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FW, Being proud of your race is only for non-whites, you racist!

lol

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

No wonder I got my ass kicked in Walmart parking lot for wearing a shirt saying "White Pride".

Jeebuz Christ, how could I be so ignorant?

Glad I could help, now you know... (cue star with rainbow trail)

Fateweaver wrote:Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

No wonder I got my ass kicked in Walmart parking lot for wearing a shirt saying "White Pride".

Jeebuz Christ, how could I be so ignorant?

If you don't understand the connotation of "White Pride" and the oppression and harm it signifies, then it isn't shocking why wouldn't understand.

Besides, it is difficult to be proud of fake things. Now if it said "Irish Pride" or "Italian Pride" no one would care, but then those are easier to qualify I suppose.

I'm 1/2 German but tell me if I wore a shirt saying "German Pride" I wouldn't STILL get my ass kicked.

Besides, like Slave said. It's racist because apparently I'm a racist, redneck gun-toter. It'd be A-okay for a liberal to wear a "White Pride" tshirt though.

Fateweaver:

Except I'm not attacking you. I'm just pointing out that the attitudes you're expressing indicate your political leanings, which you feel a need to hide because of the current tide of political correctness overwhelming the US at the moment.

I mean, I don't understand why you'd be ashamed of being a neo-nazi if being a neo-nazi is what you obviously believe in. Take your fetishization of the American Constitution, for example. Rather than acknowledge that intelligent and equal adults can disagree on its content and application, you place dissenters to your own interpretation outside the realm of the patriot, the freedom-loving American, and those who love their country.

That's happened before, in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy where dissenters first had their opinions dismissed, then they were 'invited' to depart, and then they were liquidated.

I can understand that you feel threatened, but that's how fascism and nazism work, by invoking the threat of dissenters trying to undermine a proud nation that was founded by the blood, sweat, and tears of your heroic ancestors. Only by confronting this threat head-on can your way of life be preserved.

You keep talking about the Founding Fathers: By harkening back to an idealized past you're conforming to the fascist tendency of myth-making. The fact is that laisse faire (sp?) has never been the case in your country, and its industries and wealth have been build on gov't intervention on behalf of business and particularly finance. The fact is that gov't intervention is a rich and successful tradition in the USA, despite the legends to the country.

The next step, the one which liberals in your own country and around the world fear, is when people like you, who honestly believe that what they are doing is right, will eventually resort to violence. That's one reason why the thought experiment about the racial make-up of the Tea Party is relevant, because it completely changes the stakes of what's involved (swapping a majority for a minority along lines that the dominant line of thought on racism regards as irrelevant: colour of your skin).

They'd have to have some first, FW.

Fateweaver wrote:I'm 1/2 German but tell me if I wore a shirt saying "German Pride" I wouldn't STILL get my ass kicked.

Besides, like Slave said. It's racist because apparently I'm a racist, redneck gun-toter. It'd be A-okay for a liberal to wear a "White Pride" tshirt though.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:They'd have to have some first, FW.

Yeah, what's up with those liberals and their lack of White Pride...

Too bad Nurglitch that neo-Nazi means I'm racist, I idolize Hitler and I deny the holocaust.

You might view me as being a neo-nazi but it's probably best not to express that publicly. People been banned for calling me less. LOL.

Again, people like me are attacked for the attitude we have. Don't like my attitude tell me once and then leave me the hell alone (and I don't mean just on dakka, I mean in life in general).

Fateweaver:

I'm not attacking you; I'm simply pointing out that there are words for people with your particular attitude: "fascist" or "neo-nazi". I've already explained how that is.

I know you're not used to seriously discussing things with people that are critical of your attitude or politics, but at least try, so that you can prove me wrong about your fascist tendencies.

Now what you need to do now is consider how this applies to your fellow travellers in the Tea Party movement. If you walk like a fascist and talk like a fascist, despite any inclination to own that description when called on it, can you understand why imagining what life would be like if the Tea Party were black is a bizarre non-sequitor?

Put another way, a Black fascist movement simply wouldn't fly in the US. The Black Muslims tried, but even they couldn't keep it together in the face of an important fascist theme, that of a majority whose values and way of life are under siege by minority elements and dissenters.

Fateweaver isn't a fascist. He isn't especially collectivistic, he favors isolationism over expansionism, he seems a strong supporter of laissez faire capitalism rather than a centrist "third way", and isn't consistently authoritarian. And you're not a neo-nazi without antisemitism.

He's just an American conservative, pretty much all the way through.

Yay, someone defending me.

I'm going to make a "White Pride" polo shirt to wear onto the golf course.

Fateweaver wrote:Yay, someone defending me.

I'm going to make a "White Pride" polo shirt to wear onto the golf course.

You just always have to go that "extra" step... don't you Fate?

Well, if people mistake White Pride for White Power perhaps they ought to read more books and watch less TV?

Besides, I don't half ass gak. I either do or I don't.

Meh,for what it's worth I certianly don't belive your a "Neo-Nazi" Fate,I've had a few run ins with the "Nazi" types and you don't seem to fit the critera.
I think Orkeo pretty much hit the "essence of Fate" on the head,you just have some extreamely conservitive views...wich,your thankfully free to have.

FITZZ wrote: Meh,for what it's worth I certianly don't belive your a "Neo-Nazi" Fate,I've had a few run ins with the "Nazi"

I also wouldn't call you that either. As for the German T-Shirt, I suppose it would depend on the shirt. If it said "German Pride" and had a swastika or SS symbols, yeah, that might cause some issues. On the other hand if it is a picture of the country or something it wouldn't be a problem.

Essence of Fate?

I like that. From now on whenever I'm with a girl I'll ask her if she wants some Essence of Fate? It even sounds romantic to a chick.

Then I'll shoot into her eyes and blind her and make her eyelids stick shut. LOL.

I recommend taking five minutes to sweep the Stormfront forums: Fateweaver's comments would not be out of place there. Here's a link to a thread on anti-racism, which apparently means "anti-white" to them.

Notice the similar "liberals are against all racism except anti-white racism" vibe?

Fateweaver wrote:Essence of Fate?

I like that. From now on whenever I'm with a girl I'll ask her if she wants some Essence of Fate? It even sounds romantic to a chick.

Then I'll shoot into her eyes and blind her and make her eyelids stick shut. LOL.

See...that's that "extra step" I was talking about...sometimes...you just shouldn't take that step.

No dude. It will so totally work too.

I will spare you pics but Essence of Fate will be my line.

Nurglitch wrote:I recommend taking five minutes to sweep the Stormfront forums: Fateweaver's comments would not be out of place there. Here's a link to a thread on anti-racism, which apparently means "anti-white" to them.

Notice the similar "liberals are against all racism except anti-white racism" vibe?

I'm simply saying that I have delt with skinheads on a first hand basis,and while some of Fates & the "Tea party" rhetoric may be simaler,I simply don't see them as the same thing.
It would be like saying all liberal points of view are"Communist".

To expand on that, you would likely find many of the sentiments expressed by moderate liberals on Dakka to be expressed by radical Marxists. You need more than that to make them the same; every ideology intersects with others.

I'm not anti-semitic; I hate everyone so I guess maybe I'm emo or is that goth?

I love gunz, beer and wominz. Oh and a good bbq.

This thread is a prime example of how discourse would be vastly improved in this forum section with a few choice permabannings.

You don't have to come in here if you don't like it Shuma.

This thread was getting positive again with no fighting for like a dozen posts.

Stop spoiling the party. Drink a beer and eat a brat.

I thought I'd gone over the extent and nature of the intersections. A prime example: Take the crack about "White Pride" not being "White Power". Search "White Pride" on Storm Front and those are synonymous.

While I definitely agree that Fateweaver and his fellow travelers do not self-identify as such, the Tea Party (and Fateweaver) are basically un-self-conscious fascists. That the thing that spooks me out. Self-conscious fascism marginalizes itself: the Tea Party, however, seeks main-stream legitimacy.

Incidentally if you tried to apply epiphets like communist to liberals, you'd fail. Indeed, fascism attempted to offer a 'third-way' between liberalism and communism. The current alliance between American socialists and 'liberals' twists the language because all Americans are either liberal or socialist, with actual conservatives being classical liberals, liberals being social-liberals, and the socialists social-democrats with a rump of communists, anarchists, and god knows what else to match the rump of libertarians, 'independents', and fascists attached to the 'conservatives'. A rose would smell as sweet, by any other name.

Fateweaver wrote:If you don't love the place you are at than how much sense does it make to stay?

If I don't love being at the Twilight movie I sure as hell won't stay, I'll leave.

So leaving a movie theater is now tacit to leaving a country?

Could you, financially, leave the United States at this very moment, if you so desired?

Fateweaver wrote:You don't have to come in here if you don't like it Shuma.

This thread was getting positive again with no fighting for like a dozen posts.

Stop spoiling the party. Drink a beer and eat a brat.

Which part? The part where nurglitch is calling you a neo nazi (incorrectly) or the part where you're calling liberals puppets? The parts where Orkeo subtly insults you repeatedly, the part where you simply stop responding to dogma because you were flat out wrong (but can't admit it), the parts where the dude with the brad pitt avatar just parots everything you say or the parts where ahtman tries to explain why people might get mad at you for wearing a white pride shirt?

Because I'm not seeing the good parts.

Fateweaver wrote:
Then I'll shoot into her eyes and blind her and make her eyelids stick shut. LOL.

Intersections between fascism and (American) conservatism can't count towards either one, you need to look at areas where they diverge. On economic issues he's pretty much a straight capitalist. He's more conservative with regards to authoritarianism and collectivism. He's isolationist rather than expansionary, which is, whatever it is, far away from fascism. His strong belief in constitutionality is a strong belief in the liberal concept of limited government and an inbuilt restriction on the power of the nation's leaders, and also very much a function of American conservatism.


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ShumaGorath wrote:The parts where Orkeo subtly insults you repeatedly

Did I? I didn't mean to, although I do find some of his opinions inconsistent.