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Brother SRM wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:Well let's hope the second round of resin models are a LOT better than the first lot!

Frankly that's a lot of the vocal minority showing off bad casts. Most Finecast stuff is, well, fine. The Finecast stuff at my FLGS is gorgeous, as it is at a lot of other gamestores. In time it would only make sense for GW to learn the ins and outs of casting in resin, so I can only see it improving from here.

The internet is awesome at magnifying the vocal minority.

It only takes a few people to post bad pictures of Finecast models, and they get linked to pretty much every 40k forum in existence. Those few models are held up as the 'standard', and anyone upset with the change, regardless of wether they've bought a Finecast model or not, will show those pictures off as why its bad. And it just, for some reason, seems really bad. You see 5 people post bad pictures, and you think the sky is falling. Then think about how many models have been actually sold compared to how many original, not hotlinked from another forum, images of bad models are being shown around.

Now, obviously some people are getting bad casts, or there wouldn't be pictures of them floating around. But the internet is just a great place to magnify something bad. The issue with miscasts is not as bad as the internet wants you to think.

Also - miscasts do happen with metal. Still. People just aren't pissed off with metal, and it doesn't have the 'perfect casting material!' hype and marketing behind it.

Small addition: Seems like we get some metal to finecast models also in July: Lammasu, Great Taurus, Dark Emissary, Truthsayer, Fenbeast and Cold One, all fitting for Storm of Magic. So August will technically be the third wave.

Kroothawk wrote:Small addition: Seems like we get some metal to finecast models also in July: Lammasu, Taurus and other monsters fitting for Storm of Magic. So August will technically be the third wave.

Are we talking the original Chaos Dwarf Lammasu and Taurus?

I love those old models!

Is it only metal kits currently turning to finecast?
Is Finecast "better" than plastic? Holds more detail, etc?
I can see moving heavy metal kits to resin since the casts have the potential to improve, but with the already plastic kits, wha?

Spiznet wrote:Is it only metal kits currently turning to finecast?
Is Finecast "better" than plastic? Holds more detail, etc?
I can see moving heavy metal kits to resin since the casts have the potential to improve, but with the already plastic kits, wha?

In answer to your questions:

a) Metal and metal hybrid kits
b) 'Better' is a bit of a subjective word - it depends on opinion; some think yes, others not. Cheaper material, definitely . Finecast has been marketed by GW as having sharper details - since the Finecast moulds are made from the metal masters, there is no 'extra' detail or resculpting going on but supposedly the details are clearer. There have been numerous threads on Dakka detailing this; again, opinion is divided as to whether the claims are true or not.
c) Not sure where you got this idea that plastic models are being produced in Finecast - that wouldn't make any sense at all given the large costs involved in producing plastic injection moulds. Have you got any examples?

I thought the Vanguard Veterans and/ or Sternguard Veterans were plastic, but could be wrong.

So- no plastic kits gone to Finecast, makes sense.
Thanks!!

Nope those are/were metal I believe, but I am sure someone can confirm that.

Commoncommoncommon Wraithguard for the 3rd Wave!

Very happy with my Finecast purchases so far, but goddamn I really want some resin Wraithguard...

Kroothawk wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Arses,
Just ordered 5 Venomthropes not the other day. Bah, bah and thrice bah!

Be glad that you don't have to glue the snapped tentacles after each game

I'd just be happy if the sodding things didn't just drop off like a Leper falling down the stairs!

Will have a chinwag with local manager, see if I'll be able to swapsy unopened blisters for the Finecast when it comes out. I know some people have issues with it, but it's been a godsend for us Niddlydiddlies. Put together my Hive Tyrant in 15 minutes, including clean up!




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filbert wrote:

Spiznet wrote:Is it only metal kits currently turning to finecast?
Is Finecast "better" than plastic? Holds more detail, etc?
I can see moving heavy metal kits to resin since the casts have the potential to improve, but with the already plastic kits, wha?

In answer to your questions:

a) Metal and metal hybrid kits
b) 'Better' is a bit of a subjective word - it depends on opinion; some think yes, others not. Cheaper material, definitely . Finecast has been marketed by GW as having sharper details - since the Finecast moulds are made from the metal masters, there is no 'extra' detail or resculpting going on but supposedly the details are clearer. There have been numerous threads on Dakka detailing this; again, opinion is divided as to whether the claims are true or not.
c) Not sure where you got this idea that plastic models are being produced in Finecast - that wouldn't make any sense at all given the large costs involved in producing plastic injection moulds. Have you got any examples?

Will comment on this in the next couple of days once I've obtained my Wracks. I think they're purpose designed for Finecast, rather than a metal adaptation.

Flashman wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Small addition: Seems like we get some metal to finecast models also in July: Lammasu, Taurus and other monsters fitting for Storm of Magic. So August will technically be the third wave.

Are we talking the original Chaos Dwarf Lammasu and Taurus?

Yepp, afraid so. Cheap rerelease. Actually those models are not that bad, better than the new manticore

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Commoncommoncommon Wraithguard for the 3rd Wave!
Very happy with my Finecast purchases so far, but goddamn I really want some resin Wraithguard...

I want them not to do Finecast Wraithguard, because I want them to have the plastic Wraithguard ready for release.
(before you speculate: I know nothing about plastic Wraithguard, but they are candidate #1 on Eldar wish lists)

Mr Mystery wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Arses,
Just ordered 5 Venomthropes not the other day. Bah, bah and thrice bah!

Be glad that you don't have to glue the snapped tentacles after each game

I'd just be happy if the sodding things didn't just drop off like a Leper falling down the stairs!

Use 2part epoxy glue for metal: No problem. Even my old metal gargoyles never fell apart.

Plastic / Resin Eldar anything is on my want list.

Not that I'm into carrying my whole army around - but when I pick up two full GW cases of metal Eldar, it feels like my arms are going to fall off (not really, but they're heavy).

I was hoping for more SM finecast soon.... oh well

Harlies in finecast, WHOOP WHOOP!!!!! Been waiting for them to get my themed Eldar army going (P&M blog to follow ) But banshees and spiders over fire dragons, meh!

Ashrag wrote:Still no Obliberators :( -
I'm waiting for them since they were quite a pain in metal - everytime I look, another weapon breaks off or just won't stay where it's supposed to be ...

So so very true, i run 6 of the buggers, 2 are finished due to the pain of them being metal.

The Albion models in Finecast hey? Awesome!

I still have my copy of Dark Shadows I got free with WD from years yonder.

The rest of the Fantasy Warriors of Chaos god specific exalted champions and sorcerors should be released as they are useful for conversions for not just WOC but for Chaos Astartes too... And personally I really want the slaanesh champion so I can cut it up and use the parts for three different models

The moulds are the same for the finecasat models, so the pieces they come into are the same as well, correct?
If so I forsee quite a few jetbikes coming to my White Scars soon /cackle

N'Ferno wrote:The moulds are the same for the finecasat models, so the pieces they come into are the same as well, correct?
If so I forsee quite a few jetbikes coming to my White Scars soon /cackle

Yes they use the same moulds but some of the models are noticeably more detailed as resin is better at filling fine details during the casting process. Compare a resin Abaddon and a metal one to see the difference.

SonicPara wrote:Yes they use the same moulds but some of the models are noticeably more detailed as resin is better at filling fine details during the casting process. Compare a resin Abaddon and a metal one to see the difference.

I was referring to Sammael still (hopefully) being separate bits so I can easily replace him with a more White Scarish driver without extensive modding (even though the finecast resin is easy to work with, I just don't feel confortable cutting through models like that...yet ).

N'Ferno wrote:The moulds are the same for the finecasat models, so the pieces they come into are the same as well, correct?
If so I forsee quite a few jetbikes coming to my White Scars soon /cackle

Seems like they use the same machines, but need to make new moulds from the same masters.

The Ravenwing jetbike is very special and individual, not very good to have more than once. Have you considered using the much cheaper Kromlech jetbike?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Kromlech-Iron-Shark-Pattern-Assault-Jetbike-/150593603790?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23101408ce

Just tried to order some stock for my store from Games Workshop on Saturday - I couldn't get a single metal blister in, they've stopped shipping them because everything's going to resin in time. So either stock up on metals, or wait it out. I'm probably going to have to reduce all of my blisters eventually but I look forward to some nice light Wraithguard. Not sure about metal box sets yet.

All metal models (including hybrids, blisters and boxes) are now mail order only. GW stores even had to send all their stock back. No FLGS is allowed to restock mail order only things, but can of course sell his stock (no option to send it back for them). Some stores including GW stores can special order mail order only things for customers though, including metals.

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like they use the same machines, but need to make new moulds from the same masters.
The Ravenwing jetbike is very special and individual, not very good to have more than once. Have you considered using the much cheaper Kromlech jetbike?

Yes, the Kromlech bikes are nice, but I see them more as regular troops bikes. I'd use Sammael's only for my HQs. I do consider taking some of those and make a bike squad, just to see how the Ravenwing decoration bits might Imperialise them.

No word on a resin Thunderfire Cannon? If there was ever a 40K model that needed to be updated for ease of assembly, that is it. A resin Drazhar would be nice too though.

I demand Helbrecht.
Then I can cut his head off without needing a damned hacksaw.
Followed by the replacement helmet being able to be glued on easier.

No Tau!!! But i want resin pathfinders... Sad day.

Tau are expected first half next year, with plastic pathfinders a strong possibility.

Kroothawk wrote:Tau are expected first half next year, with plastic pathfinders a strong possibility.

Insta mold it and use a clear plastic or go with a hybrid of first part clear and then some other material for badass results. Tape off the clear parts to protect during priming.

aosol wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Tau are expected first half next year, with plastic pathfinders a strong possibility.

Insta mold it and use a clear plastic or go with a hybrid of first part clear and then some other material for badass results. Tape off the clear parts to protect during priming.

Is this legal?

I may now have to look into getting the Master of the Ravenwing... I picked up the box and declared that there was no way I was putting that on the table, especially with as many times as we bump into our gaming table.