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That would work great for an RPG, and I can name a few RPGs that have done something like that. King's Bounty's second game, for instance.

But it does not work that well for an FPS game.

Woops totally forgot this was ony about FPS's

/facepalm at myself.

Also do you mean Armored Princess? That's sitting on my hard drive collecting virtual dust, I should probably try it out sometime.

Yeah. It's still unfortunately very fanservicey though.

The "armored princess" doesn't exactly wear much armor.

Chainmail bikinis...

I think I remember reading an article about some feminist gamer complaining that you could marry women in the orginal game, and all they did was add inventory space.

Now that might seem degrading but every RPG gamer knows that extra inventory space is one the most important things. It shows the true value of women!

Chainmail bikinis make me cringe.

Just think about having chainmail pinching YOUR genitalia.

Ummm, what do you think I'm wearing right now?

I'd rather not.

Suffice it to say that there's a very good reason that chainmail is worn OVER tough cloth or leather

Personally I'd prefer a woman in modern military attire anyway.

Perhaps, say, a pilot whose chopper was shot down, and she managed to survive, hide from enemy forces, and after seeing her wounded passengers being taken prisoner she goes through a long mission to save them and then hold out long enough for a rescue force to arrive.

asimo77 wrote:Ummm, what do you think I'm wearing right now?

And then I had the disturbing vision of you saying that sexually.

Melissia wrote:Personally I'd prefer a woman in modern military attire anyway.

And then I made that an innuendo as well. I need to go to bed.

I say all my posts sexually before hitting submit

That is all.

In contrast:


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Without wishing to quote halonachos' picture, obvious shop is obvious.

Unless she's having one of those Matrix-Agent-takeover spasms.

Alas, yes it is a bad photoshop thank goodness it isn't mine.

Still stands though, imagine GI Jane: The Game.

I prefer the two images I gave.

Melissia wrote:Monster Rain's constant attempts to draw the thread off topic aside, some of you people are taking some parts of what I say too far out of context.

Pointing out that you don't have the faintest inkling about what you speak is drawing the thread off topic? On the many occasions in which I find you saying things that are blatantly incorrect, I feel it is my obligation to say so.

This thread was off the rails long before I showed up.

One thing I will bring up: you can tell (usually) it's a woman under the body armor, guys. They aren't shaped the same way, and don't move quite the same way.

Even in 75 pounds of gear. Or, probably, form fitted 40k style power armor.

Actually it's as much mannerisms,way of walking, etc as shape.

Still, for the purposes of a game and entertaining the players, one needs little more than a reskin, slight change to the model, and a new voice actor.

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:Monster Rain's constant attempts to draw the thread off topic aside, some of you people are taking some parts of what I say too far out of context.

Pointing out that you don't have the faintest inkling about what you speak is drawing the thread off topic? On the many occasions in which I find you saying things that are blatantly incorrect, I feel it is my obligation to say so.

This thread was off the rails long before I showed up.

So your suspension of disbelief allows for believing the thread was off topic before you came, but not for you being off topic?

Also, this comic sums up my arguments.

http://fanboys-online.com/index.php?comic=338

halonachos wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:Monster Rain's constant attempts to draw the thread off topic aside, some of you people are taking some parts of what I say too far out of context.

Pointing out that you don't have the faintest inkling about what you speak is drawing the thread off topic? On the many occasions in which I find you saying things that are blatantly incorrect, I feel it is my obligation to say so.

This thread was off the rails long before I showed up.

So your suspension of disbelief allows for believing the thread was off topic before you came, but not for you being off topic?

You mad, bro?

How can I be off topic by refuting the statements of the thread's OP?

Monster Rain wrote:

halonachos wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:Monster Rain's constant attempts to draw the thread off topic aside, some of you people are taking some parts of what I say too far out of context.

Pointing out that you don't have the faintest inkling about what you speak is drawing the thread off topic? On the many occasions in which I find you saying things that are blatantly incorrect, I feel it is my obligation to say so.

This thread was off the rails long before I showed up.

So your suspension of disbelief allows for believing the thread was off topic before you came, but not for you being off topic?

You mad, bro?

How can I be off topic by refuting the statements of the thread's OP?

Nope, just stealing your phrase and applying it liberally.

halonachos wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

halonachos wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:Monster Rain's constant attempts to draw the thread off topic aside, some of you people are taking some parts of what I say too far out of context.

Pointing out that you don't have the faintest inkling about what you speak is drawing the thread off topic? On the many occasions in which I find you saying things that are blatantly incorrect, I feel it is my obligation to say so.

This thread was off the rails long before I showed up.

So your suspension of disbelief allows for believing the thread was off topic before you came, but not for you being off topic?

You mad, bro?

How can I be off topic by refuting the statements of the thread's OP?

Nope, just stealing your phrase and applying it liberally.

Fair enough. Text and its lack of of nuance, and all. I wouldn't want someone with such a righteous avatar to be upset with me.

The entire videogame market appeals to men the most I don't know why a lot of women play videogames and I would also like to see more playable female characters in games and stories that revolve around them

asimo77 wrote:But would such a superficial choice, really just a re-skin, do anything important for women in gaming?

Wouldn't you rather see feminity itself being empowered?

I think just having the option to be portrayed as female would be a big step in what Melissa is after. I think Zoey in L4D is a good example. Mechanics wise she is no different from the male characters but that's a good thing. There's no downside to choosing her. She's present and isn't a whiny, terrified, afraid of the dirt little girl. She picks up a rifle and mows down zombies just the same as the guys.

Personally when I hear something like, "...femininity itself being empowered," I have visions of a girl in a pink princess dress hitting terrorists over the head with a frying pan and complaining about breaking a nail. I think simply having a female character available and with no penalties mechanics wise is pretty damn good all on its own.

Melissia wrote:A reskin with a female voice actor for the various grunts, breaths, etc in combat, yes. Slight remodeling depending on the game's graphics (Halo and Global Agenda come to mind). Maybe a slight animation change, but nothing that would effect gameplay itself. In the end, a slightly feminine appearance (more slender, slightly wider hips, thinner shoulders, feminine face) and voice would suffice for this purpose, with no need to change animations.

And in today's market I think having that option would be just good business sense.

Please don't feed the troll.

Yes, I'm not really asking for much. Hell, just having the bodies covered with clothes (like most modern military games) and giving them female voice actors and a female face option would really be enough for me.

Having differing animation between gender isn't a high priority, they're both soldiers after all so it can be assumed that they will act similarly. Models, skins, and voice acting is what matters, and in the first one it doesn't have to differ that much.

Although my avatar's probably give the wrong impression, I'm actually fully with Melissia on this one.

I'd like many more games to add female characters properly, and not just because 'bewbs' means sales.

For me its partially because it means my wife will play more games with me, and because I generally prefer playing female characters. One of the best things for me in Halo Reach is being able to play a female Spartan.
I also loved that it wasn't half hearted, through out the entire game, every cut scene, in game conversation, if a gender specific was used it was changed to her, she etc to fit your character.

I'd also note WoW has definately got better over the last four years of me playing.
I'd say most of the female armours now look pretty funky, and much less of a Chainmail bikini fits all look.

Melissia wrote:Please don't feed the troll.

I'm not going to go into all of the reasons that you're hilarious for saying this.

I'd only like to say that when I'm wrong about something, I find that the mature thing to do is start calling names and acting petulant.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Although my avatar's probably give the wrong impression, I'm actually fully with Melissia on this one.

I'd like many more games to add female characters properly, and not just because 'bewbs' means sales.

For me its partially because it means my wife will play more games with me, and because I generally prefer playing female characters. One of the best things for me in Halo Reach is being able to play a female Spartan.
I also loved that it wasn't half hearted, through out the entire game, every cut scene, in game conversation, if a gender specific was used it was changed to her, she etc to fit your character.

Damnit, you're really making me want to get that game even more than I already do.

Damn Bungie and Micro$oft for not releasing it on the PC!

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Although my avatar's probably give the wrong impression, I'm actually fully with Melissia on this one.

Right now your avatar gives the impression that you're into some kind of wierd 80's elf fantasy tranny porn.

Heh, only because of Movember, two weeks and they'll be back to normal.