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2009/10/29 03:29:02
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
Orkeosaurus wrote:Dollar Tree was actually selling 4-packs of Stars and Stripes cola for $1 not too long ago. They were the big cans too, I was impressed.
I hate the kids size containers... what. the. feth. is. this. crap....
People like to say that Americans are overfed, and etc... which is pretty much true in a lot of cases. But seriously though, what the hell am I supposed to do with this thing? Am I on a plane? Do you have a real reason to be getting these things? Are you in the habit of throwing the last third of a regular sized bottle of water out?
They have to be designed for kids, because it just makes no sense at all otherwise... none. nadda. zilch. dont. buy. these.
These bottles, have single-handedly destroyed any good people have brought about by recycling. They are the anti-recycling bottle.
The packaging industry thanks you... profusely, and in many different ways. Like, for instance... more bottles.
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2009/10/29 03:32:04
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
Stars and Stripes was sold in 3-liters. (Also a dollar. Great deal! I'm not going to have any more teeth in a few years, though.)
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
2009/10/29 04:00:25
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
If I can get my teeth to turn into tiny rockets that blow my enemies up I may have a career path chosen...
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
2009/10/29 04:06:28
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
Albatross wrote:I don't want to 'keep out Poles'! I was afraid that it wouldn't prefer free movement between EU states, though.
Just read the UK Border Agency site - it said that migrants from recently-joined EU member-states still have to apply for permission to live in the UK. Interesting.
That is another recently created rule. I don't know how 'legal' or effective it is. Perhaps they have to apply but permission is automatically granted. Perhaps it is simply waiting for someone to bring a suit, then the EU Court will crack down on the UK for violating the general EU rules.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Isn't it natural that flexibility in where you're willing to work/live will result in being able to pursue the most amount of wealth? I mean, if you really like staying where you are, then you may value that over a chance for more money; but that's just the choice you often have to make. It's the same as me being, say, offered a job in California. I don't particularly want to move there, so that would factor into my decision of taking it.
I agree with you, but in this ^ case, you don't have a language barrier. Few people in European countries, except the Nordic countries and the Low Countries, speak any foreign languages (and if so, it's usually just English and maybe French and/or German). It takes more effort to have good job opportunities in countries without mandatory English lessons in school. It works both ways, it's hard to work with someone who doesn't understand what you're saying. Sure, if someone really wants/needs to, he/she should make the attempt, learn the lingo, make the trip.
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2009/10/29 11:59:04
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
@Spiggott - I tried to bring this whole sorry affair to a close 2 pages ago! You made a nice job of twisting my words, though. Bravo.
@Killkrazy - I don't don't see the point of a points system if EU citizens are allowed to move freely between states. Part of the immigration problems we've had recently stem from the fact that the gov't underestimated the number of incoming economic migrants from new eastern-european member-states, isn't it? Thoughts?
Should anyone be allowed into to live in the UK, whether from the EU, the Congo or the secret bases on the Moon if they can't give a quick synopsis of "Confessions of a Window Cleaner" starring Robin Askwith in 100 words or less? Perhaps that should be on an immigration questionnaire.
2009/10/29 13:25:56
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
Albatross wrote:@Spiggott - I tried to bring this whole sorry affair to a close 2 pages ago! You made a nice job of twisting my words, though. Bravo.
@Killkrazy - I don't don't see the point of a points system if EU citizens are allowed to move freely between states. Part of the immigration problems we've had recently stem from the fact that the gov't underestimated the number of incoming economic migrants from new eastern-european member-states, isn't it? Thoughts?
As far as I am aware, the points system is applied to foreigners from places like the USA or Japan, who don't have the legal right to live and work in the UK already. By showing they have sufficient qualifications to get a good job, they are given a working visa.
It's mainly for the benefit of the government being able to say they are doing something about immigration, since companies actively seeking foreign staff because British staff are under-qualified are naturally going to seek well qualified staff anyway.
While the government may well have underestimated the influx from eastern Europe, it is questionable how much that is a cause of any problems. For example, Kentish fruit farmers had trouble recruiting enough pickers this summer. Where were our 3 million native unemployed then? Polish workers have been returning home in droves, thanks to the decline in the value of the £.
On another tack, many cases of complaints about council housing being given to immigrants turn out to be wrong, when the facts are investigated closely. They are generated as much out of fear of outsiders as out of rational causes.
So the assumption is that "Immigration is a problem" without investigation into how, why, or how to address it, let alone if it is true, or how much of it to allow, on what basis.
@Killkrazy - I personally think it's a population thing. If a country has one of the highest immigration rates in europe and a relatively small geographical area - is it wrong to be concerned? I'm not offering any solutions, but we shouldn't be afraid of the debate. I think the fact that I raised a few concerns based on my own personal experience, and was pretty much branded a racist speaks volumes. A racist witch-hunt won't do us any favours - that plays into the hands of fascists like the BNP.
