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I thought people hated the Storm Raven because it looks like the mutated baby spawn of a Thunderhawk? At least in the leaked pictures it did. I'm not sure if waiting till the official release would have toned down the response to it at all...

Funny enough, seeing the constructed model with my own eyes and with a coat of paint slapped onto it, it's not half bad. Not that I'd build one the way it is now, but either GW has odd photoshop skills or the Chibi-hawk is just very shy about cameras.

Really? Huh, I wouldn't mind seeing one at some point...

I love the Chunderhawk in the flesh. It looks and feels right. My only complaint would be that it should have proper clamps for holding the Dreadnought underneath rather than a flimsy magna grapple cable.

Sidstyler wrote:Well, I don't know about you guys, but hearing about games coming out ahead of time makes me not want to buy them when they're released.

I knew about the Space Hulk rerelease 2.5 years in advance ... and I bought two
And GW sales were considerably higher when they made previews and the creative staff wasn't gagged and handcuffed.

And Space Hulk is a great example. It's a stand alone game with it's own rule set. We know what we're getting when we're told "It's Space Hulk." Then you show a few images of models, a tile or two. Tease, tease, tease... and we just can't wait to have it in our HANDS and play it. $100 game? Bought. Many people bought two. One guy in my store bought 4 of the available 6 copies, then a copy that was available for a charity auction just this last year. The game is just fun and fluffy and gorgeous, and GW somehow thinks that telling us about a game more than 30 days in advance will dull our desire to have it? If they are so uncertain of a product selling itself based on it's appearance or fun value, then MAYBE THEY SHOULD WORK ON QUALITY CONTROL!!!

As we've seen with the Stormraven (and video game screen shots), seeing it isn't as good as having it or playing it. Otherwise, why would we even play the game when we could look at pictures of it.

To tell us that we can see something but not touch it yet makes us want it more, especially as it gets closer and we get a clearer and clearer look at how good it is. Like a beautiful woman in a club. Desire is a part of the human condition, GW. Talk to some women. Maybe they can teach you a little something about making boys' pulses race.

Nagashek wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:
...looks like a carnifex and giant squid had congress.

"There are Tyranids in Congress?"

While I don't want the remora to be our ONLY flyer, I wouldn't mind it being our support flyer. Though honestly if I'm getting a flyer I'd prefer a tigershark, as it seems more apt for an attack role, which is what you'd want on the 40k battlefield. A fighter is better for AtA fighting, not AtS, which the Tigershark is better equipped for.

That said: if GW made an Orca kit, I would buy three for my Hunter Cadre.

Three.

And, to beat a dead horse, one wonders why GW doesn't just offer a photo shopped pic on the back of the January WD with three different flyers and explosions and stuff, and at the bottom it says "July."

Then the next month they start talking about O+G or something. They could have WD littered with easter eggs for people to find that offer hints on what's to come. Instead? The jump out of the bushes the month before a release and say "HEY! Here's something new!" If they'd told me a few months ahead of time, I could have saved money from my non-GW hobbies and spent $300 in one day on the FotM. But no. Instead they keep the tightest possible lid on EVERYTHING until it's been released. Can you imagine if the video game community did this? How much money would game companies make if there was no CES or E3? :sigh:

Not wanting to belabour the obvious, but GW have had falling sales pretty much continuously for several years.

Maybe their publicity department is DOING IT WRONG.

Safe bet is that observation is spot on.

CLEARLY they need to do something different.

And better.

Heretical Blasphemers! Clearly they only put out falling sales reports out of a sense of modest nobility!

Gee I seem to recall that GW did this EXACT THING only.... a few years ago.... lets see... AH YES...
Here it is... rules for fliers and all that. As I recall there were lots of people fielding these fighters in tabletop battles.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1340005_Bommerz_Over_Da_Sulphur_River.pdf

helgrenze wrote:Gee I seem to recall that GW did this EXACT THING only.... a few years ago.... lets see... AH YES...
Here it is... rules for fliers and all that. As I recall there were lots of people fielding these fighters in tabletop battles.
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1340005_Bommerz_Over_Da_Sulphur_River.pdf

Just like an Okie to be a wet blanket. Now you're going to run out and try to break the law because the people voted for you and by god that makes you right!

I think GW should stay with the gradual approach. They released the valkery for Imperial Guard, made rules for Tyranid harpies (maybe a model one day), and now the stormraven for blood angels. They should continue to introduce fliers for each codex release.

"There are Tyranids in Congress?"

LOLZ - of COURSE there are! Have you seen these people? Mindless, ravening monsters with an occasional control node of evil, alien, intelligence guiding them to subvert and consume us utterly. Watch CSPAN sometime, see if I'm wrong.

While I don't want the remora to be our ONLY flyer, I wouldn't mind it being our support flyer. Though honestly if I'm getting a flyer I'd prefer a tigershark, as it seems more apt for an attack role, which is what you'd want on the 40k battlefield. A fighter is better for AtA fighting, not AtS, which the Tigershark is better equipped for.

>>seconded

That said: if GW made an Orca kit, I would buy three for my Hunter Cadre.

Three.

>>seconded, agaiin




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Sidstyler wrote:Well, I don't know about you guys, but hearing about games coming out ahead of time makes me not want to buy them when they're released. I was so excited for Deus Ex 3 when I had no idea it was coming out, and then when the trailer was shown at E3 my excitement instantly died and now I couldn't care less. Definitely haven't had it on my Steam wishlist for months and definitely won't be buying it when it officially comes out. Not at all.

I mean that's the only reason the stormraven is so unpopular after all, because it was leaked too soon. If no one had seen any pictures of it until it was in White Dwarf everyone would have looooved it!

No, the reason people don't looooooooove it is that it's FUGLY. The Caestus looks far better, and for what probably amounts to similar cost - I'll be getting one of those. Actually, I'll just finish my kit-based Stormraven from before we had a clue what it was going to look like.

VoidAngel wrote:That said: if GW made an Orca kit, I would buy three for my Hunter Cadre.

Three.

A GW Orca would be a blessing as the FW one I'm building right now (and apparently how all are cast now with the deteriorating moulds) has its dimensions off by quite a bit on some key parts making for lots of gap filling and some major counter-warping work. One thing though, if GW makes an Orca, don't expect a detailed command center like the FW one. The troop bay is probable but the custom seated Fire Warriors would be expecting a bit much. They would likely just have an open, bare bay to keep down costs of moulding.

As for the combat flyers, a Barracuda would really be better suited to 40K as the Tiger Shark is a super-heavy flyer. Sure the Barracuda is officially an air superiority fighter but it is plenty suited for engaging ground targets. With an Ion Cannon, TL Missile Pod, 2x Burst Cannons, and an optional 4x Seeker missiles the Barracuda packs probably the most dakka out of any of the fighters. As far as sheer weaponry, I think only the Thunderbolt or Fighta Bommer could rival it (though the Fighta Bommer would be missing a lot of its shots).

GW could sell a ton of Orca kits.

It would be nice if they included a sprue to convert it to a gunship. Kroothawk has some pictures of Orca variants.

SonicPara wrote:

Nagashek wrote:That said: if GW made an Orca kit, I would buy three for my Hunter Cadre.

Three.

A GW Orca would be a blessing as the FW one I'm building right now (and apparently how all are cast now with the deteriorating moulds) has its dimensions off by quite a bit on some key parts making for lots of gap filling and some major counter-warping work. One thing though, if GW makes an Orca, don't expect a detailed command center like the FW one. The troop bay is probable but the custom seated Fire Warriors would be expecting a bit much. They would likely just have an open, bare bay to keep down costs of moulding.

As for the combat flyers, a Barracuda would really be better suited to 40K as the Tiger Shark is a super-heavy flyer. Sure the Barracuda is officially an air superiority fighter but it is plenty suited for engaging ground targets. With an Ion Cannon, TL Missile Pod, 2x Burst Cannons, and an optional 4x Seeker missiles the Barracuda packs probably the most dakka out of any of the fighters. As far as sheer weaponry, I think only the Thunderbolt or Fighta Bommer could rival it (though the Fighta Bommer would be missing a lot of its shots).

No interior detail on the GW Orca? Wouldn't care. Give me a ramp and 4 boxy engines and i'm set. It just makes for the perfect Apoc support craft: a means to insert my Firewarriors from reserve in STYLE. The best place for GW to start with flyers, IMO, is where they have: the 41st millenial equivilant to the Blackhawk. Anything that provides close air support to the troopers it is inserting or extracting is what is most appreciated.

Or some Gorram air support.

Might and possibly is nothing but my local Meadowhall store has their Stormraven painted up in Ultramarine colours.

at first I thought the picture was horrible, then saw others from better angles and were more welcoming of it.
However having seen it in person.
No, it just doesn't look, "right", not big enough (how many marines can it hold?) and looks out of proportion, the front end way to heavy. :/

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the Barracuda as a heavy support choice in the next Tau codex.

talking about falling gw sales, didnt they jump up when they did the medusa campain? o.O i know my flgs did

If this is true, I'm getting a Tyranid Harridan, it's always nice to have the biggest thing in the sky.

Small update by stickmonkey:

There is a concern that the quality of a few models is not where they want it to be. Most prominently the eldar flyer having too delicate of pieces as currently designed. If the models don't all pass QA this week, it is likely this project will either be pushed back or tabled.

Funny, shouldn't quality control be already done long ago?

Given some of the releases that make it out the door...

Also, very convenient timing for this one, isn't it?

Sidstyler wrote:Well, I don't know about you guys, but hearing about games coming out ahead of time makes me not want to buy them when they're released. I was so excited for Deus Ex 3 when I had no idea it was coming out, and then when the trailer was shown at E3 my excitement instantly died and now I couldn't care less. Definitely haven't had it on my Steam wishlist for months and definitely won't be buying it when it officially comes out. Not at all.

I mean that's the only reason the stormraven is so unpopular after all, because it was leaked too soon. If no one had seen any pictures of it until it was in White Dwarf everyone would have looooved it!

No, the reason people don't looooooooove it is that it's FUGLY. The Caestus looks far better, and for what probably amounts to similar cost - I'll be getting one of those. Actually, I'll just finish my kit-based Stormraven from before we had a clue what it was going to look like.

Someone doesn't get sarcasm.

The caestus does not look better, btw. It's just as ugly, couldn't hold 12 Marines, and couldn't "realistically fly", either.

Sidstyler wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Well, I don't know about you guys, but hearing about games coming out ahead of time makes me not want to buy them when they're released. I was so excited for Deus Ex 3 when I had no idea it was coming out, and then when the trailer was shown at E3 my excitement instantly died and now I couldn't care less. Definitely haven't had it on my Steam wishlist for months and definitely won't be buying it when it officially comes out. Not at all.

I mean that's the only reason the stormraven is so unpopular after all, because it was leaked too soon. If no one had seen any pictures of it until it was in White Dwarf everyone would have looooved it!

No, the reason people don't looooooooove it is that it's FUGLY. The Caestus looks far better, and for what probably amounts to similar cost - I'll be getting one of those. Actually, I'll just finish my kit-based Stormraven from before we had a clue what it was going to look like.

Someone doesn't get sarcasm.

The caestus does not look better, btw. It's just as ugly, couldn't hold 12 Marines, and couldn't "realistically fly", either.

I'd put more faith in it then a Monolith though. That thing Definitely is breaking some laws of physics, turrets couldn't possibly flap fast enough.

Necrons don't need faith (humor noted and processed for later dissection)

They have the 'any sufficiently complex technology is indistinguishable from magic' blag

Ascalam wrote:
They have the 'any sufficiently complex technology is indistinguishable from magic' blag

The C'tan did it!

I still hope the flyers get through. Always enjoy new plastic sets

Kroothawk wrote:Small update by stickmonkey:

There is a concern that the quality of a few models is not where they want it to be. Most prominently the eldar flyer having too delicate of pieces as currently designed. If the models don't all pass QA this week, it is likely this project will either be pushed back or tabled.

Funny, shouldn't quality control be already done long ago?

Oh my God, this is such a shocker. It completely changes everything I've ever thought about GW. I'm not sure if my mind can process the paradigm shift. I need a paper bag to breathe into.

(*HUFF* *HUFF* *HUFF*)

That's better.

You mean to tell me GW actually has a QA department?

What a load of crap. It was always a load of crap.

...the rumors or that GW has a QA department?

Sidstyler wrote:...the rumors or that GW has a QA department?

99% of Stickmonkey's posts.