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There are moments of compassion in 40k.
Such as the Sisters Hospitalier looked after wounded soliders/civilians.
Some cases where guard/marines give up thier lives so refugees can escape (see Battle for Armgeddon).

There are stories of Mateship (catachan), Honour (marines), guile (eldar). But ultimately 40k teaches us that it is a savage world(galaxy). And that all that we can hope to achieve is really survival (hard to face up to that is)

darkkt wrote:Actually, I have a lot of sympathy for the sentiment in this webpage, particularly:
What is not explained, is what is so good about having unwavering faith in the Emperor? Why would anyone want to do that? What's so hot about the Emperor that you'd give up your own one-time-only life, as a unique irreplaceable human being, and instead of exploring the world and enjoying life you shut off your brain and become the extension of somebody else's will.

Really, open your eyes people, dont blindly follow the emperor's mandates - Rebel against the oppression and rage against the Machine Spirit.

Consider giving up on this mind control, and enjoying the freedoms, liberty, and ability to choose that comes with dedicating your souls to the chaos gods.

Tzeentch - Change you can believe in.

You are a gentlemen and a scholar.

Heresy! You shall doom all of mankind to the ashes of history with your self-indulgence! Only through duty can humanity hope to survive! We are only as strong as our weakest link. That is why the weak link must be ostracised and purged!

This are srs thread

I think she has a point, but that she also lacks perspective.

The politics of 40k are horrifying, but so is the 40k world.

In our world (that is, the actual real world, and generally the US, Western Europe and AUS/NZ within that world) believing in the religious desirability of daemonic rule is (at worst) bad manners to bring up at parties. In the 40k universe it can be a literal gateway to the possession and destruction of the entire effing universe.

The principles of liberal democracy simply don't apply to a world with actual magic, actual psychic powers and actual daemons.

Just my .02.

Clearly playing space marines is a gateway to becoming a full blown fascist.

Absolutely amazing.

But doesn't everybody turn into a psychopathic killer after playing a game of Warhammer 40,000? All that dice rolling and rulebook consulting, my mind is just racing with images of violence and bloodshed.

/endsarcasm.

I know I do. After a game, I cut myself and drink my blood till I puke, then I go on a killing spree with a chainsaw. Stay out of my way, man!

I will draw fire for this post, but hey, let's be fair I think she has some points.

Not on the main stupid page about 40K, on her comments that should not be so cynics if she wants to be listened.

Her explanation mail is far more constructive, and better written. She has a point saying that our letting young kids playing to war games (being the one we play or other ones, being toy soldiers or toy guns) is perhaps not the better way to end violence in this world.

She also have a point in saying that going to war serves some people, who are not the one dying doing the war usually. Wars are made for high ranking people benefits, and it is the grunt who pays with his life or sanity.

Now, she lacks a lot of realism on the real human nature, which is naturally turned to violence, especially with boys more than girls (even if my sister was playing orks ). Her vision is totally unrealistic and utopist. But we need this kind of people to remind us from time to time that all is not about killing and war and hurting people.

She also may want to consider that even checks are a war game, and one that is said to develop intelligence and logical thinking, and that is only one example.

For her conspiration theory (she calls that conspiration facts, that she is not interested in theory but talks only about facts), I do not buy it... letting people play war games to produce more soldier vocations in the future seems a little stretched to me.

he didnt even try to convince us that it was wrong
not that it is

but he could have wrote it better not just rant on and on
lame

and throughout the entire thing he never mentioned orks or chaos, if he thinks the imperiums bad how do you think he'd react to plants that love killing stuff and each other
and crazies that get pleasure (you know) from killing others?

he needs a good palm strike to the face......from a space marine

She's cast her reel into the deep end of the loony bin for a lot of this stuff. Makes me want to step outside of my apartment and scream "Blood for the Blood God!" just to spite her.

Clearly.



CK

Always some nutcase making the rest of us leftists look like loony morons. Honestly, the rest of the webpage seems to be well-intended but it looks it was made by a high schooler who just discovered 'rebellion,man'. That would be expected though I'm quite sure this person is older than that. There's always been hysteria around gaming but this is the first I've ever heard these things leveled against 40k.

As a longtime gamer and sci-fi/fantasy buff and a committed progressive/leftist/what have you, I feel it necessary to tell you all that I am a plant working for the Big Liberal Agenda to undermine all the hard work GW has done to turn you into mindless killing machines. Get out now while you still can!

What a second? Who was the one who said 40k is the step to making us soldiers?

Kind of hard to make the connection between killing a greenskin ork and killing another living breathing human being. (and you can't just say "thier heretics!")

Emperors Faithful wrote:What a second? Who was the one who said 40k is the step to making us soldiers?

Kind of hard to make the connection between killing a greenskin ork and killing another living breathing human being. (and you can't just say "thier heretics!")

And Commissars headshotting their own dudes isn't much of a recruitment poster either.

hmmm, indeed...

For a while, I was getting a little upset. I'm one of those greasy little liberals that gave money to Public Broadcasting; so the name of the hosting site made me sad, until I saw the following:

"THIS WEBSITE IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CONNECTED TO THE
FAMOUS TV NETWORK "PBS". THEY WOULD HATE THIS PLACE."

Small font, lower left hand corner, hard to read color.

Wot a bunch of jerks.

I Lol'd.

Oh btw, are those things she's written at the top new, looks like the opening barrage she got from wargamers blew her socks off.

Best. Thread. Ever.

Edit: Also, I would like to see a tinfoil hat orkmoticon as well.

i to would like to throw my support behing the tinfoil hat orkmoticon movement.

foil hats for everyone!!!!!

[Assume french accent]Viva Les Tinfoil 'Ats [End french accent]
The foil hat is an idea of pure genius

I'm just surprised we don't have a /tinhatork/ orkmoticon already, considering how ALL of our rumor threads end up the same way. Which is to say, everyone making predictions, and most of those predictions are frankly, hyperbolic paranoia.

"The DoD is flirting with the idea of medicating soldiers to desensitize them to combat trauma -- will an army of unfeeling monsters result?"

You should read some of the other articles on the sight. I really think this is Dale Gribble.

Ratbarf wrote:

"The DoD is flirting with the idea of medicating soldiers to desensitize them to combat trauma -- will an army of unfeeling monsters result?"

You should read some of the other articles on the sight. I really think this is Dale Gribble.

Couldn't be. Didn't you see the episode where he renounced conspiracies? Also, Dale Gribble is usually more creative than this.

Someone is upset over the latest price increase.

LiterateWolf wrote:Someone is upset over the latest price increase.

LOL!!!!!!

But, on a more serious note, I was wondering: how could somebody create such ridiculous theories about brainwashing and stuff? Who the heck is that paranoid that toy-soldiers means government plan for deadly army? I mean, COME ON!!! Nobody could take this quack seriously... right?

Is anyone here ACTUALLY taking it seriously?
Probably not...

Ahhhh,

Don't you just love the "Defender of the Righteous" Complex people develop. That damn near constant need to "fight the evils of today" and build for a "moralist tomorrow". Remember, if they say it's bad, then it's bad. Why, because it is. Because they say so. Because they see the need to have to persecute, flame, and rage against all "Pure Evil". Why? Because today is a corrupt one, and to blindly stride forward and rid the world of corruption is their duty. Remember kids, Video Games, Warhammer, Violence in General, and anything we don't see as wholesome is bad and rotten. And you'll contract a disease if you do it.


It's really funny how people have stereotypes, and at the same time many people see stereotypes as derogatory and untrue.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Is anyone here ACTUALLY taking it seriously?
Probably not...

Well, I'm not going to hide all my models in the basement or wotnot, but I do live in that part of the country that has more than its fair share of Bible beaters.

A common story from southern childhood (although it could be from anywhere religion goes awry) runs roughly thus:

"I was around 11-13, and me and my friends started playing D&D. It was a blast. We got the rulebooks with allowance money (or as gifts from our cooler extended family - lots of families have the 'cool uncle' that left home at 17) and wrote up our own scenarios. We played D&D for a whole summer. Then my (mother in law/grandmother/aunt that I lived with) read an article in the (church newsletter/700 Club magazine/ Newspaper) talking about what D&D was. I used to store my D&D stuff under my bed. One saturday, I came back from a trip with family to find my stuff missing and a bonfire in the back yard....she said it was for my own good, cause that stuff was from the devil."

Just replace D&D in that sentence with 40k stuff (which is, what, 10x more expensive?) and you can see why this shouldn't be entirely regarded as a joke. I can just picture someone's granola-eating-hippie stepmom throwing out all their 40k stuff one day "because it wasn't spiritually healthy".

P.S. Before you ask, no, I didn't have this happen to me. My parents were pretty cool about it, but my dad did raise an eyebrow after seeing Mazes & Monsters. I told him, "Dad, that's the guy from Bosom Buddies, he doesn't do serious movies."

Corum wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Is anyone here ACTUALLY taking it seriously?
Probably not...

Well, I'm not going to hide all my models in the basement or wotnot, but I do live in that part of the country that has more than its fair share of Bible beaters.

A common story from southern childhood (although it could be from anywhere religion goes awry) runs roughly thus:

"I was around 11-13, and me and my friends started playing D&D. It was a blast. We got the rulebooks with allowance money (or as gifts from our cooler extended family - lots of families have the 'cool uncle' that left home at 17) and wrote up our own scenarios. We played D&D for a whole summer. Then my (mother in law/grandmother/aunt that I lived with) read an article in the (church newsletter/700 Club magazine/ Newspaper) talking about what D&D was. I used to store my D&D stuff under my bed. One saturday, I came back from a trip with family to find my stuff missing and a bonfire in the back yard....she said it was for my own good, cause that stuff was from the devil."

Just replace D&D in that sentence with 40k stuff (which is, what, 10x more expensive?) and you can see why this shouldn't be entirely regarded as a joke. I can just picture someone's granola-eating-hippie stepmom throwing out all their 40k stuff one day "because it wasn't spiritually healthy".

P.S. Before you ask, no, I didn't have this happen to me. My parents were pretty cool about it, but my dad did raise an eyebrow after seeing Mazes & Monsters. I told him, "Dad, that's the guy from Bosom Buddies, he doesn't do serious movies."

See? Blind fanaticism IS the answer to everything! Or is it just a road to disappointment.

LOL


This is crazy.