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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 21:27:06
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Stoic Grail Knight
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gregor_xenos wrote: Unlike North Carolina you're pushing majority hispanic in Arizona. it wold require more that, ala speaking Spanish, waiting at a known day labor position, working at McDonalds, that sort of thing.
Been to NC lately?
Here in Texas knowing spanish will get you a job over someone who doesnt....
Gotta love it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 21:27:18
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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ShivanAngel wrote:dogma wrote:Frazzled wrote:And if the illegal aliens were suddenly gone where would you be?
Paying for the increased cost of goods and services with everyone else.
Frazzled wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:For a nation which was essentially founded by a bunch of immigrants killing off the native population and taking all their stuff, a few Mexicans doing low paid jobs that no one else wants to do for virtually no money really doesn't seem all that bad to me
[/taking the wee rather than making a serious point]
Sophistry. Do you have an open border? How about we let all the refugees from Africa come live there, including the Somali khat eating pirates and technicals?
He said it was sophistry in his post. Additionally, your rebuttal is sophistry, as are the majority of your attempts at argument in this thread.
Even though i agree with something being done about the illegals....
Id love to see how many of the " THEY DERK DER DERBS" people would actually get a job.... OR would they find another reason to complain.... I really dont get it, give me a newspaper and a day and by the end of it i bet you i will have some form of employment.
Sigh, quoting people I have on ignore so defeats the purpose.... Automatically Appended Next Post: gregor_xenos wrote: Unlike North Carolina you're pushing majority hispanic in Arizona. it wold require more that, ala speaking Spanish, waiting at a known day labor position, working at McDonalds, that sort of thing.
Been to NC lately?
No, but I have been to Brenham, Texas. its a women's college town AND a home to Blue Bell ice cream. Does it get better than that? Automatically Appended Next Post: agnosto wrote:Frazzled wrote:
If they weren't here would you have a job?
If you did have a job how much money is being spent in your group on people who are criminally here, that could be spent on US citizens-the people that actually pay your salary?
Here or not, I'd have a job. Not too many citizens would be running out to do the work that qualifies people for the program I work for...at least no more than already do.
The we could save that money and spend it on something else or, here's a brilliant idea, not spend so damn much. Automatically Appended Next Post: Its actually a big deal KK. Driving without a license-meh. Drivers WITH licenses suck too. Driving without insurance? yea thats a biggie. I don't know any family who hasn't had a collision with a driver without insurance here. Automatically Appended Next Post: Wow thats cool all my replies are in one post, ahead of the people I am replying to. Its like going back in time....time..time...
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 21:29:20
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Frazzled wrote:
If they weren't here would you have a job?
If you did have a job how much money is being spent in your group on people who are criminally here, that could be spent on US citizens-the people that actually pay your salary?
Here or not, I'd have a job. Not too many citizens would be running out to do the work that qualifies people for the program I work for...at least no more than already do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 21:29:29
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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The Green Git wrote:While I don't live in a border state, I do live in one with a significant immigrant population (Georgia) and I have experienced issues here first hand. Driving in Metro Atlanta in certain parts, Gwinnett county to be specific, has become fairly perilous. The chances of you facing an illegal alien without a drivers license let alone insurance is significant. The Gwinnett county blotter is filled daily with arrests made for traffic offenses and the story is the same one over and over... "Driving without a valid license" or "Driving without insurance" with the occasional "Providing False Identification" or "DUI" and "Hold for Immigration.
Don't take my word for it... check it out here:
http://www.gwinnettmugs.com/
The Arizona law doesn't seem to onerous to me. It appears to need some reason for requiring ID (lawful contact) and if I get pulled over, I have to provide ID. If it's good enough for me it's good enough for anyone else.
Perhaps you are white, middle-class, drive a good car and work in an office.
These kind of laws only seem onerous to the people they affect, rightly (illegal immigrants) or wrongly (legitimate latin-american citizens going about their daily lives).
One issue -- traffic offences -- is getting conflated with another issue -- illegal immigration. You surely won't argue that US citizens never drive without a licence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 21:36:50
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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ShivanAngel wrote:gregor_xenos wrote: Unlike North Carolina you're pushing majority hispanic in Arizona. it wold require more that, ala speaking Spanish, waiting at a known day labor position, working at McDonalds, that sort of thing.
Been to NC lately?
Here in Texas knowing spanish will get you a job over someone who doesnt....
Gotta love it!
Do you think it is bad to know more than one language?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 21:42:18
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Stoic Grail Knight
Houston, Texas
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Kilkrazy wrote:ShivanAngel wrote:gregor_xenos wrote: Unlike North Carolina you're pushing majority hispanic in Arizona. it wold require more that, ala speaking Spanish, waiting at a known day labor position, working at McDonalds, that sort of thing.
Been to NC lately?
Here in Texas knowing spanish will get you a job over someone who doesnt....
Gotta love it!
Do you think it is bad to know more than one language?
Not necessarily, especially if you intend to leave the country. I would at least make an effort to learn the language of the natives...
However plenty of illegals i have met make absolutely zero effort to learn English.
Im currently having to take spanish at the local community college just to remain competitive in the job market...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 21:46:04
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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By graduation Zantar Master of the Pit will have had 6 years of Spanish. Genghic Connie, shortly before making the world bow before her and learn proper Mongol, will have had four years minimum, but likely 6 as well.
Me, I like telenovellas. Ay Maria!
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 21:57:30
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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I don't like the new law because of the way it addresses the problem. Don't go after poor-ass Paco who's just trying to feed his wife and umpteen mee-llion kids back in Me-hee-co.
Nail the greedy scumbag employer who's putting Paco to work at four bucks an hour less than any American would agree to. Dry up the demand, and the supply will cease - and without having to shoot Paco as he tries to do his best by his family.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:02:52
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Commissar Molotov wrote:I don't like the new law because of the way it addresses the problem. Don't go after poor-ass Paco who's just trying to feed his wife and umpteen mee-llion kids back in Me-hee-co.
Nail the greedy scumbag employer who's putting Paco to work at four bucks an hour less than any American would agree to. Dry up the demand, and the supply will cease - and without having to shoot Paco as he tries to do his best by his family.
Better yet, do both.
better (er?  ) yet, properly close the border like every other freeking country on the globe that is a sovereign state, and put the illegals here on a path to citizenship like legal immigrants. But if you commit a crime, you're outta here.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:07:43
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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ShivanAngel wrote:
...I really dont get it, give me a newspaper and a day and by the end of it i bet you i will have some form of employment.
Economically viable employment? I know that, given my finances, I'm better off not working if the alternative is earning less than $13 an hour. I can indefinitely defer my debts for reason of unemployment, but if I have income that doesn't permit me to pay on those debts I'm defaulting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:07:47
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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The US has very tight border controls but they don't work when you have 2,000 miles of contiguous land border which allows people more or less to wander in through a desert.
And I agree with the point about accepting immigrants who will contribute to society and rejecting the chav scum. (It's just a pity we can't reject native born chav scum.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:09:53
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Kilkrazy wrote:The US has very tight border controls but they don't work when you have 2,000 miles of contiguous land border which allows people more or less to wander in through a desert.
And I agree with the point about accepting immigrants who will contribute to society and rejecting the chav scum. (It's just a pity we can't reject native born chav scum.)
Amen to that. I have a few family members I wouldn't mind seeing ousted so they'll get off their arses and work for once.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:10:47
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Commissar Molotov wrote:I don't like the new law because of the way it addresses the problem. Don't go after poor-ass Paco who's just trying to feed his wife and umpteen mee-llion kids back in Me-hee-co.
Nail the greedy scumbag employer who's putting Paco to work at four bucks an hour less than any American would agree to. Dry up the demand, and the supply will cease - and without having to shoot Paco as he tries to do his best by his family.
The demand comes from Paris Hilton, Baroness Scotland, the chicken ranches, and a million suburban middle class families.
It's like the demand for recreational drugs. It won't go away.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:12:28
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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Commissar Molotov wrote:I don't like the new law because of the way it addresses the problem. Don't go after poor-ass Paco who's just trying to feed his wife and umpteen mee-llion kids back in Me-hee-co.
Nail the greedy scumbag employer who's putting Paco to work at four bucks an hour less than any American would agree to. Dry up the demand, and the supply will cease - and without having to shoot Paco as he tries to do his best by his family.
The problem is that "poor Paco" isn't sending money back to support his family. He is paying to get them here illegally as well. It can take years to get the proper paperwork in order so that a person can emmigrate here legally. It is just as difficult to emmigrate to most other countries.
BUT, the U.S.A. is looked at as "The Land of Opportunity" for loads of people. We have Cubans, Hatians, and even Dominicans coming in through Florida and the Gulf States., Chinese, Koreans, and other orientals coming in through the West Coast and Canada. Hispanics coming through the Border States, And Eastern Europeans coming in through New York, New England and Canada. And MOST of these are Illegal.
Could this law lead to some kind of police state? Maybe. But some of these people are not just coming for low paying jobs that still pay better than "back home". Some are coming as part of some criminal organisation, be it drug cartels, "mobs", or other nefarious groups. And the job of getting people into this country is, I hear, very profittable.
People want in and are willing to pay for the privalege of not having to file papers to do so legally.
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Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
:Nilla Marines: 2500
:Marine "Scouts": 2500 (Systemically Quarantined, Unsupported, Abhuman, Truncated Soldiers)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:13:44
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Kilkrazy wrote:Commissar Molotov wrote:I don't like the new law because of the way it addresses the problem. Don't go after poor-ass Paco who's just trying to feed his wife and umpteen mee-llion kids back in Me-hee-co.
Nail the greedy scumbag employer who's putting Paco to work at four bucks an hour less than any American would agree to. Dry up the demand, and the supply will cease - and without having to shoot Paco as he tries to do his best by his family.
The demand comes from Paris Hilton, Baroness Scotland, the chicken ranches, and a million suburban middle class families.
It's like the demand for recreational drugs. It won't go away.
Of course, if the supply is limited those jobs would either have to pay better or be fixed via technical means. It is a hole in economic theory that wages cannot effectively rise if your bottom level labor pool haas no effective limit.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:15:10
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Frazzled wrote:...properly close the border like every other freeking country on the globe that is a sovereign state...
Huh? Border control is an issue in all states that have economically inferior neighbors, and even in some that don't. Pretending that the US is somehow unique in its struggle to control immigration is nonsense. Even Israel and Egypt, together, can't control the ingress/egress of Hamas in the Gaza strip; a border 48 miles long under military control.
The US-Mexico border 1969 miles long.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:35:24
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Kilkrazy wrote:Well I usually have a Melon Soda
What about cucumber soda?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 22:43:45
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Shiso is a kind of Japanese Basil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/27 23:46:51
Subject: Re:What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Ok how about some Celery flavored......
On topic.... If this type of law is what is needed to highlight just what the American Public is calling an "issue" then maybe the folks elected by that same Public needs to be concentrating on that... instead of some bs stopgap crap to keep idiot bankers employed.
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Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
:Nilla Marines: 2500
:Marine "Scouts": 2500 (Systemically Quarantined, Unsupported, Abhuman, Truncated Soldiers)
"On one side of me stand my Homeworld, Stronghold and Brotherhood; On the other, my ancestors. I cannot behave otherwise than honorably."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 00:09:05
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Kilkrazy wrote:
Do you think it is bad to know more than one language?
I feel fairly safe saying that I know more languages than most posters here, although only one that can really be spoken. In my line of work, knowing multiple languages is a definite plus.
If you're in consumer-oriented professions, it is beneficial to be able to speak to as many customers as possible. If you're in a service industry, of course there is value in being able to communicate with as many people that need service as possible.
Speaking Polish will get you hired in service and consumer fields here in Chicago. Speaking Spanish will too. On the other hand, if you're going to get a job in international finance, French or German may be a better choice...
The fact that knowing Spanish helps people land jobs in Texas isn't news, it's common sense.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 00:23:31
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Kilkrazy wrote:Shiso is a kind of Japanese Basil.
I was in a hurry, leave me alone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 00:23:49
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Because... not your country, not your country, not your language, immigrants get out of Mexico, go back to Scotland or wherever...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 00:31:30
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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endless wrote:Because... not your country, not your country, not your language, immigrants get out of Mexico, go back to Scotland or wherever...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 02:39:44
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Here is a good indication of just why such a law is needed....
According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of illegal immigrants dropped by 100,000 in Arizona over just the last year and has fallen from 12.6 million in 2008 to 10.8 million in 2009 countrywide, as the recession means fewer jobs for immigrants and U.S. citizens alike.
10-12.5 million people in this country illegally. Most coming in through 4 states, mostly Arizona and Texas the 2 with the longest borders. this from a region that officilly lists..
a population 111,211,789 in 2009, Mexico is the most populous Spanish-speaking country in the world, the second-most populous country in Latin America after Portuguese-speaking Brazil, and the second in North America, after the United States.
That equals about 10-12 % of the listed contributing population.
Still think its not a problem?
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Of all the races of the universe the Squats have the longest memories and the shortest tempers. They are uncouth, unpredictably violent, and frequently drunk. Overall, I'm glad they're on our side!
Office of Naval Intelligence Research discovers 3 out of 4 sailors make up 75% of U.S. Navy.
"Madness is like gravity... All you need is a little push."
:Nilla Marines: 2500
:Marine "Scouts": 2500 (Systemically Quarantined, Unsupported, Abhuman, Truncated Soldiers)
"On one side of me stand my Homeworld, Stronghold and Brotherhood; On the other, my ancestors. I cannot behave otherwise than honorably."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 02:52:17
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Sheer numbers don't necessarily indicate a problem, and the presence of a problem is certainly not a comment on the quality of a presented solution.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 03:01:11
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Kilkrazy wrote:Perhaps you are white, middle-class, drive a good car and work in an office.
Two outta three ain't bad.
Kilkrazy wrote:One issue -- traffic offences -- is getting conflated with another issue -- illegal immigration. You surely won't argue that US citizens never drive without a licence.
I'd argue that illegals drive without a license and insurance in much higher numbers than the legal residents. I'd also argue that it's direct cause and effect... border jumping and illegally residing leads to uninsured and unlicensed driving.
Let's take a hypothetical lawbreaker, I mean undocumented worker, Juan. Illegal immigrant Juan doesn't have his green card, so he doesn't get a license, buys a car with cash and drives illegally because he can't get the paperwork without blowing his status and getting deported. So... Juan takes that low paying job that no one wants (except the 10%+ unemployed in the US currently) and drives illegally and when he gets in an accident, can't pay because he's not insured. Then as soon as he is released from jail he disappears (or in rare cases is deported) and the legal, license carrying accident victim is left holding the bag for his own damages.
Oh, and all the rest of the law abiding citizens that MUST purchase "Uninsured Motorist" at extra cost to themselves to account for the increased likelihood of having such an uninsured accident. They pay too. Some estimate place the risk of having an accident turn out to be with an uninsured motorist at greater than 50%... in San Juan CA. Statewide, the problem is worst in the Los Angeles, Imperial, San Diego and Alameda counties. With the exception of Alameda, the uninsured rates in those counties reaches a whopping 90 percent range. Alameda County's worst neighborhood, Oakland, is 63 percent uninsured.
So tell me again how illegal immigrants are not affecting the law abiding citizens of this country?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 03:11:14
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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The Green Git wrote:Kilkrazy wrote:Perhaps you are white, middle-class, drive a good car and work in an office.
Two outta three ain't bad.
Four criteria were presented.
The Green Git wrote:
...so he doesn't get a license, buys a car with cash and drives illegally because he can't get the paperwork without blowing his status and getting deported.
You can get a license without proof of citizenship. Largely because US proof of citizenship is facile. Largely due to the nearly paralytic fear of state knowledge possessed by the populace.
The Green Git wrote:
So... Juan takes that low paying job that no one wants (except the 10%+ unemployed in the US currently)
Would you work for less than minimum wage? I know I wouldn't be able to live on that sort of income.
The Green Git wrote:
So tell me again how illegal immigrants are not affecting the law abiding citizens of this country?
That wasn't the statement presented. In fact, that notion wasn't even alluded to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 03:27:11
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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dogma wrote:The Green Git wrote:Kilkrazy wrote:Perhaps you are white, middle-class, drive a good car and work in an office.
Two outta three ain't bad.
Four criteria were presented.
Well, in all fairness, the ability to count wasn't one of them.
After all, there are three types of people, those that can count and those that can't.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 03:34:23
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Privateer
The paint dungeon, Arizona
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OK, Im an Az resident, and have worked in law enforcement. So Im familiar with the legal issues in play here.
SB1070 is almost word for word the same as the Federal immigration laws. However given local concerns theres an added caveat about racial profiling to assure that civil rights are maintained.
The media likes showing the crowds of protestors- many of which were bussed her from LA.
For several months Sheriff Joe was enforcing immigration laws in Maricopa County, and ICE (ie the federal government) decided to stop him form doing that. It is totally ridiculous to say "Yes, it may be illegal, but sheriffs deputies and police officers cant enforce these federal laws, but no- we wont provide the needed personel to enforce them either"
This law does not stop or hinder LEGAL immigration in any way shape or form. All it does it let the everyday cops enforce the laws against people being in our country illegally. They will not be walking up to people in stores and demanding to see papers.
When I get pulled over I have to provide my ID, this is no different.
When travelling to foreign countries you need a passport, supposed to have it with you at all times right? How on earth is this any different?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/04/28 03:37:09
Subject: What exactly is wrong with Arizona Immigration Law SB1070?
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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@Ahtman: There's a joke in there which involves another c-word, but I cant make it on this website.
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