| Author |
Message |
 |
|
|
|
|
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
2009/10/21 11:03:57
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
|
I'm not sure how many of you Brits out there are going to watch Question Time this thursday, I think 10.30. I watch it normally because it's amusing, but this week it's very special, because we get to see everyone's favorite gakker, Nick Griffin, get shafted by the panel, and by the audience. I hear there's going to be questions asked by such people as Holocaust Survivors (Griffin is a vehement Holocaust denier), and those who have been victims of vicious racist attacks. In every sadist vein of your bodies, brothers, watch it - I think it's going to be hilarious   I know I shouldn't hold it against him, but he's a ugly bastard as well. The BNP, as you know, have been in the news a lot lately - recently yesterday because Mike Jackson and another former General got pissed off with Griffin's use of a Spitfire and such imagery as WW2 British infantry as part of his campaign speech, as he did when he was rooting for a seat in the European Parliament. Personally, I agree with them: what right has he to defile the memories of those who fought, suffered, and died for the cause of liberty and equality, fighting against the same vein of policy that Griffin is purporting, in order to get a seat in the EU? bs. This is often overused, but I know both my Grandfathers would turn in their grave if they saw such imagery being used thus.  His use of phrase is revolting. Battle for Britain? What is this?! This man needs to get his head in order. He joined the National Front aged 15, a horrible group. These people would actively recriminalise Homosexuality, bring back the Death Penalty for Murder, Rape, Paedophilia and Terrorism, and get us out of NATO and the EU. What sickens me even more, is that this group, in this day and age, are whites only.  I'm not sure what your thoughts are, Dakka, but this sickens me. On the other hand, we cannot allow ourselves to completely exclude these people from the Media, because this is repression of Free Speech. They can have their opinion, but they can shut the feth up about it. sA
|
|
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2009/10/21 11:05:23
My Loyalist P&M Log, Irkutsk 24th
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags. |
|
|
 |
|
2009/10/21 11:10:17
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
|
Agreed. (Though alot of people agree with them on the Death Penalty.)
Just a point of interest, the Battle for Britain is actually what that time period in the Blitz was called, so it's not THAT overtly politically agressive.
It should still be funny to watch this guy get laid into though.
|
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers" 
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 11:13:44
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
|
Nick Griffin is a lot less smooth than many politicians.
He may just blow up once things start to go against him.
Apart from their views on race, etc. the BNP is a very suspect party just in terms of their accounts.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 11:13:51
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Incorporating Wet-Blending
|
smiling Assassin wrote: bring back the Death Penalty for Murder, Rape, Paedophilia and Terrorism,
You say this like it's a bad thing..... Anybody convicted of these crimes deserves to die.
|
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 11:17:39
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
|
"Lordhat: He was merely pointing out that they are relatively extreme in ALL aspects. (I doubt very much that they want the DP back for anything other than a bit of sport)
|
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 11:21:24
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Fully-charged Electropriest
|
I personally find the BNP hilarious, how so many can be so backward is simply unreal :p
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 11:39:18
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Incorporating Wet-Blending
|
Emperors Faithful wrote:"Lordhat: He was merely pointing out that they are relatively extreme in ALL aspects. (I doubt very much that they want the DP back for anything other than a bit of sport)
Having known more than a few fundamentalists/fanatics for more than a few years, I can tell you: They want the Death Penalty back because they believe it's the proper response to such transgressions. In this case I have to say I agree with them.
|
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 11:44:12
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Killer Klaivex
|
He even looks like a nasty character. My mother (who lived in England until I was born), has told me in the past about how awful the BNP are, and when I read about them, everything I was told just gets proven correct. It's sickening that anyone would support their ideals.
Is Question Time on Youtube? I'd like to see this particular session.
|
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. |
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 11:47:41
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
|
@Lordhat: That's a matter of opinion, I was merely bringing it up to show the extent of their proposed reforms. I personally believe Rape and Paedophilia not to be appropriate for death.
@Cheese: Not sure, maybe on BBC iPlayer. Do you get that over there?
sA
|
My Loyalist P&M Log, Irkutsk 24th
"And what is wrong with their life? What on earth is less reprehensible than the life of the Levovs?"
- American Pastoral, Philip Roth
Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed at him, we leagued with him, old chum.
No soldier's paid to kick against His powers.
We laughed - knowing that better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives; not men, for flags. |
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 11:57:40
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Killer Klaivex
|
BBC iPlayer? I think it's possible to get it here, but it apparently takes quite a lot of messing around with internet tech. It might be on Austar Pay-per-view though.
|
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made. |
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 12:02:05
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
I'd like to beat this fether to death with a crowbar.
In other news, yes, I'll be watching Question Time although I suspect it will devolve into shouting far too quickly to get the gasbag properly ridiculed.
Anyone know who the rest of the panel is? I'd love to see old Wedgewood-Ben and Stephen Fry play squash with this bastard's reasoning for a while.
Then I hope they bring out the Indian and Sikh veterans who served in WW2 with honour for King and Country and shame that weaseling bastard for all his fascist lies.
Death to the nazi.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 12:02:08
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
[ADMIN]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
To anyone who missed it, that poster is actually showing a spitfire from 303 squadron which was the Polish squad. Ah delicious irony. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/4935429/BNP-uses-Polish-Spitfire-in-anti-immigration-poster.html
|
Check out our new, fully plastic tabletop wargame - Maelstrom's Edge, made by Dakka!
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 12:24:35
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Junior Officer with Laspistol
|
According to Radio Times, the panel also includes Justice Secretary Jack Straw and Chris Huhne, Liberal Democrat Home Affairs spokesman. I'll be watching, even though it'll probably just make me angry if I have to listen to the tosser.
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 12:26:13
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Fully-charged Electropriest
|
LOL! Fanfreakingtastic...they are so stupid. I usually hate sweeping generalisations but all of the BNP are bloody idiotic!
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 12:36:56
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
|
The Ministry of Defence (on behlf of the RAF) has gone to court and obtained a ban on the BNP using the Spitfire as a political symbol.
|
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. |
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 12:36:59
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Fixture of Dakka
Manchester UK
|
These people would actively recriminalise Homosexuality, bring back the Death Penalty for Murder, Rape, Paedophilia and Terrorism
There are quite a lot of conservative Americans on this very site that would seem to share their views, then. I've not been posting here that long, but must admit to being shocked at some of the opinions held by people on here. Unbelievable.
I'm gonna try and watch it, if only out of morbid curiosity.
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/10/21 12:37:39
 Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 12:46:57
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
|
Oh my, a thread not about the US for once. Excellent.
I'd suggest you read up on their material and the criticisms of them (all the major parties or candidates) before voting. An educated voter is a dangerous voter. Excellent...
|
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 12:48:18
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
|
That is funny, but the BNP are not exactly anti-Pole. Their policy is not clear, the Poles are immigrant and arriving in large numbers, but Polish are white after all.
There is a large polish community in the UK anyway since the War and are very Anglicised, many Poles are Englishmen with Polish names, but thats a logical point based on observation rather than knee jerk, and logic and BNP dont mix very well.
|
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. |
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:17:14
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Oberleutnant
|
If everyone suddenly starts watching Questiontime because that fecker is on there it will push the ratings right up. He'll use that for his own political ends saying it was in support of him and the BBC will no doubt get him or others from his party back on the programme to get the ratings again..
I say just watch it on iplayer or youtube after if you want to see it, dont give anyone ammo if you dont need to...
Mick
|
Digitus Impudicus! 
Armies-  |
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:17:37
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
A BNP guy was handing out leaflets in my home town in Cornwall, due to my own shaved head he seemed very keen that I take a leaflet and kept insisting in his thick Birmingham accent that I needed to sign up and protect England from immigrants.
At which point I told him to feth off where he came from and stop taking Cornish jobs and living in a Cornish house and go back over the Tamar bridge to 'Saxon land' cos he smelled like fething hotpot and jellied eels.
Stupid fether didn't get the joke or the irony.
Kernow Bys Vyken! =P
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:29:10
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
|
RACISTS are damaging the reputation of the British Army and undermining its mission to kill brown people, it was claimed last night.
Forces'sweetheart George MonbiotA group of senior generals has written to the Times accusing the British National Party of 'hijacking the good name of the military' and insisting the BNP's extremist values are at odds with the Army's values of thinking up funny names for foreigners and flattening their houses with a tank.
The letter, signed by Sir Alfie Allendale, Sir Binky Beaver, Sir Chippy Chappell and Sir Dandy Dinmont, stated: "The Army has a proud tradition of interacting with all manner of brown people before persuading them to give up their land while dealing sensitively with their concerns by shooting them fairly and squarely in the middle of the face."
It added: "To suggest Britain's unquestioning pride in its army and nostalgia for the empire it so brutally maintained somehow contributed to the mentality that created organisations like the BNP is so completely ludicrous that it must never be discussed in any way, shape or form."
Major Nathan Muir, deputy director of inter-racial harmony at the Ministry of Defence, said: "The vast majority of Britain's soldiers are proud and enthusiastic multi-culturalists.
"I have lost count of the number of young privates who have told me that when they leave the service they want to work for the Equality and Human Rights Commission helping Bangladeshi women to fill in benefit forms."
Captain Stephen Malley, currently based in Helmand province, said: "At the end of a hard day in the field my men like nothing more than to crack open a bottle of Cloudy Bay and discuss their favourite Guardian columnists.
"Wee Jimmy Jamieson is a big fan of Polly Toynbee, though he does say she can be a bit too reactionary at times, while Sergeant Major Douglas has a beautiful signed poster of George Monbiot on the inside of his locker."
He added: "Just last week, as we went into action, Jimmy shouted 'alright lads, this one's for Shami Chakrabati!'
Nick Griffin was one of only 2 boys at an otherwise all girls school....
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/10/21 13:33:34
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:31:55
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
Private Eye?
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:36:58
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
|
. Daily Mash. full of good stuff.
Get Out of My Sacred Homeland (Get Into My Car).
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/10/21 13:37:39
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:37:10
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Fixture of Dakka
|
He should be shouted down, but it depends on who gets in the audience.
The episode broadcast two days after September 11th had a studio audience made up largely of people with anti-american views. It was most definitely not the BBC's finest hour.
I worry something similar could happen here...
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:45:50
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Gloucester
|
I would love to know where Nick Griffin and his sinister little cronies get the idea that the Armed forces are supportive of his party. The vast majority of those serving are the same as the rest of the populace, they are only interested in the two parties who have a chance of getting into power. After all it is these parties that will have the decision with regards to future deployments and other key issues which will effect them such as the defence budget.
Lets say that the BNP did ever get into government, I wouldn't give it long before we were getting into conflicts with all sorts of different countries. Which soldier in their right mind would want to see a government elected who is likely to go out looking for wars to get them killed in?
Given that the Army in particular goes to huge efforts to recruit from Comonwealth countries and openly welcomes those from all ethnic backgrounds I can't see how they would be sympathetic to the BNP cause.
Almost all the guys I served with had the same veiw, when the gak hits the fan you couldn't give a damn what race, religion or sexual orientation those fighting with you were, you were just glad to have them there watching your back.
As previously posted I can also imagine Nick Griffin getting flustered and angry very quickly. My bet is that he will walk out before the programme is done and claim that the whole thing was staged to make him look bad.
|
Arte et Marte
 5000pts
 5000pts
 4000pts
Ogres: 2000pts
Empire: 6000pts |
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:48:59
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Fully-charged Electropriest
|
squilverine wrote:As previously posted I can also imagine Nick Griffin getting flustered and angry very quickly. My bet is that he will walk out before the programme is done and claim that the whole thing was staged to make him look bad.
I concur, he (and his minions) very much like to portary the image of the put-upon, as if everyone is out to get the... Just so happens everyone is and everyone is right to!
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:49:28
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
|
squilverine wrote:
Lets say that the BNP did ever get into government, I wouldn't give it long before we were getting into conflicts with all sorts of different countries.
Indeed....and, for some reason or other, I can't see Obama being incredibly sympathetic to calls for aid either....
|
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 13:52:41
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Fully-charged Electropriest
|
LOL! I could actually envision that - "BNP led britain asks president of african-american descent for aid" Comedy Gold right there!
|
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 15:45:19
Subject: Re:"England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Longtime Dakkanaut
|
It's probably not going to be worth watching as I would imagine that his idea of a discussion is to stick his fingers in his ears and go la, la, la, not listening. Or like evil religious family in the US, the ones who just shout louder if you disagree with them.
|
Live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about his religion. Respect others in their views and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life. Beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and of service to your people. When your time comes to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home.
Lt. Rorke - Act of Valor
I can now be found on Facebook under the name of Wulfstan Design
www.wulfstandesign.co.uk
http://www.voodoovegas.com/
|
|
|
|
|
2009/10/21 20:57:59
Subject: "England for the English" vs. "There's nothing British about the BNP"
|
|
Junior Officer with Laspistol
|
Either way, he looks like a moron. Everybody wins - except, of course, the nazis.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
