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My interpretation of GW-style dice are the little dice that typically come with the starter box sets; or something equivalent that does not have any carved motifs, etc., that might cause a discrepancy in their weight.

I think some specific ATC-designed dice would also be a good idea; assuming Shane could get an order in with a design in time for the tournament. It never hurts to have everyone on a level playing field...

Its kind of sad...I've been in this hobby for almost 20 years, and it has only been in the last 2-3 years that "dice" have become somewhat of an issue. But again, I attribute it to the carved motif design gamer dice. Yes, they look good, etc., and most people probably don't even stop to consider the effects of their weight, rounded corners, and extra carvings in place of the 6's (although it used to be the "1's" that had the carvings on them...but no one seems to use that style any more... ); but intended or not, they can have an unhealthy impact on a game.

but dosnt the one with the 6 holes have more removed already?

What's to stop someone from having loaded dice made up to resemble the cubes that you can buy?

If you think someone is rolling hot use there dice, please use mine, they roll the crucial 1's to wound and 11 and 12's for break checks. Hell all i ask for is average every now and then.

I'd have to agree with stormboy. I like my skull dice, and I'd be more than glad to let you use my dice. The issue I would have is if someone had separate piles of dice that rolled specifically. If that's the case I'd expect that person to let me roll their <4 rolling dice for my reserves.

Almost the dead giveaway is when people use different types of dice for different types of rolls; although I think almost anyone would spot that particular chestnut.

I like my dice too. However, the whole point of Shane's potential decision to go with dice provided by the tournament is that there are some discrepancies between different types of dice, which have been observed over time by different TOs.

On a "normal" die, a 6 should be rolled an ever so slightly higher percentage of times than a 1, simply because of the difference in weight and where they respectively appear on opposite sides of a die, with the 1 side being the heaviest and the 6 side the lightest. This is expected and how dice are designed to operate.

The problem comes in when you round off the sides and corners, thereby allowing the dice to roll easier, which then allows the weight differential to be ever so slightly more pronounced again because the die should roll to the heaviest side face down more easily. Then you add extra carvings, etc., onto the facing where the 6 pips should be, taking off even more weight. The overall size and weight of the dice and the depth of any pips or carvings also affects this as well. The less the 6 side weighs in relation to the 1 side, the more likely the die will roll a 6, as the die will stop with its heaviest side face down; and these particular styles of dice will roll 6's slightly more often than a "normal" die, which is more evenly distributed and weighted.

This is countered somewhat when a large handful of dice are rolled, because they impede other die's ability to fully roll to the heavy side down, etc.

This exhausts my limited understanding of statistics and "dice science." If a player rolls 1,000 die rolls in a game and the extra carvings alter the dice favorably 10 times, then this is probably not worth getting too bothered about. But if it alters 50 or 100 rolls favorably, then this is a problem.

As I stated in my previous post, several years ago, skull faced dice were popular where the skull face replaced the 1. I haven't seen those types of dice in several years. There is probably a reason for that...because the 1 side would be the lightest side of the die, and it would inevitably roll face up more often; people anecdotally observed and understood this, and so stopped using them.

I pity the fool who wants to use my dice! (cuz they roll really bad). Far as I am concerned either is fine.

Are we having a Captains Meeting at Adepticon?

You and I can hang out and the others will come to us

Good luck fellas!

If anything important is discussed, be sure to fill everyone in! Except me, Al would never share info with me...

Here's some important information for you Wiley....

You don't want to play the BNB......

There will Not be a Captains meeting at Adepticon due to no more than 2 peoples schedule syncing at once.
We will be there representing The SIEGE and Dicehead Games and I will be available all weekend long to discuss in person anything that you want to discuss.
I will be taking notes from the conversations and will return from Adepticon ready to address anything that needs to be added/changed.
So come by our booth and see us!
-Shane

I will be coming by your booth and discussing things, shooting the breeze, checking out your wares, and maybe sharing a brew!

Looking forward to seeing you guys (and Gals = Mel).

Also. as far as dice are concerned, dice will be subject to the judges inspection/discretion. For absolute sure. no Hero Clix Dice will be allowed at any event.

We are at Adepticon NOW!! And will be all weekend so come by and see us and we are running an Adepticon $200 ATC Pre-Reg special (Cash or Paypal)

Sounds like 22+ teams signed up for this so far....

Shaping up to be a BIG tourney! Lot's of hard teams....

OK guys, just touching base with some updates:

1 - Pre Registration is now a MUST. The Deadline is Saturday May 14th. If you are coming, you MUST have army lists, Payment and 5 Players Registered with us. We understand that things happen and if you need to substitute a player at the last minute, this is acceptable, but you have to have your TEAM registered, Paid, and Army Lists on or before Saturday May 14th. We want to make sure that we do this thing right and we have to watch our costs so we have to ask that this be done.

2 - An addition to the Mission Rules : No marker may be placed higher than the first floor (NOT the ground floor) of any building or structure. Pretty simple.

3 - We added a BUNCH of sponsors and awesome prize support at Adepticon (and another team) - this event is getting better by the day!

Thanks - Shane

No objectives on the 3rd floor? Minimizing the disadvantage of bikes and thunderwolves, 'eh?

Seriously, this event looks awesome. I wish it wasn't the month immediately following Adepticon. With my club mostly flying distance away, it's just too soon for us. :(

More Updates:

HOW PAIRING WILL WORK:

EACH Round, After teams have been paired against each other by the Tournament Judges, the 2 Team Captains will then pair their players against each other. This will be done as follows:

Team players pairing system :
Captains will have 30 minutes before each match to decide who will play with which opponent. They can consult with and use the help of the rest of the team as they wish. All army lists will be available at this time for both Teams review and consideration.

Players during match will be matched by Captains in the following way:
"Secret challenge" - At the start of the pairing captains chose secretly one player - a champion. Champions can be different from round to round. Both names of champions are written down at the start of the pairing on a separate piece of paper and revealed and the end of it. Champions play on the last available table.

After that:
1. Both captains roll a dice.
2. Captain A who rolled lowest puts forward player A.
3. Captain B puts a player to fight player A.
4. Captain A chooses a table for that game.
5. Captain B who rolled highest puts forward player B.
6. Captain A puts a player to fight player B.
7. Captain B chooses a table for that game.
8. Captain A .....

Pairings sounds cool. I SO wish we could be there.

Edit: Other question redacted, as it appears it was relevant to an error/confusion. Thanks for the quick correction/clarification!

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Post removed due to confusion. I hope the event goes well, it looks awsome!

Please forget/disregard anything previously mentioned about Dawn of War Deployment. I was temporarily touched by Chaos...all is fine here now...thanks!

There are no changes/clarifications for Dawn of War Deployment.

Ryan - Can you please remove your last post to help reduce the chances of any confusion?
Thanks!

Less than one month and counting!

woot!

First off, despite the tornados and storms, we are still on schedule for SIEGE 2011, so no worries there! (Thanks to all of those who have checked up on us!)

Second, the schedule has been adjusted on Sunday morning to begin games by 8:30, giving everyone a little more time to get to the airport or on the road back home a little sooner Sunday evening. If all goes to plan, the last round will end no later than 4:00 and we will have awards done and everyone on their way by 5:00 at the very latest!
Remember, if you are heading back to the Nashville airport you will gain an hour due to time zones!

And once again, remember that we need army lists and payment by Saturday May 14th - IF you have a problem with either of these, please notify me asap and we can work with your situation!

Also, remember that there are single 40k Fantasy Warmachine Flames of War Malifaux Battlefleet Gothic and many other CCG and RPG events in addition to the ATC - So bring your whole club and all your friends - because the more people we have come, the better the event gets in years to come!

16 Days Away!!!!

Believe there is a 40K Team Tournament at 6pm'sh on Friday night as well!

Yeah, should be a real good weekend of gaming.

I'm looking forward to it.

Been laboring over my list for a couple of days now

Crunch times captains! I have changed my list 3 times in the past 2 weeks, I have to get my teams lists finalized and sent in too. I can't wait!

LOL - I think part of the strategy about a team tournament this big is getting the team together and keeping it together until show time.

We've had one guy drop, had to find another, restructure lists and armies that each player runs, etc.....

At the end though - got a great bunch - just gotta finalize lists this week and send it in.....I'm up to version 15 of mine so far in army builder!

Some important reminders and stuff!

1- IF you are having trouble making the deadline, DO NOT JUST GIVE UP! Contact me at shane@dicehead.com and we will work with you to get you here!!! There are a handful of teams looking for players and we can work to get them together and if someone drops, we can work with you up to the morning of to get replacements so Don't Give Up without talking to me first!

2 - THE ATC EVENT REGISTRATION DEADLINE IS THIS SATURDAY MAY 14TH! Army Lists and Payment should be made on or before this Saturday Please!

3 - Please remember that there are MANY other events at SIEGE besides the ATC and encourage as many of your club to come for those events! - Singles, Doubles for 40k, Fantasy, Flames of War, Warmachine and MORE!

4 - Teams need to be present at 8:45 a.m. on Saturday Morning for debriefing and pairing examples.

5 - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE REVIEW THE ATC WEBSITE ASAP as many things have changed over the past weeks, including times, rules, mission and registration. PLEASE make sure that everone on your team does this as well! We have tried to cover every base so there is as little confusion as possible at the ATC.

6 - The Prize Support for this Event is growing Every Day, the Trophies are going to be Awesome - Be Excited!

7 - If you know of any team that are dragging their feet, they need to be encouraged Today! If you know other Teams that have been planning on coming, PLEASE ask them if they received this particular email as in all of the events I have ran in my long gaming career, there is always that one guy or group that just completely missed all of the info and show up the day of!

8 - Please make sure to share this information with your team!

THANKS!

-Shane

Hope everyone is signed up!

Less than a week away!

How many of you guys are competing in the doubles tournament tomorrow?

It will be nice to see what sorts of trash talk starts then.

Blade and Bolter will be there with a couple teams...

About 24 hours to go until doubles! Woot!