IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE IRONY IS HARD

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**Emperors Faithful**

My heart bleeds...

**Sirius42**

Finally a chance for gw copywright/legal to shine (edit: for the masses of ripping off the GW website), that new bit at the top was an extra special bag o crazy.

**Emperors Faithful**

eh?

**Oldgrue**

Victis Honor wrote:... playing to war games ... is perhaps not the better way to end violence in this world..

Because negotiating always works.

Its amazing the cognitive dissonance in the rest of the blog too.

**Victis Honor**

Because negotiating always works.

I can make the same bitter non constructive comments : Because violence always work?
If you really think it is the case, you must have a sad life.

Beside, if you are already in a negotiation mode, then you have already started a kind of hostilities. When it comes to war, and when it looks like the last solution, I do not see any problem with it. The problem may be before that, when countries start not to recognize other countries the right to do things like they want. There were a few wars lately in this world that could have been avoided with a little more tolerance and a little less warmongering.

I agree with the fact that her way of thinking is not very normal, but taking all her comments and saying all is stupid is exactly coming to her way to present things. You cannot start criticizing all without thinking a minute to see if there may not be some good points in the reasoning, even in remote places. If you start doing that, and just be injurious and untolerant, you give her a point, and a big one.

**utan**

Michael Moore smells a new film...

**Marshal2Crusaders**

Victis Honor wrote:
Because negotiating always works.

I can make the same bitter non constructive comments : Because violence always work?
If you really think it is the case, you must have a sad life.

Well, Violence lessens the number of participants. Less participants=less opinions. Less opinions=more cooperation. Although humans are so obstinate, I think if only two were left, we would have differing opinions.

Quit the political bull

. This is a forum for toy soldiers, not real life. If I wanted to read bull

about real life, I'd buy a newspaper or go to a news website. This place is hardly qualified to be the gathering of masters of global politics and right and wrong, or is it the place to discuss PERSONAL opinions on just war.

**Emperors Faithful**

Cunfucious say; he who play wargames is also planning global domination...

**Oldgrue**

Victis Honor wrote:
I can make the same bitter non constructive comments : Because violence always work?

At some point a conflict has to escalate to a point where no one gains before negotiation is possible. In the same vein, Craziness is equally unacceptable. Declaring one philosophy superior to all others consistently devolves to violence as well. Its the balance that is important.

That said, the lady is genuinely crazy. No matter how many good ideas she has, that blog keeps laying out equally unrealistic and constricting ones.

**ryzouken**

Historically, violence has resolved more conflicts than any other method of resolution. Negotiation, appeasement, blackmail, threats, none have been as effective as violence.

War never changes... Warhammer changes every few months or so.

And yeah, that site is pretty far on the crazy spectrum... It's also been on every 40k forum I've seen. Seems insulting your target audience works, a bit. (thought obviously she has other target audiences beyond we wargaming mongers.)

**Emperors Faithful**

I have to agree with ryzouken, if 2 cavemen were to argue over something, they wouldn't talk it out, one would smack the other over the head.

That said, I really don't think Warhammer is a breeding ground of madness and evil. Eccentric mabye, but not evil.

**Teh_K42**

Being essentially a caveman with toy soldiers and an internet connection, I take offense to that statement.

It seems strange that after a long, single-minded hate speech that didn't even vaguely attempt to be objective (although there were alternative perspectives below the article) the author launched into a tirade about how the media was brainwashing the US.

As other posters have already said, whatever fragments of reasonable thought exist there are buried beneath the weight of her unreasonable tendency to view the world in moral black and white.

**gretar**

Five words :

This guy is so stupid

**combatmedic**

The one of many down sides to free speech. There are upsides of course.

Just like any great unit, looks great until you read a little deeper, then that big negative just overshadows everything.

**dumplingman**

I laughed, that just made my day.

**Ratbarf**

Eh, just nobody tell Germany or Australia, they seem to like banning things for questionable content. ie; the GTA series, anything with a Swastika, etc etc.

**Marshal2Crusaders**

I thought the Swastika had been banned in Germany for a long time?

**ungulateman**

Along with the retitling the second line of Risk to "Liberate the World", banning any sort of Holocaust denial and effectively outlawing race supremacy groups.

In Australia, the main problem's one big fancy hard-right winger from South Australia who happens to veto anything related to changing the ratings board to allow anything useful, like an R rating for games.

**Emperors Faithful**

OMG!
I hadn't even realised that the first post was link! How dumb. (look sheepish)

After reading though, I begin to think it is more and more of a joke. I have never, in ANY of the books, read of shooting pregnant women.
Also, they are versing DEAMONS/BUGS and Orks which defintiley = bad. I see her (is it a her) argument when it mentions killing rebels and traitors though. I must say, it is a bit OUT there, isn't it?

**namegoeshere**

The onion should hire her

**Emperors Faithful**

onion?

**BloodofOrks**

http://www.theonion.com/content/index

If this is new for you then prepare for a treat. They update nearly every day.

**Emperors Faithful**

hmmm, random yet slightly entertaining.

**carmachu**

Victis Honor wrote:
Her explanation mail is far more constructive, and better written. She has a point saying that our letting young kids playing to war games (being the one we play or other ones, being toy soldiers or toy guns) is perhaps not the better way to end violence in this world.
seems a little stretched to me.

No, she's still an idiot. Thats not a valid point.

There isnt violance in the world because I play 40k or played with toy guns as a kid. Its caused by adults doing adult things with ideology or religion or other factors.....not make believe violence.

**Cheese Elemental**

Ratbarf wrote:Eh, just nobody tell Germany or Australia, they seem to like banning things for questionable content. ie; the GTA series, anything with a Swastika, etc etc.

Australia's game censorship isn't that bad. F.E.A.R 2 was banned before release due to intense violence, but was later released with an MA15+ rating. I could understand why GTA is cut over here. I mean, a game in which you can conduct terrorist acts on the masses? Sounds reasonable to me.

**Orkeosaurus**

I take it you've never played SimCity?

**Emperors Faithful**

What does simcity have to do with swastika/GTA/F.E.A.R 2/ or 40k?

**wittzo**

Corum wrote:

Well, I'm not going to hide all my models in the basement or wotnot, but I do live in that part of the country that has more than its fair share of Bible beaters.

A common story from southern childhood (although it could be from anywhere religion goes awry) runs roughly thus:

"I was around 11-13, and me and my friends started playing D&D. It was a blast. We got the rulebooks with allowance money (or as gifts from our cooler extended family - lots of families have the 'cool uncle' that left home at 17) and wrote up our own scenarios. We played D&D for a whole summer. Then my (mother in law/grandmother/aunt that I lived with) read an article in the (church newsletter/700 Club magazine/ Newspaper) talking about what D&D was. I used to store my D&D stuff under my bed. One saturday, I came back from a trip with family to find my stuff missing and a bonfire in the back yard....she said it was for my own good, cause that stuff was from the devil."

Just replace D&D in that sentence with 40k stuff (which is, what, 10x more expensive?) and you can see why this shouldn't be entirely regarded as a joke. I can just picture someone's granola-eating-hippie stepmom throwing out all their 40k stuff one day "because it wasn't spiritually healthy".

P.S. Before you ask, no, I didn't have this happen to me. My parents were pretty cool about it, but my dad did raise an eyebrow after seeing Mazes & Monsters. I told him, "Dad, that's the guy from Bosom Buddies, he doesn't do serious movies."

Something similar happened to my ex-wife when she was a teen. It was the season for the churches to spread the propaganda that Heavy Metal was Satanic. My ex-mo-in-law believes everything that's in the church bulletin (and everything she reads in her e-mail). My wife came home to find her room trashed. They took all of her posters, t-shirts, tapes, records, CD's, everything that wasn't country or gospel and burned it in the backyard, even ELO and Journey?!?

We don't have to watch our backs that much now, but we're still paranoid because we come from the generation that suffered from the generation before us that believed everything they saw or read in the paper or on the pulpit. I reckon now if a kid brought a Space Marine to school to show off, they would get busted for weapons zero tolerance. If it can happen to a GI Joe figure, it can happen to a figurine.

**Gwar!**

HAHAHAHAH! The Website got hit by the Lawyerhammers

**Million**

THIS IS HOW THEY GET YOU. THIS IS HOW THEY GET TO YOUR KIDS WITHOUT YOU EVER KNOWING IT

Amazing