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MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Kiss my arse

The kingdom of Cornwall was at war with Wessex before there was a nation called England. Our borders stretched as far as Bristol at one stage.

Thats probably how the war started. A little boasting about lagers. A little drinking then a Kiss my arse then out come the pointy sticks...

THe same "war" starts every friday night in pubs all over the british nation.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
The kingdom of Cornwall was at war with Wessex before there was a nation called England. Our borders stretched as far as Bristol at one stage.

For the benefit of our overseas readers, that's about as far as from the botom of your stairs to your front door.

I believe you serve burgers larger than this area.

Besides, any fule kno' Mark of Cornwall swore fealty to Arthur and therefore Cornwall is as integrated into the Uk as the other bothersom...errrr valued partners in or country.

whatwhat wrote:THe same "war" starts every friday night in pubs all over the british nation.

As Viz reliably informs us, Pint and a Fight? GREAT BRITISH NIGHT!

Don't be soft, have a fight. This message was brought to you by the British Pagga Assosciation.

All this talk of beer makes me realize, I can't boycott Ireland(the lower portions) so in its place I am boycotting all of australia except for steve irwin because he was cool may he rest in peace.

reds8n wrote:

Besides, any fule kno' Mark of Cornwall swore fealty to Arthur and therefore Cornwall is as integrated into the Uk as the other bothersom...errrr valued partners in or country.

In Arthur of the Britons, Mark of Cornwall was played by BRIAN BLESSSSSED, I believe this a further sign of the BLESSSSSED one's divinity.

(other interesting Brian Blessed facts include: He is a lifelong friend with Patrick Steward, He was the voice of Admiral Constantine in WH40K Firewarrior).

Back to it though, Arthur was a Briton, since you lot are Saxon, all bets are off.

whatwhat wrote:THe same "war" starts every friday night in pubs all over the british nation.

And thats why Britain remains a great nation.

MeanGreenStompa wrote: I believe this a further sign of the BLESSSSSED one's divinity.

Worringly, he's also playing Odin in the Thor movie....

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halonachos wrote:All this talk of beer makes me realize, I can't boycott Ireland(the lower portions) so in its place I am boycotting all of australia except for steve irwin because he was cool may he rest in peace.

Dude! Just boycott France. Everyone else does.

Why boycott France?

1. It's France.

And I don't need to supply any more reasons because the first was so awesome.

halonachos wrote:The guy was a hacker who hacked US military and NASA information and may have deleted some crucial information. Not only that but it cost about $700,000 to find and repair the issues.

He shut down a navy base and left messages on the machines. like this one:
"US foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these days? It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand-down on September 11 last year...I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.”

The guy attacked the US government and the US government is fighting back. Oh he has aspergers, big deal, I work with people who have aspergers and they can function normally in society.

In order for there to be grounds for an extradition McKinnon must have caused $5000 or more or damage or loss at any one offense or caused bodily harm. So the DoD upgrade costs to account 5K for every computer.

Its a case of wounded pride for the US military thats all. there was an Israeli citizen doing much more, Israel refused to extratide him and the US backed down. McKinnons case is an example of the New Laba' regime bending over backwards, being the self interested spinless little feths they are.


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whatwhat wrote:Again, the aspergers issue wasn't the point. The point was the US has declared he will be punished for drawing out the extradition process, i.e. punishing him for exercising his right to an appeal.

You said it yourself...

LuciusAR wrote:The really Inronic thing is that has he cooperated in the first place his sentence would now long be over and he would be home a free man.

I agree that Aspergers shoulsd not have been used as the public defence. There are far better points to raise, such as the insistance that McKinnon did 5k damage per computer. There is no evidence for that, he hacked into the computers and left messages, he didnt blow them up. The totals are indicative that there is good evidence to suspect that the charges against him have been balooned, and thus he will not get a fair trial. That alone is good grounds for dismissal.
That is plain to any lawyer not under government dictat to bend over and give the Americans what they want. Which is pretty much what Brown/Blair have been doing time and again since 97.

Funnily enough the septics used the 'unfair trial' excuse, based mainly on race fear, not to extradite known IRA terrorists who has escaped from prison. The hypocrasy is sickening, especially regarding this weeks events.

Frazzled wrote:Can't do the time don't do the crime.

What crime, to what time? Its would be like giving you 6 years for jaywalking, you would complain even if the case stuck.

Elessar wrote:
Gravy...IMO that's more an English thing, for the sheep they steal from the Welsh, and the pies from the Cornish.

I'm kidding, the Cornish aren't and have never been a nation.

From my experience with British people, Wales doesn't matter either. Ever since the Statute of Rhudland they have ceased to matter. The whole crowning of the Prince of Wales was a big you to the Welsh anyway. I have heard from both Englishmen and Scotsmen that the sheep are more valuable than the people of Wales. As one old Scottish gentlemen told me on a train in Glasgow, "There's two things lad that you can't tell a Welshman: First that they don't matter, but they really don't, and second that they can't play rugby, but they really can't."

of course there is a bit of ribbing between the welsh and english. But that there is all dumb gak.

JEB_Stuart wrote:From my experience with British people, Wales doesn't matter either. Ever since the Statute of Rhudland they have ceased to matter. The whole crowning of the Prince of Wales was a big you to the Welsh anyway. I have heard from both Englishmen and Scotsmen that the sheep are more valuable than the people of Wales. As one old Scottish gentlemen told me on a train in Glasgow, "There's two things lad that you can't tell a Welshman: First that they don't matter, but they really don't, and second that they can't play rugby, but they really can't."

Welcome to my gak list.
I may not be Welsh but I recognise my celtic brothers identity as a nation and a people. Just as I understand the identity of Tibet.

You do not have a grasp on the facts. Your national identity is a couple of centuries old, ours are thousands of years of history, my people were mining tin and trading with the phoenicians when Rome was a mud hut village on the Palantine Hill.

Kernow bys vikken!

Hahaha don't kill the messenger! It isn't my fault this is the only exposure to British attitudes towards the Welsh!

No, it's actually just a load of balls m8.


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Believe it or not you've actually just expressed the opinion of some stupid underclass biggot. Not the opinion of the British majority.

Actually, one of the people I was referring to was my British history professor from the West End who was educated at King's College. I wouldn't really consider him a lower class bigot, now the older Scottish gentlemen...maybe...And lets be honest, they were both probably joking, as was I...I don't really see how offensive this could be....

Welsh people are part of the nation as a whole in the same manner as surviving Native Americans are US citizens, Burgundians are French etc. and established before either case.

It might have been unjust when it happened, but to sever that Union out of 'fairness' would entail cause to call for the dismantling of the overwhleming majority of nation states on earth. Should Americans 'go home' to whichever parts of Africa or Europe they came from?

There is no terrorism, the most you get is a bit of banter over sporting occassions.

Welsh-English rivalry is somerthing best left unstirred because there is no hatred, baring the odd nutcase, no oppression, just one nation state. If a decent man from Wales rose up to be Prime Minister the vast majority of Englishmen would not have a moments problem with his identity. Kinnock was Welsh, he was Labour party leader before Blair, he was defeated quite narrowly in the polls - and the fact that he was Welsh made not a jot of difference to English voters, even amongst his opponents.

There is no uneven exploitation of the Welsh or lower access to rights. Its interesting that JEB seems to have got his idea of English mentality from a Scotsman. Now there is a genuine undercurrent there between the English and the Scots, one that surfaces a lot, and some Scotsmen might - if being unfair - might try and say 'this is what the English think/do' and paint Wales as a playground of human misery. I have relatives in Scotland and being English there is increasingly unpleasant, he is an elected councillor. People are frequently asking online whether English should be tolerated to hold office? If you removed the word English and replaced it with 'blacks' the comments would read as definate cases of racism, but because they are raised against the English its almost seen as alright.

If you trace my family far back enough, I'm technically descended from King Alfred the Great. What's even funnier is that my ancestors, and his descendants were scottish nobility for a time. We even got a coat of arms.

Orlanth wrote:There is no uneven exploitation of the Welsh or lower access to rights. Its interesting that JEB seems to have got his idea of English mentality from a Scotsman. Now there is a genuine undercurrent there between the English and the Scots, one that surfaces a lot, and some Scotsmen might - if being unfair - might try and say 'this is what the English think/do' and paint Wales as a playground of human misery. I have relatives in Scotland and being English there is increasingly unpleasant, he is an elected councillor. People are frequently asking online whether English should be tolerated to hold office? If you removed the word English and replaced it with 'blacks' the comments would read as definate cases of racism, but because they are raised against the English its almost seen as alright.

to be fair as much as I agreed with the first part of your essay write up there that part sounds like you've made it up yourself. I not only work up there a hell of a lot but I have family up there as well, who were originally from england also. Yes I get the odd bit of banter, yes I get digged at for liking cricket from time to time. But no, the majority of Scots I have met do not hold opinions towards the english which I would liken to "racism."

The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.

Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.

Elessar wrote:The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.

Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/wars_welsh.html

When Nataly Holloway went missing I remember the governor of the state she came from demanding that all Americans should boycott the Netherlands for something that happened in a country that was once a colony.

Can't we just boycott retards instead? Or take them out behind the shed and shoot them?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Elessar wrote:The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.

Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/wars_welsh.html

I said coherent. Gibberish Welsh language tribesmen doesn't count!

Elessar wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Elessar wrote:The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.

Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/wars_welsh.html

Sorry, I was wrong

Fixed that for you.

Not bloody likely.

That said, I like the Welsh.

whatwhat wrote:

Orlanth wrote:There is no uneven exploitation of the Welsh or lower access to rights. Its interesting that JEB seems to have got his idea of English mentality from a Scotsman. Now there is a genuine undercurrent there between the English and the Scots, one that surfaces a lot, and some Scotsmen might - if being unfair - might try and say 'this is what the English think/do' and paint Wales as a playground of human misery. I have relatives in Scotland and being English there is increasingly unpleasant, he is an elected councillor. People are frequently asking online whether English should be tolerated to hold office? If you removed the word English and replaced it with 'blacks' the comments would read as definate cases of racism, but because they are raised against the English its almost seen as alright.

to be fair as much as I agreed with the first part of your essay write up there that part sounds like you've made it up yourself. I not only work up there a hell of a lot but I have family up there as well, who were originally from england also. Yes I get the odd bit of banter, yes I get digged at for liking cricket from time to time. But no, the majority of Scots I have met do not hold opinions towards the english which I would liken to "racism."

Which part of Scotland may I ask. Edinburgh, Stirling and most of SE Scotland is fairly safe for English. Remember the old joke Q. Why is Glasgow fuill of drunks and Edinburgh full of English. A. Glasgow got first pick.

I have a close (English) friend in Glasgow and it can get dicey with the neds.
I have family in Aberdeen who get on well with the majority but do see some resentment that is racism from an increasing minority who will not accept having an Englishman in public office, even if elected by Scottish constituents. And no they are not Tory. According to them there is a trend which shows this sentiment is slowly spreading.

How big is Wales? It better be larger than Harris County, or I am pointing and laughing at someone.

Maybe I should start bigger. how big is England? Someone can verify its larger than my back yard right?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Elessar wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Elessar wrote:The Scottish attitude towards the English is a lot stronger than the Welsh one, but the Welsh never really fought against the English in a coherent, nationalistic fashion.

Plaid Cymru etc are a relatively recent backlash to centuries of not giving a feth.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/wars_welsh.html

Sorry, I was wrong

Fixed that for you.

To be fair to Elessar ther struggle itself is dead. Plaid Cymru is not a terror group or supporter of terror groups, there is no Welsh terror movement struggling for independance. Welsh nationalism is a romantic concept nothing more, it may one day happen, but Wales is already 'free' because Welsh are not in any way discriminated and have not been for many centuries. Being English is no advantage over them per se.

Orlanth wrote:
To be fair to Elessar ther struggle itself is dead. Plaid Cymru is not a terror group or supporter of terror groups, there is no Welsh terror movement struggling for independance. Welsh nationalism is a romantic concept nothing more, it may one day happen, but Wales is already 'free' because Welsh are not in any way discriminated and have not been for many centuries. Being English is no advantage over them per se.

Just the recognition of Cornwall to go then.

Frazzled wrote:
How big is England? Someone can verify its larger than my back yard right.

No, its not bigger than Central America.

While on that subject; can you find England on a map, or Wales, or Central America?