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Brother Coa wrote:So when Humans are doing it they don't feed Slaanesh, even if relationship is homo or lesbo.

Eldar are feeding him while just doing it.

Then why don't Slaanesh starve to death?

Uh, what? Why would that stop him/her/it?

The overwhelming majority of hte populace is heterosexual, if Slaanesh only fed off of homosexuals he/she/it WOULD starve.

No, Slaanesh feeds off of EXCESS. Not homosexuality.

If I recall correctly there is a part in the Gaunt's Ghost series where an inquisitor hints at a homosexual relationship between Gaunt and his young aide Milo as she is trying to determine why Gaunt saved Milo from Tanith. She does not imply that there would be any punishment in such an act but Gaunt I believe does slap her at the insult, probably due to the age difference and the idea that he would use him for his own personal pleasure.

Eumerin wrote:I doubt the Imperium at large knows much about Slaanesh - and may not even be overly familiar with the name. The Imperium loves to keep its secrets, after all, and letting news circulate that there's a "god of pleasure" is only going to make things worse.

The names and natures of the ruinous powers are apparently proscribed, though the character of "deviant cultists" or somesuch are also apparently common dramatic villains, just without any of the specific details that would actually relate to the ruinous powers themselves.

Psienesis wrote:The difference is, Slaanesh, though called the "Prince of Pleasure" really only draws power/influences it when these pleasures are outside the realm of acceptable behavior within the confines of the society of the actor.

Last I heard, Slaanesh is technically "fed" by any pleasure, whether it's pride in a job well done, or a drug-fueled sadomasochistic orgy. Slaanesh wasn't formed because a lot of people were deviating from their social norms, but because trillions of psyker souls were being dumped into the warp in a state of either unimaginable agony or rapture, and eventually collapsed into a single being (which is apparently how gods are formed, as both the Emperor and Slaanesh were created that way).

This is why Eisenhorn often laughs (in his Inquisitorial way) on the various hive-nobles he encounters who only "play" at being heretics. They're not real heretics, they're just bored nobles into sex-games and "fuzzy pict-recorded fake snuff films". These sorts of "false heresies" don't really draw the attention of Slaanesh, because they're too mundane, too tame, too... normal for one such as Slaanesh to be interested. There's no abject depravity involved, or taboo-violating actions, or otherwise just plain weird gak going on to interest a Ruinous Power.

It's more there's no specific ritual connection. Chaos rituals are sorcery, not just orgies and/or murder and/or chanting gibberish (although they frequently involve at least two of the above), so fake cultists just making it up as they go along wouldn't do anything more than, well, Chaotes do in real life.

Melissia wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:So when Humans are doing it they don't feed Slaanesh, even if relationship is homo or lesbo.

Eldar are feeding him while just doing it.

Then why don't Slaanesh starve to death?

Uh, what? Why would that stop him/her/it?

The overwhelming majority of hte populace is heterosexual, if Slaanesh only fed off of homosexuals he/she/it WOULD starve.

No, Slaanesh feeds off of EXCESS. Not homosexuality.

You got it wrong...

I meant this: is he feeding from Human excess to or just Eldar? Since someone have mentioned that Humans feed Slaanesh less then Eldar because of his unique bond with them...

Humans affect The Immaterium less than Eldar overall.

Brother Coa wrote:I meant this: is he feeding from Human excess to or just Eldar? Since someone have mentioned that Humans feed Slaanesh less then Eldar because of his unique bond with them...

Humans on an individual basis typically feed Slaanesh less than eldar do because eldar experience things at a much more heightened level than humans do. This also makes it easier for a given eldar to get locked into an obsessive path as the eldar in question becomes lost in the sensations of whatever it is that they're doing.

The Dark Eldar embrace it - usually by giving free reign to the most degenerate aspects of their personality. As a result, Slaanesh is constantly eating away at their souls. The Craftworld Eldar dip into it, and the Path system is an attempt to allow a given eldar to dabble in different life experiences without losing the ability to step back out into his or her own self. The Exarchs use the virtues of hard work and a struggle to survive as a barrier against losing oneself. And how the Harlequins deal with it is as yet unknown, though there's lots of seemingly erroneous speculation on the subject floating around the internet.

Well, there's gay and then there's gay. I don't think the Empire (or Slaanesh) gives a crap about your average homosexual couple who wakes up in the morning, has a muffin with some cereal, goes to work, comes back home, and maybe has some gay sex under the sheets in private. I think they would be more concerned if said gay couple were drawing eight-pointed arrows with their own semen and blood in the town square while wearing tight leather with spikes on the inside and outside, while loudly proclaiming the coming of the Fabulous Prince.

That's almost every follower of Slaanesh... and, really, in this situation, the homosexuality isn't the crime, it's the invocation of the Ruinous Powers and the display of profane symbols.

So by some accounts on here my soul is damed and I'm going to the realm of Slaanesh becouse I'm alittle odd? Oh well, I had better stock up on KY jelly then

Only if you wear leather.

Let me try to end all this bickering.


Unsuitable images removed. That was a wee bit strong for here I'm afraid.

Reds8n.

NSFW man... though I did get a chuckle out of it, but would have been rather annoyed if that had popped up on my screen at work. If Dakka wasn't blocked on the .mil system

But really unless someone is doing whatever it is to excess, really don't see the pervy prince getting much out of it, and it could be anything to excess not just limited to sex. Still going with the Imperium doesn't care, certain planets may, and it's no more or less going to impact Slaanesh that straight couples would.

It's mentioned in 1000 Sons. One of the female remembrancers jokes openly about her sexual preferences towards women with 2 other remembrancers.

Sckitzo wrote:NSFW man... though I did get a chuckle out of it, but would have been rather annoyed if that had popped up on my screen at work. If Dakka wasn't blocked on the .mil system

Odd, must be a DoD or DoA policy that Dakka's blocked with, not a Government wide ban; I can and do access Dakka at my work. But only during my breaks of course...

Funny story, I was on Dakka at work when that image was still up. I'm glad that no one I worked with that would've cared was there to make an issue of it.

Has there ever been any reference to an openly homosexual Inquisitor or High Lord of Terra? If so, I think that would make it quite clear about the IoM's policy on the matter.

I think it is ok in the imperium, iirc it was mentioned in horus rising when Karkasy was talking to one of the female rememrencers (she never does answer though). I have allways wondered this so I would kow if i would be ok in the 41st milenium.

Things like this are deffinatly avoided by gw to avoid contraversy.

I would think that maybe if someone has a personal grudge against a homosexual person they might start spreading rumors, and everyone here knows that rumors change as they travel from person to person.

"I heard so and so has gay sex."

turns to

"I heard so and so has drug filled, skin filleting orgies in honor of Slaanesh."

Sure, that could happen, and even the original rumor might be damaging in certain social circles (planetary nobles expected to breed to carry on the family name and so forth) while the latter will, eventually, get the Inquisition involved, and when the rumors are found to be untrue, that actually works in the favor of the accused house ("Were the rumors really untrue, or is House Hotpants so badass they were able to trick the Inquisition?!" Gasping, fainting and monocles popping out to fall into fishbowls of amasec abound).

All of that aside, that doesn't establish homosexuality as a crime in the Imperium, and I think this thread has pretty well established that, according to many sources within the fluff-canon, that it isn't.

Psienesis wrote:Sure, that could happen, and even the original rumor might be damaging in certain social circles (planetary nobles expected to breed to carry on the family name and so forth) while the latter will, eventually, get the Inquisition involved, and when the rumors are found to be untrue, that actually works in the favor of the accused house ("Were the rumors really untrue, or is House Hotpants so badass they were able to trick the Inquisition?!" Gasping, fainting and monocles popping out to fall into fishbowls of amasec abound).

All of that aside, that doesn't establish homosexuality as a crime in the Imperium, and I think this thread has pretty well established that, according to many sources within the fluff-canon, that it isn't.

It is deinitely not a crime, however thee are so many stars with so many imperial worlds you cant ever know how many of THEM have laws agains it or not.

Oh, sure, any planet could establish a local ordinance against it, or against pretty much anything else as well. I'm sure, on some worlds, there are even aspects of the Imperial Cult that feature the Imperial version of "sacred whores" and such that view sexual congress as an act of devotion to the God-Emperor, just as some worlds are far more restrictive about any sexual contact of any kind.

Mechanicum cultist would be confused, "how does the machine work with two male ends?"

Wouldn't slaanesh prefer girls and guys together? Slaanesh is half male and half female so if you think about it Slaanesh would prefer straight people. Yay I am not helping Slaanesh as much as others

Slaanesh would actually prefer 2 girls, 2 guys, 1 cup, a carnifex, assorted Jokero, a couple of Eldar and a isotropic fuel rod.

Psienesis wrote:Slaanesh would actually prefer 2 girls, 2 guys, 1 cup, a carnifex, assorted Jokero, a couple of Eldar and a isotropic fuel rod.

Now thats just wrong...the mental image...my mind has been befouled!!!

Ribon Fox wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Slaanesh would actually prefer 2 girls, 2 guys, 1 cup, a carnifex, assorted Jokero, a couple of Eldar and a isotropic fuel rod.

Now thats just wrong...the mental image...my mind has been befouled!!!

Id quite like to see that crazy american woman in one of the "response" films that went around, upon seeing that video.

Also theres not nearly enough talk of power fists........

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Sure, that could happen, and even the original rumor might be damaging in certain social circles (planetary nobles expected to breed to carry on the family name and so forth) while the latter will, eventually, get the Inquisition involved, and when the rumors are found to be untrue, that actually works in the favor of the accused house ("Were the rumors really untrue, or is House Hotpants so badass they were able to trick the Inquisition?!" Gasping, fainting and monocles popping out to fall into fishbowls of amasec abound).

All of that aside, that doesn't establish homosexuality as a crime in the Imperium, and I think this thread has pretty well established that, according to many sources within the fluff-canon, that it isn't.

It is deinitely not a crime, however thee are so many stars with so many imperial worlds you cant ever know how many of THEM have laws agains it or not.

Based on the fact that we haven't actually SEEN any of said laws in the lore (even on the most repressive planets), I'd say they're probably actually a minority.

I imagine it would depend which world you live on, some would be more ok than others. This can be seen on our planet as it is. I am fine lining here in leictershire but in newcastle it is not so friendly. And we are on this is on the smae planet ! So I imagine that it all depeds where you live, I imagine Ultmar is the most accepting place.

Given how much stuff the Imperium as a whole has gone through in the many thousands of years since its creation, with xeno raids, Chaos incursions, civil wars, religious wars, economic collapses, terrorist attacks on massive scales and everything else... as far as the average member of society is concerned, who you choose to sleep with and what the color of your skin is (within human norm allowances) is probably very, very, very low on the list of "Things to Worry About".

Hello everyone, I'm back after my long hiatus.

Man, some of you posters don't really read the fluff very well. You just call the Imperium as "Catholic Space Nazi's" and then your satisfied. The Imperium as an organization is not sexist. It has women in almost every branch of the Imperium except for the Space Marines like Female IG, Inquisitors, not-confirmed but possible High lord of Terra. Hell, the only reason that the Imperium prefers all male and all female regiments instead of mixed is for pragmatic reasons of preventing fraternization and babies. What do you think all those female regiments are doing with their free time when on the Imperial navy ships on transit to the next combat zone? they are probably screwing each other and the naval crew and yet you don't read about them getting purged. The Imperium doesn't discriminates on LGBT's, maybe the individual person or a worlds culture does but not the Imperium itself, it hates mutants, chaos worshipers and aliens.

Novels have shown LGBT's, as posted by others, and that no human in the Imperium cares or are even feeling uncomfortable around LGBT's. The Imperium is quite egalitarian in that regard. As long as you are a human and don't worship chaos and even if you don't worship the Emperor - the Imperium will bring you around to believing and its not always by threats- but can just pay lip service. The Imperium will not bother you.

So people read the fluff instead of just calling the Imperium as sexist or homophobic.

Evil Lamp 6 wrote:Has there ever been any reference to an openly heterosexual Inquisitor or High Lord of Terra? If so, I think that would make it quite clear about the IoM's policy on the matter.

Well?
If being homosexual wasn't frowned on or socially unnacceptable, why would anyone need to be 'open' about defying the social norms when the social norms aren't concerned with said action?

Psienesis wrote:Slaanesh would actually prefer 2 girls, 2 guys, 1 cup, a carnifex, assorted Jokero, a couple of Eldar and a isotropic fuel rod.

Sigged.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:Hello everyone, I'm back after my long hiatus.

Man, some of you posters don't really read the fluff very well. You just call the Imperium as "Catholic Space Nazi's" and then your satisfied. The Imperium as an organization is not sexist. It has women in almost every branch of the Imperium except for the Space Marines like Female IG, Inquisitors, not-confirmed but possible High lord of Terra. Hell, the only reason that the Imperium prefers all male and all female regiments instead of mixed is for pragmatic reasons of preventing fraternization and babies. What do you think all those female regiments are doing with their free time when on the Imperial navy ships on transit to the next combat zone? they are probably screwing each other and the naval crew and yet you don't read about them getting purged. The Imperium doesn't discriminates on LGBT's, maybe the individual person or a worlds culture does but not the Imperium itself, it hates mutants, chaos worshipers and aliens.

Novels have shown LGBT's, as posted by others, and that no human in the Imperium cares or are even feeling uncomfortable around LGBT's. The Imperium is quite egalitarian in that regard. As long as you are a human and don't worship chaos and even if you don't worship the Emperor - the Imperium will bring you around to believing and its not always by threats- but can just pay lip service. The Imperium will not bother you.

So people read the fluff instead of just calling the Imperium as sexist or homophobic.

Did you actually read the thread? It's basically three and a half pages of what you just said, with the occasional comment on procreation possibly being valued...

Also, to be pedantic, relationships between the Guard, Navy, and Commissariat are expressly prohibited, as are those that cross significant rank differences.