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sexiest_hero wrote:Nobody would play a game where the female lead looked like a scarred sister of battle, and that's really a shame.

See Halo: Reach and the many people opting to use the female player model. The only appreciable differences are the voice and slightly slimmer arms/legs, so it's not as if they're doing it for the sake of cleavage.

On a vagely related note: One of the things that I like about Warmachine/Hordes is the presence of strong female characters. From casters, to unit leaders, to solos, there are plenty of females being represented, and not in that "oh hey, my midrift" kind of way (mostly...there's one or two).

Hell, the Legion of Everblight has one male warlock, and 7 female warlocks.

The Dreadnote wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Nobody would play a game where the female lead looked like a scarred sister of battle, and that's really a shame.

See Halo: Reach and the many people opting to use the female player model. The only appreciable differences are the voice and slightly slimmer arms/legs, so it's not as if they're doing it for the sake of cleavage.

Yeah, I really, really want this game-- not only because it is supposed to be pretty damn good, but also because it allow sme to actually play me, through my character.

sexiest_hero wrote:I
But hell I'm still waiting for a Black lead in an RPG or anygame where his names isn't Mace barrel Blunthammer, Or D-Brick, T-bone.

The Courier, The Lone Wanderer, The Champion of Cyrodiil, the Nerevarine.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:I
But hell I'm still waiting for a Black lead in an RPG or anygame where his names isn't Mace barrel Blunthammer, Or D-Brick, T-bone.

The Courier, The Lone Wanderer, The Champion of Cyrodiil, the Nerevarine.

You said He Who Cannot Be Named's Name!

I'm going to kick myself for this later. Which one can't be named?

Iur_tae_mont wrote:I'm going to kick myself for this later. Which one can't be named?

TBone...the TERROR!!!! eight lbs of demonic fury with a 4 ounce bite pressure. He's the one that got away. He's the one you don't with...
Run!!!

I love Dakka Dakka.

sexiest_hero wrote:I don't care, I'd love to see a woman in a fps, but then she'd just be a short skirt or short shorts. I'd rather have no woman in a game than some 12 year old slab of jail bait. Nobody would play a game where the female lead looked like a scarred sister of battle, and that's really a shame. It seems that games like Medal of honor would have females in them.

But hell I'm still waiting for a Black lead in an RPG or anygame where his names isn't Mace barrel Blunthammer, Or D-Brick, T-bone.

I'll point to the Mass Effect series with the scarred, female, and possibly black Commander Shepard.

Fem Shep is the true Shep, this we all know.

My Shep had a broken nose that didn't set well.

Meanwhile mine was hispanic.

Melissia wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Nobody would play a game where the female lead looked like a scarred sister of battle, and that's really a shame.

See Halo: Reach and the many people opting to use the female player model. The only appreciable differences are the voice and slightly slimmer arms/legs, so it's not as if they're doing it for the sake of cleavage.

Yeah, I really, really want this game-- not only because it is supposed to be pretty damn good, but also because it allow sme to actually play me, through my character.

So your suspension of disbelief allows for spaceships and aliens but having the wrong imaginary set of genetalia in an FPS just pulls you right out of the game, huh?

I understand.

Melissia wrote:Meanwhile mine was hispanic.

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Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Nobody would play a game where the female lead looked like a scarred sister of battle, and that's really a shame.

See Halo: Reach and the many people opting to use the female player model. The only appreciable differences are the voice and slightly slimmer arms/legs, so it's not as if they're doing it for the sake of cleavage.

Yeah, I really, really want this game-- not only because it is supposed to be pretty damn good, but also because it allow sme to actually play me, through my character.

So your suspension of disbelief allows for spaceships and aliens but having the wrong imaginary set of genetalia in an FPS just pulls you right out of the game, huh?

I understand.

I suspend my disbelief from a nail shoved into it's neck.

Monster Rain wrote:So your suspension of disbelief allows for spaceships and aliens but having the wrong imaginary set of genetalia in an FPS just pulls you right out of the game, huh?

I understand.

You can say that to the other side as well.

Geemoney wrote:I would choose not to play an FPS just because the lead was female.

Tyyr wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:So your suspension of disbelief allows for spaceships and aliens but having the wrong imaginary set of genetalia in an FPS just pulls you right out of the game, huh?

I understand.

You can say that to the other side as well.

Geemoney wrote:I would choose not to play an FPS just because the lead was female.

I must not have noticed that. If I had, I would agree with you. I think both positions are equally silly.

Monster Rain wrote:

Tyyr wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:So your suspension of disbelief allows for spaceships and aliens but having the wrong imaginary set of genetalia in an FPS just pulls you right out of the game, huh?

I understand.

You can say that to the other side as well.

Geemoney wrote:I would choose not to play an FPS just because the lead was female.

I must not have noticed that. If I had, I would agree with you. I think both positions are equally silly.

I support none of the above statements except in the contingency plan wherein I must decide between the two since there are no other alternatives.

Whatever you choose, do it carefully.

Monster Rain wrote:Whatever you choose, do it carefully.

Well, I then fully endorse the decision to remain neutral.

WarOne wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Whatever you choose, do it carefully.

Well, I then fully endorse the decision to remain neutral.

We have a beige alert.



Women and shooters really don't mix.

It's not compelling enough, especially in roughly histroically based games (Call Of Duty: Black Ops, Call Of Duty: World At War) to see women fighting. I know of very few Aemrican women who were actually in combat in WWII or Vietnam. Not saying there weren't any, but the sitiuations were quite extraneous. The Soviets had an all female Sniper Unit, and a Ground Attack aircraft comprised of all women known as the "Night Witches"

As for fantasy based shooters, don't know what to tell ya, they just aren't marketed to women, thus their isn't a huge appeal to foist women into non-traditional roles, not saying it couldn't happen, but it's not in line with the paradigm of a woman in a video game.

WarOne wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Whatever you choose, do it carefully.

Well, I then fully endorse the decision to remain neutral.

What on earth could make a man turn neutral?


I say, give the player a choice. Like with ME, have a custom character builder, like APB did.

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Nobody would play a game where the female lead looked like a scarred sister of battle, and that's really a shame.

See Halo: Reach and the many people opting to use the female player model. The only appreciable differences are the voice and slightly slimmer arms/legs, so it's not as if they're doing it for the sake of cleavage.

Yeah, I really, really want this game-- not only because it is supposed to be pretty damn good, but also because it allow sme to actually play me, through my character.

So your suspension of disbelief allows for spaceships and aliens but having the wrong imaginary set of genetalia in an FPS just pulls you right out of the game, huh?

I understand.

This thread, and the posts contained within it, have restored my faith in Dakka. Well, not really. But it has been quite entertaining.

Monster Rain's constant attempts to draw the thread off topic aside, some of you people are taking some parts of what I say too far out of context.

For example, I recently purchased Call of Duty: Black Ops, and greatly enjoyed its campaign (And its multiplayer, which was what Modern Warfare 2 should have been). I especially liked its cold war / Vietnam era setting, which jumped between various locations that provided constant and refreshing change of scenery every now and then. Quite enjoyable in a genre that's so fixated on WWII and Afghanistan. Mason is a very interesting character once you get to actually understand the full implications of the storyline.

And yet, I definitely think it would have been more enjoyable if its multiplayer allowed the player to choose between a male or female soldier, and that allowing such would help with my own immersion in the game, as well as other female players.

Global Agenda is a good example (especially now that it no longer requires a monthly fee) of an FPS (or perhaps 3PS is more accurate) game that has both genders for every class, and is still quite high quality. In fact, I think the graphics in it are a bit more attractive to look at than the spate of "modern" games.

But would such a superficial choice, really just a re-skin, do anything important for women in gaming?

Wouldn't you rather see feminity itself being empowered?

And I don't mean like how some people think being a stripper "empowers" you.

asimo77 wrote:But would such a superficial choice, really just a re-skin, do anything important for women in gaming?

Wouldn't you rather see feminity itself being empowered?

A reskin with a female voice actor for the various grunts, breaths, etc in combat, yes. Slight remodeling depending on the game's graphics (Halo and Global Agenda come to mind). Maybe a slight animation change, but nothing that would effect gameplay itself. In the end, a slightly feminine appearance (more slender, slightly wider hips, thinner shoulders, feminine face) and voice would suffice for this purpose, with no need to change animations.

And why do you assume the two are somehow separate? The very reason that I want to see this is because it IS female empowerment.

Femininity itself is a societal concept which oftentimes has a lot of negative connotations. Some people (I'm not sure how many, TBH, but it does not entirely seem uncommon from my perspective) view vulnerability and weakness as feminine traits, for example. And it doesn't mesh well with action heroes. Gentleness and motherhood are nice and all, but they need to be tossed aside in order to survive once the bullets start flying.

I think Tolkien put it best, through the mouth of Eowyn: "[...]those without swords can still die upon them."

Something which is becoming even more readily apparent with the advent of global news.

By the way the question was more out of curiosity than trying to start an arguement.

I just want to know what women really want is all. Don't we all? Amirite guys? Or amirite?

That's how I read it.

I should have worded it better, I apologize.

No matter how much schooling I get or subjects I study, I'll never understand women :(

Well think about it this way: the princess that needs to be saved because she is too weak to save herself is "feminine".

An action heroine who does not need to be saved because she can fend for herself is not usually considered feminine, even if she is physically attractive.

The latter makes for a far more interesting character to play as I think.

It's unfortunate that femininity is defined like that nowadays, but I think there are great qualities of femininity like motherhood.

I guess what I wanted to know is how you would react to a story about said princess actually ending up saving herself and the world.