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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Did you actually read the thread? It's basically three and a half pages of what you just said, with the occasional comment on procreation possibly being valued...

Also, to be pedantic, relationships between the Guard, Navy, and Commissariat are expressly prohibited, as are those that cross significant rank differences.

I made my post in response to people who still even after reading this thread state that the Imperium hates LGBT's because its "Catholic Space Nazi's". They don't read fluff or just ignore it and state their opinion that the Imperium hates LGBT's because the Imperium is Nazi's. I agree with them in the fact the Imperium is Nazi-like but unlike the Nazi's of WW2, the Imperium is mostly right in their xenophobia. As the Nazi's of real life were just spouting bullcr*p reasons and scapegoating for their slaughter whereas the Imperium doesn't scapegoat against anyone. What they say about Chaos is true, about mutants is 50% true and 50% false while aliens is 80% true and 20% or 10% false.

As for your statement about prohibitions against such relations doesn't mean those relations don't exist. Look at the Ciaphas Cain books, their are two lesbians who are of different ranks and Cain who knows its against regulations because of the rank difference but only cares because it might cause problems on the battlefield and no other reasons. Once he knew it wouldn't cause problems he basically ignores them.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:Has there ever been any reference to an openly heterosexual Inquisitor or High Lord of Terra? If so, I think that would make it quite clear about the IoM's policy on the matter.

Well?
If being homosexual wasn't frowned on or socially unnacceptable, why would anyone need to be 'open' about defying the social norms when the social norms aren't concerned with said action?

I'll admit, poor choice of words on my part. What I had meant to say was if their were any confirmed or acknowledged homosexual Inquisitors or High Lords of Terra.

And on reading what you quoted, did I really say heterosexual in my post? I totally meant homosexual.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Did you actually read the thread? It's basically three and a half pages of what you just said, with the occasional comment on procreation possibly being valued...

Also, to be pedantic, relationships between the Guard, Navy, and Commissariat are expressly prohibited, as are those that cross significant rank differences.

I made my post in response to people who still even after reading this thread state that the Imperium hates LGBT's because its "Catholic Space Nazi's". They don't read fluff or just ignore it and state their opinion that the Imperium hates LGBT's because the Imperium is Nazi's. I agree with them in the fact the Imperium is Nazi-like but unlike the Nazi's of WW2, the Imperium is mostly right in their xenophobia. As the Nazi's of real life were just spouting bullcr*p reasons and scapegoating for their slaughter whereas the Imperium doesn't scapegoat against anyone. What they say about Chaos is true, about mutants is 50% true and 50% false while aliens is 80% true and 20% or 10% false.

As for your statement about prohibitions against such relations doesn't mean those relations don't exist. Look at the Ciaphas Cain books, their are two lesbians who are of different ranks and Cain who knows its against regulations because of the rank difference but only cares because it might cause problems on the battlefield and no other reasons. Once he knew it wouldn't cause problems he basically ignores them.

No one has gone on about Space Nazi's and LGBT. You're responding to arguments that aren't there.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:Has there ever been any reference to an openly heterosexual Inquisitor or High Lord of Terra? If so, I think that would make it quite clear about the IoM's policy on the matter.

Well?
If being homosexual wasn't frowned on or socially unnacceptable, why would anyone need to be 'open' about defying the social norms when the social norms aren't concerned with said action?

I'll admit, poor choice of words on my part. What I had meant to say was if their were any confirmed or acknowledged homosexual Inquisitors or High Lords of Terra.

And on reading what you quoted, did I really say heterosexual in my post? I totally meant homosexual.

No that was me demonstrating a point.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
No that was me demonstrating a point.

Fair enough.

This may just be me here, but I get a definite bisexual vibe from Amberly Vail(sp?), the female Inquisitor that provided the comments in Commissar Cain's memoirs. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
No that was me demonstrating a point.

Fair enough.

This may just be me here, but I get a definite bisexual vibe from Amberly Vail(sp?), the female Inquisitor that provided the comments in Commissar Cain's memoirs. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I didn't really, I put that down to her possible jealousy of Cain's activities with other women.

That there isn't any evidence of such activity being frowned upon, even when explicitly mentioned in the fluff, implies that it's widely accepted in the Imperium. When you've got major issues like the Heretic, the Mutant and the Xeno to worry about then people's sexual orientation tends to be a non-factor.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:

Sckitzo wrote:NSFW man... though I did get a chuckle out of it, but would have been rather annoyed if that had popped up on my screen at work. If Dakka wasn't blocked on the .mil system

Odd, must be a DoD or DoA policy that Dakka's blocked with, not a Government wide ban; I can and do access Dakka at my work. But only during my breaks of course...

Funny story, I was on Dakka at work when that image was still up. I'm glad that no one I worked with that would've cared was there to make an issue of it.

Has there ever been any reference to an openly homosexual Inquisitor or High Lord of Terra? If so, I think that would make it quite clear about the IoM's policy on the matter.

May just be the base I'm at also.

And saying that the female regiments are doing nothing but laying on their back while in transit is pretty far off the mark. Yes, people will screw for various reasons that would apply (boredom, fun, companionship) but that is like saying in todays current military that everytime there is a break people are behind a bunker like rabbits. It does happen, but even the folks that don't have someone back home won't partake for a variety of reasons, mission impact, morale, General Orders, can't get a date...

Emperors Faithful wrote:No one has gone on about Space Nazi's and LGBT. You're responding to arguments that aren't there.

Their is a thread on this site that has a poster say that the Imperium is basically "Catholic Space Nazi's" so it must be sexist and homophobic. For example, this poster from the first page of this thread -

Brother SRM wrote:Considering that the Imperial cult is heavily based on medieval Christian society, I wouldn't be terribly optimistic about it. GW avoids it (aside from old jokes like the Dark Angels' "shameful secret" that got retconned anyway) since it isn't really something that needs to be brought up, and can invoke too much controversy.

Need I say more?

Sckitzo wrote:May just be the base I'm at also.

And saying that the female regiments are doing nothing but laying on their back while in transit is pretty far off the mark. Yes, people will screw for various reasons that would apply (boredom, fun, companionship) but that is like saying in today's current military that every time there is a break people are behind a bunker like rabbits. It does happen, but even the folks that don't have someone back home won't partake for a variety of reasons, mission impact, morale, General Orders, can't get a date...

I didn't mean to say that female IG are doing nothing but having sex. What I meant was that when they had free time on a starship with nothing to do. They do "things" with their same-sex partner or some of the ships crewman that find their fancy, but this doesn't mean that all of them do it. They could be playing card games, drinking alcohol or whatever. And if the regiment is mixed, they might be taking care of the newly born babies with their bf's.

As far as I can recall, the Imperium's official stance is that they don't care what two(or more) consenting adults choose to do in their own CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:No one has gone on about Space Nazi's and LGBT. You're responding to arguments that aren't there.

Their is a thread on this site that has a poster say that the Imperium is basically "Catholic Space Nazi's" so it must be sexist and homophobic. For example, this poster from the first page of this thread -

Brother SRM wrote:Considering that the Imperial cult is heavily based on medieval Christian society, I wouldn't be terribly optimistic about it. GW avoids it (aside from old jokes like the Dark Angels' "shameful secret" that got retconned anyway) since it isn't really something that needs to be brought up, and can invoke too much controversy.

Need I say more?

Yes you do. You need to respond to particular arguments rather than make blanket statements.

The overwhelming majority of posters in this thread agree with what Monster Rain has said, CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT or no. The few dissenting posters, and even then they don't confidently assert the Imperiam is homophobic, have already been adressed. The issue of Slaaneshi involvement was more prevalent that any discussion of Catholic Space Nazis. Your blanket 'revelation' contributed exactly zero to this thread, and went off on a tangent of self-justification. Reading the thread, as opposed to just the first post, generally avoids this.

Melissia wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Sure, that could happen, and even the original rumor might be damaging in certain social circles (planetary nobles expected to breed to carry on the family name and so forth) while the latter will, eventually, get the Inquisition involved, and when the rumors are found to be untrue, that actually works in the favor of the accused house ("Were the rumors really untrue, or is House Hotpants so badass they were able to trick the Inquisition?!" Gasping, fainting and monocles popping out to fall into fishbowls of amasec abound).

All of that aside, that doesn't establish homosexuality as a crime in the Imperium, and I think this thread has pretty well established that, according to many sources within the fluff-canon, that it isn't.

It is deinitely not a crime, however thee are so many stars with so many imperial worlds you cant ever know how many of THEM have laws agains it or not.

Based on the fact that we haven't actually SEEN any of said laws in the lore (even on the most repressive planets), I'd say they're probably actually a minority.

Yes they would most definitely be the minority, I am just viewing it as; say 1/1000 planets outlaw it. It would probably happen on less densely populated worlds where the law actually has the time and resources to care about something so insignificant. However, I in no way believe even the smallest hive world would care, due to the immense population.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Yes they would most definitely be the minority, I am just viewing it as; say 1/1000 planets outlaw it. It would probably happen on less densely populated worlds where the law actually has the time and resources to care about something so insignificant. However, I in no way believe even the smallest hive world would care, due to the immense population.

I would imagine it would tend to reflect more on the kind of planet than a random number. For example, feudal planets (going off on our own history) would tend to be intolerant of it. It would be easy for a primitive planet's mutants to be explained away as the result of 'unnatural contact' between those of the same sex. I mean, if we've got planets where things like gender are an issue then homosexuality is going to be an issue on a great deal of planets as well.

The important thing here, as I think we agree, the Imperium doesn't give a toss one way or another, and may even be against discrimination if it somehow hampered effectiveness. For example tensions between a homophobic regiment and the Canerussan 404th.

I would hope the Imperium would have bigger things to worry about than who people are doinking.

Or shpadoinking for that matter.

Melissia wrote:Or shpadoinking for that matter.

That too.