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The venue is open until 4:00 a.m. or possibly all night if the demand is great enough once everyone is there.


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Also, I started a Thread for Maul In the Mall 2011 Circuit Event.

Awesome.

Thanks a lot for the quick reply.

Sounds like the wrecking crew is going to have quite the party!

16 Teams Now - Looks like 20 will be an easy goal!



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So, here's another food for thought that I am thinking about doing at the ATC part of SIEGE.

Each player will receive a GW dice brick as part of their entry fee that MUST be used in every ATC game. Additional bricks will be available for purchase if desired.

In my opinion, this takes any chances of "cooked" dice problems completely out of the equation. Something I have had to deal with in the past and most certainly do not want to deal with again, especially at this level of play.

thoughts?

THE SIEGE wrote:16 Teams Now - Looks like 20 will be an easy goal!



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So, here's another food for thought that I am thinking about doing at the ATC part of SIEGE.

Each player will receive a GW dice brick as part of their entry fee that MUST be used in every ATC game. Additional bricks will be available for purchase if desired.

In my opinion, this takes any chances of "cooked" dice problems completely out of the equation. Something I have had to deal with in the past and most certainly do not want to deal with again, especially at this level of play.

thoughts?

I am less worried in a team event of people having "cooked" dice than in an individual event. Not that it is ever a concern of mine. Even though I played that guy with "cooked" dice and beat the snot out of him even with those dice. But that was the first person in probably 60 plus tournaments I have ever run across that did something like that. But in a team event with everyone playing next to each other it would more than likely mean that most of the team is involved in some kind of cheating which I would find even more unlikely to happen.

But if you want to give us dice at your cost to play that is your choice. But having to buy a second set just so you can roll different dice for other skills ie BS, saves..... which many people like to do would seem a bit annoying at least to me. If every tournament decided to do this than I would start getting tired of all the dice I was accumulating.

Beware of Al. He has Aldonis DNA in him.

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thoughts?

Any of the dice you've ever given me have never rolled well. I'm doomed at this tournament.

I think handing out the dice could be okay. It's been suggested enough in the past.

THE SIEGE wrote:16 Teams Now - Looks like 20 will be an easy goal!



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So, here's another food for thought that I am thinking about doing at the ATC part of SIEGE.

Each player will receive a GW dice brick as part of their entry fee that MUST be used in every ATC game. Additional bricks will be available for purchase if desired.

In my opinion, this takes any chances of "cooked" dice problems completely out of the equation. Something I have had to deal with in the past and most certainly do not want to deal with again, especially at this level of play.

thoughts?

I'll miss my collection of tried and true mismatched dice, but I completely understand. While I have never knowingly been on the receiving end of dice shenanigans, I have heard stories of such from people I trust, about players being busted for it...

Whatever dice you need me to roll is fine with me.....

My Aldonis Tiger Warlock DNA means only one thing....

Winning!

To quote the Sheen Dream:

“I don’t know, winning, anyone? Rhymes with winning? Anyone? Yeah, that would be us.”





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This tournament will be lessened without the presence of the Hod-father of Soul as inspiration!

He too has the Tiger Warlock DNA gene.....

THE SIEGE wrote:16 Teams Now - Looks like 20 will be an easy goal!



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So, here's another food for thought that I am thinking about doing at the ATC part of SIEGE.

Each player will receive a GW dice brick as part of their entry fee that MUST be used in every ATC game. Additional bricks will be available for purchase if desired.

In my opinion, this takes any chances of "cooked" dice problems completely out of the equation. Something I have had to deal with in the past and most certainly do not want to deal with again, especially at this level of play.

thoughts?

I don't think it's nessecary. I believe that one dude with the funny dice was an extreme exception to the rule. 99% of the people you're going to get at this thing are there to really try and compete at the top of the food chain - not cheat.

Plus.. a lot of people have tournament mojo.. how am I supposed to sacrifice the holy cheeseburger to jobu over my pile of kaplow dice the night before?!

I am against this, all it does is add cost. I'd rather be able to use my purple dice for my purple headed yogurt slinging dark eldar anyway.

wileythenord wrote:I am against this, all it does is add cost. I'd rather be able to use my purple dice for my purple headed yogurt slinging dark eldar anyway.

I think you're the one he's worried about Wiley.

I only use Fixed Dice vs you

wileythenord wrote:I am against this, all it does is add cost. I'd rather be able to use my purple dice for my purple headed yogurt slinging dark eldar anyway.

I was actually guessing the home crowd was pushing for this because of that one guy. So was surprised to see post this. I agree with you on cost. Why have the extra cost even if you do get a discount on the dice and can probably write off the ones used and resell them you sill lose out on cost overall. Plus I agree with Blood Angel statements.

If you worried about internet drama and trying to curtail it than that is probably futile because people will have their opinions, right or wrong. Things than can help though.
1. Quality missions.
2. Rule Judges that are readily available and know their stuff. Because it looks like there will be a fair amount of Vetern players, so having rule judges that are weak will reflect on the tournament.
a. try to answer/ some of the standard rule arguments prior to the start of the tournament
3. Review the army lists, make sure teams have accurate lists. Having them turned in ahead of time and looked at would help with any point costs that are added wrong. But this may be asking alot for some.
4. Staff easy to identify and helping run the tourney on time.

If you can accomplish at least these four you are probably going to come out looking pretty good without needing dice for each player.

How much does a block of dice cost? He is only charging $40-50 for the tournament, so I don't see cost as being a prohibition. That is way less than what I have paid to go to for some GW-run events. After travel, a hotel for 2 nights, etc., the added cost of a block of dice is next to nothing.

I kind of actually like it, as it "levels the playing field somewhat" (if of course you buy into the whole "certain types of dice roll better than others" argument enough to think it makes a discernable difference on every roll conspiracy theory...).

Eldanar wrote:How much does a block of dice cost? He is only charging $40-50 for the tournament, so I don't see cost as being a prohibition. That is way less than what I have paid to go to for some GW-run events. After travel, a hotel for 2 nights, etc., the added cost of a block of dice is next to nothing.

I kind of actually like it, as it "levels the playing field somewhat" (if of course you buy into the whole "certain types of dice roll better than others" argument enough to think it makes a discernable difference on every roll conspiracy theory...).

It adds to the cost of the tournament for the TO because the first set is provided. Think we all know the cost of dice so he eats the first set and you would buy the second if you want one. I dont know to many stores that are swimming in money so unless he planned this from the beginning in the registration fee( which since we are seeing this now after the fee has been posted...) he eats the cost. But hey thats his business decision.

Dont see it leveling the playing field any because I have never bought into the size matters. I have beat people with just about every size dice you play in this game.

But hey whatever I just find this leaning towards the paranoia you see on the internet. If I have play with their dice. It would be annoying but not a show stopper and if I end up with more dice I will probably just toss it because I have enough already.

You could also implement a policy allowing the gamer across from you to use your dice.

Some tournaments I have been to have had a very strict policy of: If your opponent asks to use your dice, let them. If they want to use a specific one, let them.

If it's your lucky Terminator die that never rolls below a 4, then you won't mind that I use that die for my reserves, right?

puma713 wrote:You could also implement a policy allowing the gamer across from you to use your dice.

Some tournaments I have been to have had a very strict policy of: If your opponent asks to use your dice, let them. If they want to use a specific one, let them.

If it's your lucky Terminator die that never rolls below a 4, then you won't mind that I use that die for my reserves, right?

Actually I would dislike this more. I feel like my dice are betraying me lol. I would rather be handed a cube.

I once played in a tournament where a guy forgot his dice. He had to use mine and they always rolled well for him and horrible for me. I lost the game and that was the last I saw of those dice!!

Though special dice made for the tournament would at least be nice if we go that way. I could at least sort of have a memento, instead of another plain set of dice.

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puma713 wrote:You could also implement a policy allowing the gamer across from you to use your dice.

Some tournaments I have been to have had a very strict policy of: If your opponent asks to use your dice, let them. If they want to use a specific one, let them.

If it's your lucky Terminator die that never rolls below a 4, then you won't mind that I use that die for my reserves, right?

Actually I would dislike this more. I feel like my dice are betraying me lol. I would rather be handed a cube.

Oh, I'm with you. I'm very supersititious. But, it might save Shane a buck or two and it helps to eliminate any shady business.

I really think that at a tournament like this - which looks like it's going to have a lot of the truly good players in the game attending - we should all be of high character and sportsmanship. Cheating with dice would be bringing disrespect to the event and to the hobby.

At least for my team - and I hope other team captains can pledge this as well - nothing but top shelf game play.

Sabote wrote:I was actually guessing the home crowd was pushing for this because of that one guy.

That guy is dead to this area, we all pretty much quit talking to him after that incident.

Not that it matters, he has never won a game in his life that I know of. And unless there is some super secret local team I don't know about, he won't be playing anyway.

If it was just one incident, and everyone knew the player involved, then the soultion is simple. But I have a feeling there might be more to it than that.

Again, the dice thing is just a suggestion for discussion not a solid decision yet. Unfortunately, it happens and I have heard more and more occurrences of TO's having players challenge other players dice in many areas. This is not just because of a localized situation. Just looking for some reactions from you guys. Thanks for the input.

On a Completely different topic, a Team Captain meeting for ATC at Adepticon has been suggested. I spoke with Greg earlier today and he suggested possibly for a Sunday night time after everything is done. We will be set up at Adepticon and I'm thinking that maybe we can just have a general handout/come by the booth during the weekend and discuss type thing as an alternative.
TEAM CAPTAINS: What would work best for you?

I would be down for that.. Not sure about Sunday night though as some people will already be heading home.

Thursday or Friday night would work best for me.

As for my team, I can't make as I'm not going to adepticon, :sad: but I'll see if some of my team is and have one act in my behalf.

I'm not going to Adepticon, but since i talk to you on a weekly basis, should be easy to communicate.

WC EAST will have a rep at adepticon that can link up if he isnt in a fetal position crying about coming in the bottom 16 in the championship.

I like the idea of being abile to challenge and use your opponents dice.

Are we going to have all the army lists posted up ahead of time or do we do it in the thirty minutes between matchs?

Just a suggestion, how about simply requiring everyone to use either smaller "GW-style" dice, or "squared-off-corner" casino-style dice (if they prefer larger dice)?

The problem that I have seen with "cooked" dice is that larger dice with rounded corners, or more gamer-oriented dice (usually with skulls or some other sort of motif on the facing), are the ones that typically have more "issues." And they may not be loaded per se, but with typically rounded edges as well extra carving grooves on the "6" facing, the 6 weighs less thereby allowing it to face up slightly more often. It also seems to be more prevalent when the players are only rolling 1-2 dice rather than a handful (with averages and an inability to fully roll retarding the weight advantages allowed by the extra grooving cut into the "6" facings).

Really, the gamer-dice with the carved motifs are the main culprit, as opposed to just larger dice with rounded corners...but there is a reason that gaming commissions make casinos use squared corner dice...

Eldanar wrote:Just a suggestion, how about simply requiring everyone to use either smaller "GW-style" dice, or "squared-off-corner" casino-style dice (if they prefer larger dice)?

The problem that I have seen with "cooked" dice is that larger dice with rounded corners, or more gamer-oriented dice (usually with skulls or some other sort of motif on the facing), are the ones that typically have more "issues." And they may not be loaded per se, but with typically rounded edges as well extra carving grooves on the "6" facing, the 6 weighs less thereby allowing it to face up slightly more often. It also seems to be more prevalent when the players are only rolling 1-2 dice rather than a handful (with averages and an inability to fully roll retarding the weight advantages allowed by the extra grooving cut into the "6" facings).

Really, the gamer-dice with the carved motifs are the main culprit, as opposed to just larger dice with rounded corners...but there is a reason that gaming commissions make casinos use squared corner dice...

Well you got half the reason right why casinos require the square dice. The other half however is you must be able to throw it the table length and actually hit the far wall. The reason is you could still manipulate the dice unless they hit the wall and anything else is not a legal toss. Though I did see a guy that could stack the dice and toss them and pretty much call his roll. I actually made 6k on the guy throwing up to that point and previously had been losing so I should not complain . But that is rare.

What is GW style dice? Is that the same as the chessex cube or the ones that come with the scatter dice?

Though I was hoping if it went this way we could at least get some kind of special ATC dice out of this.