squads with melta bombs and a pfist.

This is auto-lose.

Exorcist player starts in the middle of the table.

You come on and run.

You get shot, exorcists move away 6".

You run.

You get shot exorcists move away 6"

You Run. So far you've made it almost 24". The exorcists are currently about 48" from the board edge you started on. You've sucked up on average 21 Str 8 AP1 shots... I think your scouts are beginning to look a bit ragged, and you catch up to the exorcists with about 5 more turns of running (on average). Good luck with that.

Not with shrike in the army and if i force you to the middle of the table, it just puts you closer to my main force and the fire you spend on my 85 point group of scouts ( who i forgot to mention have camo cloaks) that stick to cover ( HA HA 3+ COVER BABY) buys my other units ( such as a landraider with atermis moving torwards you with there fun hammers) some time to get to you. GO FUNEL EFFECT!


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Grunt_For_Christ wrote:Well I've already mentioned the redeemer, but the destroyers are an excellent choice!

Hmmm, so we have 300 some points of destroyers. I would go and say ripper swarms again but that's already been done. 3 wounds, mounds of cover saves, etc. So with that being out due to repetition, how about a unit of infiltrating striking scopions with an exarch that's toting a powerfist for only 200 points!

Oh sry someone already used that, and amarines with Khan in a free rhino with pfist sarge and 3 plasma.

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