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This really ought to be funny.

Every single racist/homophobe/bigot I've ever met have when challenged, genuinely struggled to support their views. Mr Griffin is just another tosspot. No doubt the fat git is boning up on his Right Wing Rhetoric, quite forgetting that like all extreme Political Propaganda, most of it is made up, embellished and generally sourceless.

For example? Ra Immagrunts is takin' all our jobs innit bruv. Neatly countered by pointing out more people have Emigrated from Britain in recent year than come into the country.

And English for the English? Then I fully expect Mr Griffin to be able to trace his lineage back to pre-Roman natives without deviation, or piss off out of the country and leave it to the descendants of the Britoni Clans and Tribes.......Fat racist gakker. Not to mention our public services would collapse overnight if all non-white, non English born staff were banished.... All those Doctors from the Indian Subcontinent, all the Nurses from Asia, all the Poles who build stuff.....total collapse of society.

When will idiots like him realise where you're born is just that. Where you're born. Nothing more to it. Ultimately, racism is like hating someone because they live on the other side of the road to you...

I'd also like to know if he'd pay the inflated food prices that would occur if he got rid of the imigrants. Pretty certain that the CBI has stated that they are needed to help pick crops as us Brits won't do it.

smiling Assassin wrote:Death Penalty for Murder, Rape, Paedophilia and Terrorism,

Have to say I'm not sure about the problem with that one, its just my opinion though and YMMV

Emperors Faithful wrote:Agreed. (Though alot of people agree with them on the Death Penalty.)

Just a point of interest, the Battle for Britain is actually what that time period in the Blitz was called, so it's not THAT overtly politically agressive.

It should still be funny to watch this guy get laid into though.

Battle OF Britain was the way I've always seen it described.

legoburner wrote:To anyone who missed it, that poster is actually showing a spitfire from 303 squadron which was the Polish squad. Ah delicious irony. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/4935429/BNP-uses-Polish-Spitfire-in-anti-immigration-poster.html

This I enjoy very very much.

Lordhat wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:"Lordhat: He was merely pointing out that they are relatively extreme in ALL aspects. (I doubt very much that they want the DP back for anything other than a bit of sport)

Having been a few fundamentalist/fanatic for more than a few years, I can tell you: They want the Death Penalty back because they believe it's the proper response to such transgressions. In this case I have to say I agree with them.

I fixed your quote for you. Even murder isn't cut and dry, let alone rape, paedophellia is often times not even a violent crime, and it's one that can be commited by doing as little as owning certain materials, and the term terrorism doesn't even have a concrete definition. Hardlining all of it as capitol offense is just stupid.

ShumaGorath wrote: Even murder isn't cut and dry,

I thought that was why the system had varying degrees of murder?

BrotherStynier wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote: Even murder isn't cut and dry,

I thought that was why the system had varying degrees of murder?

It is. If a crime where someones life ended has such varying degrees, preventing it from being a capitol offense in a significant percentage of cases, what makes something like pedophilia, or rape instant capitol crimes? Both of those are heavily dependent in situational specifics, and the act of taking the life of a prisoner is the absolute final say in punishment. It's the opposite of rehabilitation, something a civilized society is meant to strive for. Death penalty for terrorism is an even more nebulous issue, as many terror groups are classified as such due to the monetary contribution of the group itself and not any actual physical act.

Its why the BNP is a bunch of loonies. They catch votes by saying things like "Kill the rapists", but if they ever landed in power they wouldn't know what to do with it. Those aren't actionable platforms. You want everyone committing those crimes to be executed? There are quite a few countries in the middle east and africa where it's done. But then the BNP is also quick to denounce the barbarism of the muslims and terrorists alike, which is remarkably ironic, though their constituency would never see it.

ShumaGorath wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote: Even murder isn't cut and dry,

I thought that was why the system had varying degrees of murder?

It is. If a crime where someones life ended has such varying degrees, preventing it from being a capitol offense in a significant percentage of cases, what makes something like pedophilia, or rape instant capitol crimes? Both of those are heavily dependent in situational specifics, and the act of taking the life of a prisoner is the absolute final say in punishment. It's the opposite of rehabilitation, something a civilized society is meant to strive for. Death penalty for terrorism is an even more nebulous issue, as many terror groups are classified as such due to the monetary contribution of the group itself and not any actual physical act.

Its why the BNP is a bunch of loonies. They catch votes by saying things like "Kill the rapists", but if they ever landed in power they wouldn't know what to do with it. Those aren't actionable platforms. You want everyone committing those crimes to be executed? There are quite a few countries in the middle east and africa where it's done. But then the BNP is also quick to denounce the barbarism of the muslims and terrorists alike, which is remarkably ironic, though their constituency would never see it.

I see what you are saying, death penalty only for the highest degree of the crime, even then only certain crimes. Killing someone for donating money to a terror cell, not the thing you execute people for, training terrorists another thing you probably don't kill them for. That's kinda what you're saying right, but obviously about more than just terrorism or murder.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:This really ought to be funny.

Every single racist/homophobe/bigot I've ever met have when challenged, genuinely struggled to support their views. Mr Griffin is just another tosspot. No doubt the fat git is boning up on his Right Wing Rhetoric, quite forgetting that like all extreme Political Propaganda, most of it is made up, embellished and generally sourceless.

For example? Ra Immagrunts is takin' all our jobs innit bruv. Neatly countered by pointing out more people have Emigrated from Britain in recent year than come into the country.

And English for the English? Then I fully expect Mr Griffin to be able to trace his lineage back to pre-Roman natives without deviation, or piss off out of the country and leave it to the descendants of the Britoni Clans and Tribes.......Fat racist gakker. Not to mention our public services would collapse overnight if all non-white, non English born staff were banished.... All those Doctors from the Indian Subcontinent, all the Nurses from Asia, all the Poles who build stuff.....total collapse of society.

When will idiots like him realise where you're born is just that. Where you're born. Nothing more to it. Ultimately, racism is like hating someone because they live on the other side of the road to you...

MDG, thats terrible. You shouldn't stereotype people. What about all the lazy, degenerate, useless people from those places? You have to accurately represent all parts of a population.



As for the BNP, LOL. I didn't know Britain had Neocons as well. It reminds me of the government in Children of Men, that set up the refugee camps and stuff.

More like the government in V for Vendetta.

BrotherStynier wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote: Even murder isn't cut and dry,

I thought that was why the system had varying degrees of murder?

It is. If a crime where someones life ended has such varying degrees, preventing it from being a capitol offense in a significant percentage of cases, what makes something like pedophilia, or rape instant capitol crimes? Both of those are heavily dependent in situational specifics, and the act of taking the life of a prisoner is the absolute final say in punishment. It's the opposite of rehabilitation, something a civilized society is meant to strive for. Death penalty for terrorism is an even more nebulous issue, as many terror groups are classified as such due to the monetary contribution of the group itself and not any actual physical act.

Its why the BNP is a bunch of loonies. They catch votes by saying things like "Kill the rapists", but if they ever landed in power they wouldn't know what to do with it. Those aren't actionable platforms. You want everyone committing those crimes to be executed? There are quite a few countries in the middle east and africa where it's done. But then the BNP is also quick to denounce the barbarism of the muslims and terrorists alike, which is remarkably ironic, though their constituency would never see it.

I see what you are saying, death penalty only for the highest degree of the crime, even then only certain crimes. Killing someone for donating money to a terror cell, not the thing you execute people for, training terrorists another thing you probably don't kill them for. That's kinda what you're saying right, but obviously about more than just terrorism or murder.

Pretty much. The act of killing a prisoner does little actual good. It's sole real value is in the fact that it can make the people offended by the criminal feel better. Vindicated. It's not wrong to ask for that in my opinion, but where do we draw a line as a society? Killing people for killing doesn't rectify their crimes, and it doesn't somehow wipe the slate clean. They are still murderers, just dead ones, in which case they can no longer reform or do any good with their lives. They have no chance to redeem themselves through their actions. I actually believe in the death penalty, I think the penalty for the highest degree of crime should be the highest penalty possible. But I dislike it when people trump the death penalty like it accomplishes something beyond letting people feel better about themselves, and I dislike it even more when groups like the BNP do it simply for the sake of looking tough.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:More like the government in V for Vendetta.

Sweet Baby Jesus! Thats craysea.

Shyeah. They wish.

What Mr Griffin fails to realise is that a lot of his votes are 'warnings' to the main Political Parties, that a portion of the electorate wish for more immigration controls, rather than fellow idiots ratifying all their extremes.

I think there was a bit of kerfluffle at this or something related:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Anti-BNP-Protesters-Breach-BBC-Security-Cordon-Ahead-Of-Arrival-Of-Nick-Griffin-For-Question-Time/Article/200910415411865?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15411865_Anti-BNP_Protesters_Breach_BBC_Security_Cordon_Ahead_Of_Arrival_Of_Nick_Griffin_For_Question_Time

Yeah, just saw that and a few clips of the program on the news. Looks like we'll be in for an interesting show.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Shyeah. They wish.

What Mr Griffin fails to realise is that a lot of his votes are 'warnings' to the main Political Parties, that a portion of the electorate wish for more immigration controls, rather than fellow idiots ratifying all their extremes.

What's happening in the UK is that a lot of people are feeling hard done by (rightly or wrongly.) They can't get good jobs. They can't afford houses. They can't get their children into a decent school, and so on.

None of this is the fault of immigration, but it is an easy target to pick on.

The only issue with a program like this with having a such a high profile person on it, is simply that it will turn into a human form of bear baiting.

Which my fears were confirmed fully as I am watching at the moment. Don't get me wrong I completely disagree with the BNP but its been 50minutes of people laying into the BNP which is all it was designed to do. It was a masterstroke of generating ratings by the BBC.

That being said its quite funny watching Nick Griffin being as restrained as possible whilst everyone in the panel and audience are trying to make him slip up.

In some ways its pathetic in other ways very very interesting.

I agree that it was largely a Griffin hatefest, but it sure was gratifying to see his nonsense exposed so thoroughly.

I especially liked the point that was made that the BNP is a party based on race, not morals.

The other day, the BNP was told they they have to accept people's memebrship to the party regardless of colour or creed.

I say that every Black, Jewish and gay person should join, and then vote him out of control of his own party.

Actually, I don't think he said anything that bad - if you are a non-skilled worker in the UK, the jobs you are applying for are very often filled by people who are not from this country. I have first hand experience of this. Also, visit an inner city Jobcenter and play 'spot the brit', should make for an interesting game. This doesn't make me a racist - anyone who lives in a large metropolitan area will have noticed this.

Maybe right wing groups, like the BNP, hate it when they see the moral fiber of their society falling apart. I think this story sums up their disgust pretty well. Not that I am for them mind you, I am just trying to understand all of their points of view....

I decided to not post the picture, as I don't want to post anything that might be considered lewd. If you want to see it and the story that goes with it, here ya go:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222090/Reveller-pictured-knickers-ankles-shocking-scene-UKs-streets-shame.html

JEB_Stuart wrote:Maybe right wing groups, like the BNP, hate it when they see the moral fiber of their society falling apart. I think this story sums up their disgust pretty well. Not that I am for them mind you, I am just trying to understand all of their points of view....

I decided to not post the picture, as I don't want to post anything that might be considered lewd. If you want to see it and the story that goes with it, here ya go:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222090/Reveller-pictured-knickers-ankles-shocking-scene-UKs-streets-shame.html

The BNP shouldn't have any problem with these indigenous white ladies exercising their right to freedom of expression...

I thought the rest of the panel was weaksauce.

I did find it highly amusing that the Baroness Warsi, after being highly gleeful in attacking the easy target of Griffon and his racist goons, was then questioned about her Muslim religion fired prejudice against homosexual relationships and previous comments that she opposed civil partnerships. She ummmed and ahhhed and then backtracked.

hypocrite...

Jack Straw was pathetic, he has never impressed me, his speeches were poor attempts to garner a round of applause from the audience instead of actually addressing issues. Man of Straw indeed.

The lib dem bloke instantly forgettable.

Bonnie Greer seemed ok but was not overly formidable or really making much other than also fairly easy point scoring, her comment about the British Isles being entirely covered in ice is also bollocks and she should be fired from the board of the museum for that comment.

Griffon himself was just crap, he was shaking and his arguments, so toned down to avoid causing a riot, were contradictory and patently obvious as a very amateurish attempt at spin and reinvention.

The audience were rubbish and again, it was about taking a shot at Griffon rather than anything like trying to get him to open his mouth long enough to hang himself, things like that gak calling him 'Dick' Griffon and the sniggering in the audience and then telling him to move to the South Pole, this isn't the fething comedy club.

Griffon will return to his supporters enabled to justify that the BBC was bias, that the entire thing was angled as an attack against them, that the audience was 'racially disproportionate' and that the panel and all questions did nothing other than target him, he was not included as part of the panel but the test study for the rest of them to pull apart and that will lend him power in his own ranks via the passive aggressive stance that he made the steps to join in and was heckled and abused for his trouble.


A bit of a disappointment all in all, I wish Tony Benn had been there, he'd have breezed that and made it great viewing.

Albatross wrote:Actually, I don't think he said anything that bad - if you are a non-skilled worker in the UK, the jobs you are applying for are very often filled by people who are not from this country. I have first hand experience of this. Also, visit an inner city Jobcenter and play 'spot the brit', should make for an interesting game. This doesn't make me a racist - anyone who lives in a large metropolitan area will have noticed this.

Sorry pal, I worked in an inner city jobcentre. This is a crock of gak.

In Sheffield, maybe that's true - it's certainly not true in Manchester as of this year. And I'll thank you not to be so dismissive - you haven't the first idea about my experiences.

Spot the Brit? Or spot the white?

How do you know the other people you see in a job centre aren't British?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Just a point of interest, the Battle for Britain is actually what that time period in the Blitz was called, so it's not THAT overtly politically agressive.

it very politicaly aggresive, wanting to fight a battle to get rid of those the BNP hate.

the question time was hilarious, he made a massive fool of himself, he was like a squerming disgusting mutant baby that needs to get back to his mine shaft. his most popular phase was 'i never said that' followed by Jack Straw saying 'its on youtube' ne has won no one over with this show


on a less political side, he goes on about how he wants to protect the white genepool, have you seen him, he's a fat, mutant baby faced monster, who wants those genes.


1. mixing genepools is the best thing for speices otherwise we turn into giant panda humans (stupid, unadaptable and unable to breed creatures)
2. immagrents work harder and pay more taxes than the majority of BNP voter, the white benefit class of britian

I just watched it like an hour ago, and it was H.I.L.A.R.I.O.U.S!

Nick Griffin is so full of gak, he basically said "We'll say were going to give you what you want when were not in power, but when we are, you can feth off and I want KKK supporters in the party too."

Albatross wrote:it's certainly not true in Manchester as of this year.

Well that's a big step back from:

Albatross wrote:anyone who lives in a large metropolitan area...

Sadly I can neither confirm nor deny your limited experiences though I'd like a bit more evidence before I accept them at face value since your experiences differ so greatly from mine. I'll also point out that we're in a recession and the pound is worth less than usual against foreign currency. Two good reasons why foreign workers would and are choosing to work elsewhere.

Spot the Brit? Or spot the white?

How do you know the other people you see in a job centre aren't British?

British people don't generally need interpreters (paid for by the tax-payer) to speak to other British people. I visited Job-centres regularly to search for part-time work and this is something I noticed. Are you telling me I DIDN'T notice it? Also, when I attended a job-interview through the same service, I was the only British applicant out of 20-odd ( I met them in the waiting room). What I was implying by the statement I made was that an inordinate amount of people claiming benefits in my area seem to be non-British. Maybe it's different on the mean streets of Cornwall!
Please don't make me out to be a racist - I made no mention of skin-colour. Not cool.


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@Spiggott - It's worth pointing out that I didn't say there were NO Brits there, I just implied that there were a relatively large number of Non-Brits signing on whenever I have visited a JobCentre - strange, since apparently they are looking for work. I lived in Spain (a socialist country) for a year and a half and their system requires you to pay tax for a year before being eligible for benefits. Also I have dutch friends who tell me a similar system exists in The Netherlands - it's a little bit more than six months. Why shouldn't it be the same in the UK? - and why shouldn't I care about that?
But since you used to work in a JobCentre in Sheffield that no foreigners visit (apparently) I must bow to your superior knowledge, as my experience obviously counts for dick.

It's weird, I went to a local job center over the summer and I saw no british people at all.