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Captain Shrike wrote:ANGRON ALL THE WAY. I know primarchs are tuff but surviving a sismic mine that took out the company he was with at the end of the second HH book, then killing every enemy warrior in a split second, I mean, id like to see little sang do that!

So he's able to endure an otherwise killing-blast? So none of the other Primarchs can do that? Besides, Anngron is too insane to take on Russ. Russ knows how to fight. Anngron knows how to slaughter.

Angron was a pit fighter almost his entire life and his surgical implants were designed to enhance that. If he was just some mindless thug with no finesse another gladiator with more finesse with weapons would have gut him a long time ago(as people are suggesting russ would do). Angron also took out many eldar at once as a young man, bare-handed I believe, before ever entering the arena or having implants. He is a force of nature with or without a weapon, with or without daemonic gifts, and underestimating him as a berzerk klutz is just ignorant of his background.

I also want to make it clear that having an intense desire to do nothing but kill =/= swinging a weapon mindlessly as you rush at your opponent. His implants made him fearless and aggressive, not stupid and unable to wield a weapon with precision. He was also shown to be a skilled tactician, someone that cared about the welfare of his men, and revolted against the emperor because the emp forced him to leave his men behind to be slaughtered when the emperor could've landed and saved them all. If the emperor hadn't been so stubborn and shortsighted about it he could've had a loyal killing machine in angron.

I'm going to say again that we will never know the outcome of every fight between xxxx and xxxx. Even fights that we have records of may not have turned out the same way if they had fought a second or a third time. Would russ defeat angron in single combat? Maybe, but he might also lose because he underestimated angron as a mindless brute.

Angron is shown to charge the enemy disregarding nearly any attempt to evade their shots/blows. He just absorbs them and keeps raging. I don't think people in this thread are as off-base as you think, Halsfield. As for deceiving the enemy into thinking you're a mindless brute, that's what Russ does (read A Thousand Sons) not Angron. Read Tales of Heresy and you'll see how Angron does things. I'll say this: you wouldn't like him when he's angry . . . which is always.

For some reason, I now want a 40k Fighting game XD

lordrevege wrote:Horus!!!

hands down. remember, he killed sanguines

^ same here, it could be interesting, though kinda boring visually (it would be the same 20 guys just with differnt colors, basically)

Slarg232 wrote:

lordrevege wrote:Horus!!!

hands down. remember, he killed sanguines

^ same here, it could be interesting, though kinda boring visually (it would be the same 20 guys just with differnt colors, basically)

Except he was pumped so full of Chaos juices and magics that he wasn't even a primarch anymore. He was practically a daemon prince. That, and Sanguinus wasn't even fighting full force. He was trying to convince Horus to quit the stupid siege and come back to the side of the Emperor. And he STILL managed to ruin his armor enough for the Emperor to finish the job.

I don't think Huros counts as at the time he wasn't a primarch any more, he was beyond that in terms of power, rivaling the Emprah.

VikingScott wrote:I don't think Huros counts as at the time he wasn't a primarch any more, he was beyond that in terms of power, rivaling the Emprah.

Hmmmm, no. Actually Emprah held back for most of the fight because he didn't want to bruise his sweet beloved little baby. He only grounded Horus in the end when he realised how much of a bully he had become (entry of the Custodes)

aka_tizz wrote:

VikingScott wrote:I don't think Huros counts as at the time he wasn't a primarch any more, he was beyond that in terms of power, rivaling the Emprah.

Hmmmm, no. Actually Emprah held back for most of the fight because he didn't want to bruise his sweet beloved little baby. He only grounded Horus in the end when he realised how much of a bully he had become (entry of the Custodes)

THAT is wrong actually. When the Emperor saw how Horus had brutally murdered Sanguinus, who was Horus's closest brother, he threw himself into the fight. That was a true battle, and the Emperor would have lost, believe it or not. If not for the sacrificial lamb that was Sangy, things woulda turned out differently.

Hm, you may be right. I could've sworn i read somewhere something like "the Emperor held back for most of the fight and could only bring himself to kill his most beloved son when he realized how far he had gone, when a lone Custodes entered the room, flayed by Horus in an instant " something like that. Can't find the text right now, sorry for the wrong correction

EDIT : finally found the text on Lexicanum

Lexicanum wrote:
The Emperor held back for much of the battle, remembering Horus as his beloved son and not wishing to believe that he had turned so utterly to Chaos. This allowed Horus to inflict crippling mortal wounds on the Emperor, since nothing short of the Emperor's full power would be sufficient to defeat him. At the critical point in the battle, a lone Adeptus Custode guard entered the room. Horus flayed him alive with but a look and in that instant the Emperor realized how far his favored son had fallen.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus

Horus or Sang

aka_tizz wrote:Hm, you may be right. I could've sworn i read somewhere something like "the Emperor held back for most of the fight and could only bring himself to kill his most beloved son when he realized how far he had gone, when a lone Custodes entered the room, flayed by Horus in an instant " something like that. Can't find the text right now, sorry for the wrong correction

EDIT : finally found the text on Lexicanum

Lexicanum wrote:
The Emperor held back for much of the battle, remembering Horus as his beloved son and not wishing to believe that he had turned so utterly to Chaos. This allowed Horus to inflict crippling mortal wounds on the Emperor, since nothing short of the Emperor's full power would be sufficient to defeat him. At the critical point in the battle, a lone Adeptus Custode guard entered the room. Horus flayed him alive with but a look and in that instant the Emperor realized how far his favored son had fallen.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus

Lexicanum is a wiki page. Anyone can write anything on there. My comment was more based on what I personally remember from the fluff, but I also could be wrong. Simply saying, that sounds more like speculation than fact to me. :/

Sanguinius was nasty- I'd say without Horus' demonic strength, I think Sanguinius woulda whipped him.

Rutteger1 wrote:Sanguinius was nasty- I'd say without Horus' demonic strength, I think Sanguinius woulda whipped him.

While this is probably true, Sangy is by no means the best of the best. He had skill and flourish, but Russ and Anngron both had fury and strength, on top of skill for Russ, behind them.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

Rutteger1 wrote:Sanguinius was nasty- I'd say without Horus' demonic strength, I think Sanguinius woulda whipped him.

While this is probably true, Sangy is by no means the best of the best. He had skill and flourish, but Russ and Anngron both had fury and strength, on top of skill for Russ, behind them.

Yeah? Well Sanguinius could FLY!

Lexicanum wrote:
The Emperor held back for much of the battle, remembering Horus as his beloved son and not wishing to believe that he had turned so utterly to Chaos. This allowed Horus to inflict crippling mortal wounds on the Emperor, since nothing short of the Emperor's full power would be sufficient to defeat him. At the critical point in the battle, OLLANIUS MUTHA****IN' PIUS entered the room. Horus flayed him alive with but a look and in that instant the Emperor realized how far his favored son had fallen.

Fixed?

Rutteger1 wrote:

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

Rutteger1 wrote:Sanguinius was nasty- I'd say without Horus' demonic strength, I think Sanguinius woulda whipped him.

While this is probably true, Sangy is by no means the best of the best. He had skill and flourish, but Russ and Anngron both had fury and strength, on top of skill for Russ, behind them.

Yeah? Well Sanguinius could FLY!

Flight doesn't mean he had an advantage. One wing sliced and he's already screwed. Plus, all it would do is give his opponent time to rest while he flew up and kept exerting energy to keep his POWER ARMORED body in flight.

Lorgrar's_Blessed- But flying is COOL!!


But yeah I would put my money on Russ, because he had huge weapons, and a huge beard.

I can see Russ vs Angron being very interesting
Fight!!
Russ: Angron get back here!
meanwhile angron gets distracted by whole hive city and runs off to slaughter in the name of the blood god