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Ok, seriously? I'm getting sick of this stuff like this. Not the historical accuracy, but the sheer amount of BA hate is getting a bit RIDICULOUS. I can understand some of the hate. You think you hate the Special Characters? I hate them more. A fething flying grimdark emo daemon prince the size of a Space Marine is stupid. A character that can cripple your HQ by EXISTING is stupid. But the other hate is getting old. "Oh, musclenipplearmor makes me angry at BA!" Jesus Christ, this is what GW has chosen as their art direction. They are narcissistic, shiny, golden, vampiric, deep striking NIPPLE MARINES. WE GET IT. And it seems, that nobody can ever shut up about this! "Oh, they have nipples, oh, they have Deep Striking Land Raiders." This is getting stupid. You can accept semi-Psychic giant green fungus men who speak with a cockney accent, blue anime communist mecha-space aliens, psychotic drug-abusing perverse, hedonistic space elves, and an army of fething flying boob-armored Space Nuns who have a massive hard-on for fire.

BUT DEEP STRIKING LAND RAIDERS IS WHERE YOU DRAW THE LINE. Heavens forbid they air-drop a brick of ceramite from a Thunderhawk! No, they aren't airdropped, they fething fly from Deep Space and then shoot nipples everywhere!

God damn, I realize that my army is, admittedly, pretty fething silly (Really, only word that fits), but this hate is getting a bit damn ridiculous.

Yes, I realize this is a hate thread. I've decided to hate the BA hate.

/rant off

I think you're just upset about your Marines having nipples on their armor.

Shh, shh, it's okay. Someday they'll have normal Space Marine armor. It's okay. Shhhh.

SaintHazard wrote:I think you're just upset about your Marines having nipples on their armor.

Shh, shh, it's okay. Someday they'll have normal Space Marine armor. It's okay. Shhhh.

Nah, I have a file. So while my Spess Mehrens might lose their sensitive erogenous zones, they still have a six-pack you could grate cheese with.

Slowly the Blood Angel's red armour will become brighter, then they will get guitars.

I don't really hate any of the armies, some can be annoying at times in game, but I see it more as being a challenge.

I hate Sangy though. I agree the deep striking Land Raider hate is stupid, it fails so much. But using the argument because they have land in their name is more stupid as they're named after the guy that discovered the STC; Arkhan Land.

Sculpted armor did exist. pay attention:

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/romanarmy.html Near the bottom of the page under officers.

http://www.manningimperial.com/item.php?item_id=183&g_id=2&c_id=35 more evidence. And what's that ? Are those nipples?

http://www.medievalrepro.com/Armour.htm second one down

http://www.romancoins.info/MilitaryEquipment-Body-Armour.html#muscle%20cuirass Note the one on the right (with nipples).

http://www.medievalcollectibles.com/s-13-greek-armour.aspx The top one is probably hollywood but the others are legit.

It was generally used by officers for ceremonial purposes but in 40k the practical and the ceremonial are always mixed. There's more evidence if you care to look but of course you won't.


Edit: found more pics.

You basically just made my point for me.

First, every single suit that was legitimately made was purely ceremonial, and only an idiot would wear it into combat. The idea of armor is to turn aside blades and spears, and the creases in muscle armor will actually catch spears and aid your enemy in stabbing you. Yes, it was sometimes worn by high-ranking officers and yes, by the Emperor himself from time to time. Notice that these are in fact people you'd never in your life see on the front lines. Nevermind what movies like Gladiator tell you, the Emperor didn't go wading around in gladiatorial pits, and Roman generals didn't lead cavalry charges. There are exceptions, but by and large, they just didn't. And they definitely didn't do it wearing ceremonial armor.

Second, about 80% of those examples aren't based on historical data, they're based on what's called the coconut effect. We're so used to seeing that crap in movies that Roman armor without muscles sculpted into it is less realistic in the minds of viewers. Very few of those are historical.

Never trust any site that claims to sell "historical replicas." Nine times out of ten, what they're selling you is "what you'll accept as a historical replica because to you, movies are history books."

I used to collect actual replica weapons and armor from 1000 BC to around 1000 AD, and you learn to spot the difference between a weapon that was actually used to kill people and a weapon that's based on a gakky design some choreographer came up with.

IG. So many guns all they have to do is sit back and light you up. Gunline 101 when vs'ing them.

Hmm, dunno, there's things I like and dislke about every army. But if I had to pick one, I'd say probably Tau, purely for that terrible background. I cannot see the appeal in playing young pup, short space communist's (Kroot are the awesome though). Space Wolves also can get my goat, but thats probably due to my Thousand sons and Dark Angels affinity ...

Oh yeah, Blood Angels are dumb too, what with Primarch Bloodius B. Lood Blood and his Blood Angels of Bloodiness.
Seriously, they're made as super ultra-leet vampires. Vampires. VAMPIRES. Considering vampires were the FotM for a while (and still are) they *of course* were unable to resist the urge to make them emo.
And yeah, the Land Raider Droponyoface and the stupid Sanguinary Guard with the typical "I ignore every weakness" rules that we come to love with Spaes Wolfses.

Daemon hunters are bottom? is this because no-one has faced them?

SaintHazard wrote:I hate Blood Angels.

More than I can say with a vote.

I hate hate hate hate hate Blood Angels.

They have the most ridiculous over-the-top fluff that can only be described as "fan spank making it into the canon" (goddamnit Matt Ward, you ruin my Ultramarines and now you ruin the Blood Angels?).

They're emo space vampires. I hate vampires, especially emo ones. Even in space.

They put nipples on their armor. If that's not heresy, I don't know what is.

They wear fugly masks instead of helmets.

And finally, they have the equivalent of flying Terminators. Complete with wrist-mounted bolters with an assault profile. That can DS with 1d6 scatter. Or not at all with Dante. And that's stupid.

Also, Baal predators... really? Fast predators? Come on now. Why haven't the =I= stomped the living gak out of these guys already?

Sorry.

Apologies to BA players out there, nothing personal. I just hate your army. A lot.

Couldn't have said it better myself. with the exeption of the last part, the only thing I hate more than Blood Angels, are the people who play them. At least those who started after the new 'dex. Filthy bandwagon jumpers.

Old time BA player here, not a band wagon jumper, and I agree with some of the new stuff being stupid powerful. Mephiston used to be my dude, I used him all the time. I used him the first time in the new edition without really reading his profile and when I did was like WTF??
Sanguinary Guard were totally unnecessary. Assault squads as troops I'll buy, we've always been into that stuff. But before the "Vanguard" and "Sternguard" terminology codex marines always fielded their veterans as tactical squads and BA always fielded them as veteran assault.
The Sanguinaries are taking the niche that our assault veterans used to, but I guess they felt that was making up for giving everyone vanguard vets now.
For hated I chose Necrons, not for any real personal hatred as I've never played them, but I just think the Monolith is crazy stupid powerful. Could be alright if it was a 0-1 but no they can drop three of them

SaintHazard wrote:You basically just made my point for me.

First, every single suit that was legitimately made was purely ceremonial, and only an idiot would wear it into combat. The idea of armor is to turn aside blades and spears, and the creases in muscle armor will actually catch spears and aid your enemy in stabbing you. Yes, it was sometimes worn by high-ranking officers and yes, by the Emperor himself from time to time. Notice that these are in fact people you'd never in your life see on the front lines. Nevermind what movies like Gladiator tell you, the Emperor didn't go wading around in gladiatorial pits, and Roman generals didn't lead cavalry charges. There are exceptions, but by and large, they just didn't. And they definitely didn't do it wearing ceremonial armor.

Apparently you weren't paying attention to the last part of my post. I stated that they were ceremonial and pointed out that in 40k it is a matter of course to give your armies' elite elements ceremonial looking armor. just look at UM honor guard and tell me that is merely functional. And it's not like a sculpted facade on power armor is going to decrease it's effectiveness; a combat knife isn't more likely to penetrate power armor because of the way it looks. If you would prefer armies where every soldier looks the same you should go play flames of war. Even tau have the guys in charge walking around in silk robes.

Space Marines.

All Space Marines.

Seriously.

I'm totally new to all this tabletop stuff, I still have no idea about all of the rules, or just how bad Space Marines are, heck, I just read up as much of the background stuff as I could, and only recently played my first two games using my friends armies as a teaching set, but I hate Space Marines, and the people who play Space Marines with such an amazing amount of hate I really cannot describe it in words alone.

Want a quick summary of why I hate Space Marines?

Because they are the most boring, bland race out of everything GW has made, yet for some godawful reason, GW can't seem to stop spanking over just how AWESOME they are, and how if everyone is not paying attention to their little mary sue super soldiers, somethings not right. Every year, all I ever saw was tons of new gak for Space Marine players, while everyone else had to contend with maybe a new pistol, or some slightly upgraded stats, or if they got lucky, possibly a new unit or two, which most of my friends where confused how it was supposed to work exactly with current lists. Meanwhile, all the SM players just ran around with their new super awesome units that can Relentless their way across 18` in under 2 turns, and all roll 2+ Invulnerable saves.

As a race in general, the SM seems to attract the worst of the playerbase. I know after saying this a bunch of genuinely good players will pop up to counter this, but the average SM player seems to either be a bandwagoner who only started collecting because a friend told him this edition Space Marines can't take damage anymore, and he doesn't want to have to put thought into playing, or some fresh out of high school scrub who can only comprehend Space Marines are awesome, because they are super soldiers, and are like Marcus Fenix11!!

It annoys me, because genuinely interesting races, who desperately need a new GOOD codex, or could really use new units/models/strats are left with only a few minor things with each new edition, while SM needs so many Codex's to make sure every Chapter gets to be unique and pretty snowflakes, and every year they seem to get tons of new things that add a bunch of new possible strats, or change things up, and their lore constantly gets added on to, usually with a ton of just utter wankery bs.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:You basically just made my point for me.

First, every single suit that was legitimately made was purely ceremonial, and only an idiot would wear it into combat. The idea of armor is to turn aside blades and spears, and the creases in muscle armor will actually catch spears and aid your enemy in stabbing you. Yes, it was sometimes worn by high-ranking officers and yes, by the Emperor himself from time to time. Notice that these are in fact people you'd never in your life see on the front lines. Nevermind what movies like Gladiator tell you, the Emperor didn't go wading around in gladiatorial pits, and Roman generals didn't lead cavalry charges. There are exceptions, but by and large, they just didn't. And they definitely didn't do it wearing ceremonial armor.

Apparently you weren't paying attention to the last part of my post. I stated that they were ceremonial and pointed out that in 40k it is a matter of course to give your armies' elite elements ceremonial looking armor. just look at UM honor guard and tell me that is merely functional. And it's not like a sculpted facade on power armor is going to decrease it's effectiveness; a combat knife isn't more likely to penetrate power armor because of the way it looks. If you would prefer armies where every soldier looks the same you should go play flames of war. Even tau have the guys in charge walking around in silk robes.

No, no, I was paying attention, but if you were saying that all sculpted armor was ceremonial, then it's not really a relevant point. Yes, armor in 40k is largely ceremonial at the same time as being functional. But then again, I think that's stupid. Again, this is just my opinion. But Ultramarines Honor Guard armor looks silly. Those stupid wings on their face are the most unintentionally hilarious thing in the franchise, if you ask me. Likewise, Sang Guard look incredibly silly. So do Ethereals! I'm not denying that! So do unhelmeted Space Marines! Now I challenge you to find any of these things in any of my armies.

What this boils down to is personal opinion. I think Sanguinary Guard are stupid because not a single army in history has used sculpted armor except for ceremonial purposes - you'd never find the stuff on the battlefield unless the guy wearing it was an idiot. Yes, with power armor this is less of a problem, but it's still a problem. No, a combat knife isn't going to penetrate more easily, but a chainsword (in the context of 40k physics) might. A power sword certainly would. Now this isn't reflected on the tabletop, but logically, it could happen.

Space marines in general. I dont hate the list, I hate that there are five billion people that play them. They are nice, but there are other armies out there that can challenge the player more.

After SM i think i would have to hate the IG, way too many template weapons.

SaintHazard wrote:logically.

Found your problem.

Personally, I abandoned all pretense of this game being even 0.000001 percent realistic about 20 minutes into my first read of the rulebook.

Default Rook wrote:Space Marines.

All Space Marines.

Seriously.

I'm totally new to all this tabletop stuff, I still have no idea about all of the rules, or just how bad Space Marines are, heck, I just read up as much of the background stuff as I could, and only recently played my first two games using my friends armies as a teaching set, but I hate Space Marines, and the people who play Space Marines with such an amazing amount of hate I really cannot describe it in words alone.

Want a quick summary of why I hate Space Marines?

Because they are the most boring, bland race out of everything GW has made, yet for some godawful reason, GW can't seem to stop spanking over just how AWESOME they are, and how if everyone is not paying attention to their little mary sue super soldiers, somethings not right. Every year, all I ever saw was tons of new gak for Space Marine players, while everyone else had to contend with maybe a new pistol, or some slightly upgraded stats, or if they got lucky, possibly a new unit or two, which most of my friends where confused how it was supposed to work exactly with current lists. Meanwhile, all the SM players just ran around with their new super awesome units that can Relentless their way across 18` in under 2 turns, and all roll 2+ Invulnerable saves.

As a race in general, the SM seems to attract the worst of the playerbase. I know after saying this a bunch of genuinely good players will pop up to counter this, but the average SM player seems to either be a bandwagoner who only started collecting because a friend told him this edition Space Marines can't take damage anymore, and he doesn't want to have to put thought into playing, or some fresh out of high school scrub who can only comprehend Space Marines are awesome, because they are super soldiers, and are like Marcus Fenix11!!

It annoys me, because genuinely interesting races, who desperately need a new GOOD codex, or could really use new units/models/strats are left with only a few minor things with each new edition, while SM needs so many Codex's to make sure every Chapter gets to be unique and pretty snowflakes, and every year they seem to get tons of new things that add a bunch of new possible strats, or change things up, and their lore constantly gets added on to, usually with a ton of just utter wankery bs.

Considering that around half the people who play this game have at least 1 space marine army- and you hate both them and their army- you might want to consider playing a different game. GW is going to continue selling/ supporting space marines because people continue to buy them and if you hate half the player base, this game's probably not for you..

And as for "super awesome units that can Relentless their way across 18` in under 2 turns, and all roll 2+ Invulnerable saves"- marines can't do those things. Ironically there is one army that can do the second one but it's a"genuinely interesting race, who desperately needs a new GOOD codex"

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:Considering that around half the people who play this game have at least 1 space marine army- and you hate both them and their army- you might want to consider playing a different game. GW is going to continue selling/ supporting space marines because people continue to buy them and if you hate half the player base, this game's probably not for you..

And as for "super awesome units that can Relentless their way across 18` in under 2 turns, and all roll 2+ Invulnerable saves"- marines can't do those things. Ironically there is one army that can do the second one but it's a"genuinely interesting race, who desperately needs a new GOOD codex"

This.

If you really hate Space Marines this much (and, by default, the players who play them) you're going to hate (for no good reason) around 50% of the players you come across.

Find a new hobby, dude. This one ain't for you.

SaintHazard wrote:

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:Considering that around half the people who play this game have at least 1 space marine army- and you hate both them and their army- you might want to consider playing a different game. GW is going to continue selling/ supporting space marines because people continue to buy them and if you hate half the player base, this game's probably not for you..

And as for "super awesome units that can Relentless their way across 18` in under 2 turns, and all roll 2+ Invulnerable saves"- marines can't do those things. Ironically there is one army that can do the second one but it's a"genuinely interesting race, who desperately needs a new GOOD codex"

This.

If you really hate Space Marines this much (and, by default, the players who play them) you're going to hate (for no good reason) around 50% of the players you come across.

Find a new hobby, dude. This one ain't for you.

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Fluff wise I despise all the "free lunches" the Tau get. Saved from annihilation twice. The imperium doesn't get any of that, we have to just cop it on the chin.

As for players every eldar player I've met was an arrogant, hipster emo who hates humanity and tires to be an hero on the internet. Sorry if you play eldar and are a generally logical rational person but my experience has been tainted.

I have no issue with SM, BA, Wolves or Mech Guard (because I play mech guard, well basically I play a codex version of the FW armoured list)

Haters gonna hate I guess

EmilCrane wrote:Fluff wise I despise all the "free lunches" the Tau get. Saved from annihilation twice. The imperium doesn't get any of that, we have to just cop it on the chin.

Yeah I get that. Tau always seemed too innocent/ innovative for the grimdark of 40k. The only way they really fit is to see them as a regime of a different kind (the space commies joke strikes again) but even then the peg is a little too round for the square hole they are supposed to fit in.

EmilCrane wrote:
As for players every eldar player I've met was an arrogant, hipster emo who hates humanity and tires to be an hero on the internet. Sorry if you play eldar and are a generally logical rational person but my experience has been tainted.

I have no issue with SM, BA, Wolves or Mech Guard (because I play mech guard, well basically I play a codex version of the FW armoured list)

Haters gonna hate I guess

I like to think I am a rational person but The first person I met who played eldar was kind of a cheesy git who complained a lot about cheese if he wasn't winning so I can kind of relate.

EmilCrane wrote:Fluff wise I despise all the "free lunches" the Tau get. Saved from annihilation twice. The imperium doesn't get any of that, we have to just cop it on the chin.

Tau: Our Plot Armor is Thicker than Yours.

To be fair, if the Imperium squashed the Tau Empire (which it could, easily) there'd be no Tau empire, and I'd have to choose a new primary army.

Same goes for if the Tyranids gobbled them up (which they could, easily).

Small factions need more plot armor than big ones, big ones can roll with the punches.

Stuppid gaurd

I hate necron they suck!

I think some of the posters in here need to calm down... when you are looking at a thread entitled most hated 40K army, you are going to see some unfavorable things said about your army (especially if you play wolves or BA)

somebody mentioned earlier something about popularity and hate, I don't think thats quite right.

My hypothesis is that people generally hate codex creep and rediculous codexes. I think this dislike is fostered by the high cost of starting a new army, and just how much more crazy stuff these new codexes can do compared to the old ones. The hate is also augmented from the large number of bandwagoners all playing these new codexes for no other reason than thier over the top power builds, causing a disproportionate amount of them to be seen at the table.

Lets look at Blood Angels. I mean seriously, what do you mean your basic troops are flying Khorne Berserkers with one less attack what amounts to terminator armor against small arms fire (3+, 4+ fell no pain)!? Other than that I don't really have a problem with BA codex. Baal preds are fine, mephiston isn't the end all be all, deep striking land raiders is a gimick but land raiders are still over costsed whatever... just those rediculous sanguinary priests that bother me.

Space Wolves are similarly rediculous. 15 missile launchers that can shoot at 6 different targets... well thats lovely, t5 s5 calvery with a sickening number of power weapon attacks and 2 wounds, and the ability to take a 3+ invulnerable save, can be made unique for wound distribution purposes... they are like nob bikers on crack... Rune Priests with Jaws can basically eliminate a TMC a turn, living lightning wrecks tanks like nobodies business, and thier speical charachter priest has a rune weapon that negates enemy powers on a 3+. I almost forgot that they have codex space marines, except better and for less points... that they can give 2 melta guns to, and counter attack... I think you can see where I'm going with this.

IG, while not strictly speaking as silly as these other armies, I can see then why they get so much hate. I mean if IG go first, they can almost cripple an army in one turn of shooting. Scout moving valkries / vendettas can hit anywhere on the board with melta vets. s8+ pies galore. And since its first turn the other army doesn't even get a chance to pop smoke. And generally can't do anything to protect himself unless he puts everything in reserve... in which case his force will arrive extremely piecemeal if the IG has officer of the fleet. Thats just frustrating to play against, no?

Then again, all alpha strike lists are frustrating to play against in general- Oh? I lost the roll off, I guess I'm goign to get my whole army obliterated by your shooting then!

In general calm down. BA and Wolf players you had to see this hate coming your way didn't you? it would simply be ignorant to not.


EDIT: orks of course, are the a tough one for my hypothesis. Their codex is incredibly strong, and does well at tournaments, but people generally don't hate it with any sort of passion. Custom Force field mechs are rather rediculous, and I do hate those alot, and deff rollas are little ott but people just don't hate em as much as these other armies. probably because whenever somebody plays orks lots of models die on both sides and everybody has a good time lol.

I voted Eldar. I hates the space pansies... always runnin' from a good fight, always last turn objective grabbin'. If they'd just sit still I could smash 'em good... oh wait... that's probably why they always run away...

Soooo many armies annoy me because of their appearance...I hate the look of imperial guardsmen-the tanks look cool, but the infantry SUCK SUCK SUCK!! I'm also not a big fan of the space wolves because I can't stand guys with blazing orange manes in power armor-looks cheesy. I can't stand tau again for the appearance-I hate the look of broadsides: they look like fail versions of Voltron to me. Or mechwarrior. I like firewarriors WITHOUT helmets though. And kroot are awesome. Also, when the blood angels first came out I borrowed my friend's copy and planned to burn it because it was so filthy...instead I bought a copy and have played nothing but BA since it came out

timetowaste85 wrote:instead I bought a copy and have played nothing but BA since it came out

Oh, there's your problem right there.

People who like the look of emo space vampires aren't allowed to also like the look of good-looking armies, like the Tau and IG.

Okay Saint hazard, We Get It; you don't like blood angels. You don't have to post after anyone says they play BA and mock them. you're starting to sound like a 12 year old with a chip on his shoulder...

akaean wrote:
Lets look at Blood Angels. I mean seriously, what do you mean your basic troops are flying Khorne Berserkers with one less attack what amounts to terminator armor against small arms fire (3+, 4+ fell no pain)!? Other than that I don't really have a problem with BA codex. Baal preds are fine, mephiston isn't the end all be all, deep striking land raiders is a gimick but land raiders are still over costsed whatever... just those rediculous sanguinary priests that bother me.

In general calm down. BA and Wolf players you had to see this hate coming your way didn't you? it would simply be ignorant to not.

What makes me grumpy is people complaining about things that are not overpowered. Mephiston is pretty brutal; if someone called him broken I could understand. Priests? Arguable though I would point out that they are a 1 wound IC with no invulnerable save. Dante? not really. he he has a power weapon and artificer armor (no eternal warrior) - they needed to give him the curse so he could stand a chance of taking on other armies' big nasty characters. Stormravens? two words: ARMOR TWELVE. And last but not least the much maligned- and least deserving Sanguinary guard. First of all they are an elites choice. Second: they are 5 to a unit. Third: their weapons are two handed power weapons- not relic blades. And last they are not like terminators; they do not have an invulnerable save. I don't remember people complaining about vanilla honor guard(which do not take up any room on the force or chart); why are people grumbling about HG that are limited to 5 and don't get relic blades? Just because they get jump packs? just shoot them with plasma and call it a day.

I suppose eventually people will get over this stuff like they do after every codex comes out. but it will probably only be because a new thing to whine about appears.