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Kanluwen you have won me over to your line of thinking, but I still think as many races as possible should be involved, even if that meant running two seperate campaigns and dividing the races up into which on they fit best.

Just because we can justify them all being their doesn't mean they should all be their.

maybe as I mentioned before we run a controlled test group, keep it small with like 3 factions, and then go from their.

if the system works well and the response from the community is positive we can then branch.

after we get this figured out I see no problem with running multple summer campaigns allowing us to discriminate against certain races in certain campaigns.

Set it in the Macharian Crusade. Two sides: The Imperium Vs. Everyone Else.

The overall score will effect the outcome of how successful/failed the crusade was. But you can add up individual scores for each race/army to see who contributed most in progressing/halting the crusade and name an individual winner for each side.

Inter race wars outside of the imperium can be explained through Armys fleeing/advancing towards the imperium coming into contact with others etc. Results of these battles will increase the winning races individual score and deplete the losers but have no effect on the overall score.

What's wrong with something like that to include all races?

There was no Tau in the Macharian Crusade

Kanluwen wrote:There was no Tau in the Macharian Crusade

What about Gypsy Tau?

No, as in the Tau(and Tyranids for that matter) didn't exist during the Macharian Crusade.

And for the sake of a campaign we'll just ignore that.

Can't ignore it, not if you're wanting to do the Macharian Crusade.

Kanluwen wrote:Can't ignore it, not if you're wanting to do the Macharian Crusade.

Why? Who gives a crap. It's a game.

whatwhat wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Can't ignore it, not if you're wanting to do the Macharian Crusade.

Why? Who gives a crap. It's a game.

Lots of people do because the Fluff has already been written for it

If you really want to get picky about it we'll say a few systems have been infiltrated by gene stealer cults and sprung nid outbreaks. And the Tau can be waging their own expansion war at home.

Toeko wrote:Lots of people do because the Fluff has already been written for it

If someone can't ignore a few strains in the fluff in order to allow all payers to participate then it wouldn't matter because we'd lose less people than we would gain.

If the overall objective of the campaign is to create something that is enjoyable for the community as a whole then provisions must be made to include all races.
If a two theatre campaign is whats needed,then by all means that would be the way to go,even if the campaign backstory requires a bit of "tweaking"
IMO our goals should be to create an interesting campaign with various objectives/victory conditions that the entire community can participate in.

whatwhat wrote:If you really want to get picky about it we'll say a few systems have been infiltrated by gene stealer cults and sprung nid outbreaks. And the Tau can be waging their own expansion war at home.

Toeko wrote:Lots of people do because the Fluff has already been written for it

If someone can't ignore a few strains in the fluff in order to allow all payers to participate then it wouldn't matter because we'd lose less people than we would gain.

why tweek when we can create our own.

Toeko wrote:

whatwhat wrote:If you really want to get picky about it we'll say a few systems have been infiltrated by gene stealer cults and sprung nid outbreaks. And the Tau can be waging their own expansion war at home.

Toeko wrote:Lots of people do because the Fluff has already been written for it

If someone can't ignore a few strains in the fluff in order to allow all payers to participate then it wouldn't matter because we'd lose less people than we would gain.

why tweek when we can create our own.

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It's barely a "tweak" anyway what I suggested there. Contrary to what Kanluwen just said nids and tau did exist in the time of the Macharian crusade (it's m41) . The only problem is the Tau who would be quite far away from home. But the Tau are expanding their empire in this period so they can occupy a sub theatre. Sorted.

whatwhat wrote:

Toeko wrote:

whatwhat wrote:If you really want to get picky about it we'll say a few systems have been infiltrated by gene stealer cults and sprung nid outbreaks. And the Tau can be waging their own expansion war at home.

Toeko wrote:Lots of people do because the Fluff has already been written for it

If someone can't ignore a few strains in the fluff in order to allow all payers to participate then it wouldn't matter because we'd lose less people than we would gain.

why tweek when we can create our own.

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It's barely a "tweak" anyway what I suggested there. Contrary to what Kanluwen just said nids and tau did exist in the time of the Macharian crusade (it's m41) . The only problem is the Tau who would be quite far away from home. But the Tau are expanding their empire in this period so they can occupy a sub theatre. Sorted.

I'm not opposed to your Idea, I like to "tweak" things alot because it makes it easier than building it all from the ground up. I'm just thinking we could create our own "theatre" so to speak for the setting.

Overall,would it not simply be a matter of creating an " catalyst/situation and/or crisis occurs affecting sectors A-1 and A-2,..Races A,B,C,D may fight in sector A-1,Races A,B,E,F and G may fight in sector A-2" scenario?

Toeko wrote:

whatwhat wrote:

Toeko wrote:

whatwhat wrote:If you really want to get picky about it we'll say a few systems have been infiltrated by gene stealer cults and sprung nid outbreaks. And the Tau can be waging their own expansion war at home.

Toeko wrote:Lots of people do because the Fluff has already been written for it

If someone can't ignore a few strains in the fluff in order to allow all payers to participate then it wouldn't matter because we'd lose less people than we would gain.

why tweek when we can create our own.

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It's barely a "tweak" anyway what I suggested there. Contrary to what Kanluwen just said nids and tau did exist in the time of the Macharian crusade (it's m41) . The only problem is the Tau who would be quite far away from home. But the Tau are expanding their empire in this period so they can occupy a sub theatre. Sorted.

I'm not opposed to your Idea, I like to "tweak" things alot because it makes it easier than building it all from the ground up. I'm just thinking we could create our own "theatre" so to speak for the setting.

Sure you could, in fact i thought through a few ideas before I gave that one. I couldn't think of anything though more feasable than an expansionist crusade for including everybody. Feel free to suggest one if you can though.

FITZZ wrote: Overall,would it not simply be a matter of creating an " catalyst/situation and/or crisis occurs affecting sectors A-1 and A-2,..Races A,B,C,D may fight in sector A-1,Races A,B,E,F and G may fight in sector A-2" scenario?

And what about if C wants to Play F? The problem is not just including everybody but warranting any battle between any race/army.

I have been wanting to try to do an online campaign through dakka for quite some time now, and have some ideas of how it would be done. If anyone else is interested, I would be down to help out.

my concept was to have three forces, Force Imperial, Force Chaos, and a Neutral force. then a campaign map would be set up and number of victories for each fraction would dictate who controlled that region on the campaign map, each region would give a plot thing, as well as maybe some sort of extra game mechanic. This way all races can be used in some way. My concept was a prison planet which has had an uprising and it has taken several years for the imperial forces to respond. This way we have the imperial trying to retake the planet, as well as whatever government has attempted to command the planet maybe it is a chaos one due to some imprisioned cults. Then there is still a large section of the planet controlled by various gangs, warbands, pirates, maybe orks and tyranids which were being experimented on within the planet's hidden labs. This way any army can really be a part of it, but it can also be divided into various fractions since the game gets much more complex plotwise and gamewise when you have every race competing for its own goals!


I also liked Polonius' idea of having multiple battlefronts, all part of the same war, but each allowing different groups of races to battle it out. Maybe a certain artifact is needed to kill a great demon, but this artifact is in Tau space, etc.

I also agree when Kanluwen says that a good campaign is like a good D&D game. the game falls apart once you attempt to include everything, but rather youhave to focus on something, but by focusing it does not mean excluding anything from the game. All we need to do is find some sort of foundation story and then from there find a way for races to fit in, if we just try to focus on getting all the races in we end up with an unusual plot flawed story that is trying to be too much. I do think there is a way to include all the races but it has to be done in a way which makes the fact that we are having all the races in the game not a focus point, if that makes any sense? Thats why i like the idea of having fractions and then each fraction can be composed of any races as long as it fits the storyline of the fraction. Only issue here is Necrons and Tyranids, which is why i was thinking of a neutral/warband/raiders fraction which would allow any race to join from rebellious guard platoons, to eldar pirates, to ork infestations, etc.


sorry if thats long, that is just what came into my head now.

Kanluwen wrote:

Asuron wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Honestly, the way I'd do it, at least in terms of what armies are involved, is the same way that Forge World has described how you can do their campaigns.

It's designed to be an "in-depth account of a specific campaign, detailing specific forces that were used during the course of that campaign". But, there's nothing to stop you from adjusting minor details like the planets and armies involved.

The thing is it would be unfair to exclude people simply due to the fact that they don't have access to an army that is involved in a specific campaign.
If a "Fan Campaign" were to begin,I would hope provisions would be made to make it inclusive to everyone interested...
...I realize that may be difficult in terms of "story",but it would seem to me the "fair" thing to do.

Yeah, but when you get down to the nitty-gritty of it?

There's not much that can be done with certain armies.

Tau, for example, are found nowhere outside of the Eastern Fringe. They just haven't spread out that far.
By that same measure, Chaos forces aren't found within the Eastern Fringe. There's no real way for them to sustain their forces or operate the way they do elsewhere, like around the Maelstrom and the Eye of Terror.
Necrons aren't going to be found anywhere there's no Tomb Worlds, because they're almost exclusively involved in defensive operations with that part in mind--or in snatches for operations that are so far beyond the pale that it's impossible to really build a storyline for.

As Medusa V, in my opinion proved, you can either have story or fairness.
Eye of Terror worked well because it was a multi-fronted campaign, but it also suffered from a lack of specific narrative because of the wide scope it encompassed.

See the beauty of creating your own campaign, is that anyone can be there for whatever reason you want
It could be that necrons were already on a world in the system and were awoken
It could be near the Eastern fringe so Tau can participate
You could have Chaos forces summoned to a planet by stranded Chaos cultists
The list is endless my friend=)

Naturally plot coherency will have to be taken into account, but I'm sure that bridge will be crossed when we get there

What "plot coherency" is there in the scenarios you just mentioned?

That's a perfect example of just trying to shoehorn everything in under the guise of 'fairness'.

They were examples....
Not actual ideas I was going to pitch, because I can see problems with them myself

But honestly, if its a global campaign that we want everyone to participate in, why, why would you suggest keeping people with certain armies out
If you want this to be as big as possible and as fun for as many people as possible, you have to let everyone join
Thats just the way it is