What if 'Chain' weapons all had rending?

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**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

I'm just giving Chainfists Rending for consistency's sake.

**Ele-Boom**

It still seems like having rending would be neat and all, but it just seems like there's not a real way to balance it out, even with additional points costs, as you'd look at basic marines costing as much as grey knights and only having rending and not true power weapons

**loota boy**

OTT and insulting text removed.

Reds8n

Dude. Calm down.

.. if you could. Much appreciated.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

It is a squad leader item; aside from Assault Marines, only Space Marine Sergeants and up can take Chainswords.(Don't mention a single goddamned non-codex chapter)

Also, Loota Boy: If you don't like it, then get out of our topic. We're having an intellectual and hypothetical conversation. Behave like a gentleman.

**CoI**

I think it might be balanced out by making the opponents armour save 1 better, but give chain weapons rending. It's a little harder to get through to the juicy center, but when you do... you really get to see the color of their insides. And I've always pictured chain weapons having a 'safety release' mechanism or something that senses when there's too much pressure, and that tooth gets released rather than snapping/binding. Still attached, but it folds back to stop from snapping. It would also cut into the armor a little each tooth causing a little more damage untill it bites through. Monomolecular adamantine would cut through a lot like that.

**Norade**

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:
Norade wrote:<text redacted --Janthkin>
You automatically lose the debate for Ad Hominem attacks.

Care to explain how attacking somebody in a debate makes their words any less valid.

Which is more correct?

Gravity holds you to the ground.

<text redacted --Janthkin>

**Lanrak**

I wish 'rending' had stayed a special rule for Nids.
As soon as some moron put it on the SM AC everyone wanted rending on eveything!

Rending is a crap fix for poor rule developement.

Chainsword look cool and therfore by the ONLY rule that applies in 40k , 'the rule of cool.'
They should be better then standard weapons , but not as good as power weapons.

Therfore they could be allowd a re-roll bonus to wound perhaps?

(Did I mention I hate the bloody stupid use of rending?

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**Toastedandy**

Lanrak wrote:I wish 'rending' had stayed a special rule for Nids.
As soon as some moron put it on the SM AC everyone wanted rending on eveything!

Ah now, There's not many things cooler than a gun shredding people open with a hail of bullets.

Chain weapons are not strong enough too have rending, agreed they should be better against completely unarmored tree people, but nothing else

**Melissia**

I still say this, or something like it, is the best suggestion thus far:

Melissia wrote:My suggestion:

1: ALL CURRENT CCWS STAY AS THEY ARE. This will ensure that basic balance is not disrupted.

2: Add Chainsword as an upgrade to all Imperial, non-Daemon Chaos, and Eldar models that have a CCW, for 3 pts apiece for Marines and 2 pts apiece for Humans and Eldar. These replace the basic CCW and grant the Rending USR.

3: Add Chain Axe as an upgrade for Khornate Berserker CCWs, for 6 pts apiece. These replace their CCWs and grant the Rending USR and re-rolls on a to-wound roll of 1.

4: Add Chain-Choppas as an upgrade for Ork Choppas for 4 pts apiece. These replace the Choppas grant the Rending USR and re-rolls the first failed to-wound roll on the charge.

5: Add a Big Chain Choppa for any Ork able to take Big Choppas, for +10 pts apiece. Counts as a Big Choppa which has Rending and re-rolls on to-wound rolls of 1.

6: Add Sparky Choppas for Nobs, Bosses, Meks, and Big Meks for +15 pts apiece. Replaces the Choppa, annd counts as a power weapon.

**Anvildude**

That would be pretty nice. I'm not sure if the Orky Chain Choppa should be a whole 4 points, though. Maybe 3 points, so you can get either 'eavy Armour or a Chain Choppa + Stikkbombs on an Ork Boy for 10 points.

Could just say that Furious Charge grants a single re-roll to-wound with Chain Weapons, which would also benefit some other races as well, and would make some sense (seeing as they'd be flailing around in more abandon with a weapon they'd usually be more careful with)

Could just call the Big Chain Choppa a 'Uge Choppa, and in it's description say that it has a Chainblade.

and YES! to the Sparky Choppas!

**Cottonjaw**

I'll half agree.

Chainswords/axes/fists should do something a little more than standard CCW's.

But not without a point cost associated. You don't get something for nothing.

**Toastedandy**

Melissia wrote:I still say this, or something like it, is the best suggestion thus far:
Melissia wrote:My suggestion

LOL I think this opinion is the best

Toastedandy wrote:My opinion

**Augustus**

Melissia wrote:I still say this, or something like it, is the best suggestion thus far:
Melissia wrote:My suggestion:

1: ALL CURRENT CCWS STAY AS THEY ARE. This will ensure that basic balance is not disrupted.

2: Add Chainsword as an upgrade to all Imperial, non-Daemon Chaos, and Eldar models that have a CCW, for 3 pts apiece for Marines and 2 pts apiece for Humans and Eldar. These replace the basic CCW and grant the Rending USR.

3: Add Chain Axe as an upgrade for Khornate Berserker CCWs, for 6 pts apiece. These replace their CCWs and grant the Rending USR and re-rolls on a to-wound roll of 1.

4: Add Chain-Choppas as an upgrade for Ork Choppas for 4 pts apiece. These replace the Choppas grant the Rending USR and re-rolls the first failed to-wound roll on the charge.

5: Add a Big Chain Choppa for any Ork able to take Big Choppas, for +10 pts apiece. Counts as a Big Choppa which has Rending and re-rolls on to-wound rolls of 1.

6: Add Sparky Choppas for Nobs, Bosses, Meks, and Big Meks for +15 pts apiece. Replaces the Choppa, annd counts as a power weapon.

I think so too.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Norade: Ad Hominem attacks don't invalidate what you say, they invalidate you. An Ad Hominem attack is resorting to insults because the user can't debate. It's one of those automatic losses, like Godwin's Law.

Melissa: One thing, I think that Space Marine Assault Squads should have Chainswords for free, because they need the buff, and this way we don't have to replace all their models with Combat Blade holding ones.

**CrazyThang**

loota boy wrote:
OTT and insulting text removed.

Reds8n

Dude. Calm down.

.. if you could. Much appreciated.

Reds8n, no offense at all, I love the work of the mods, but I think someone else in this thread is also OTT and insulting as well

*sigh* someone else who can't separate reality from fiction. (aka, welcome to the ignore list Mr. Norade

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@ Mellissia, your original ideas way back yonder were quite good imo, and bring some of the flavor of the literature into the game.

**Janthkin**

<notification: further rude remarks will result in thread termination, coupled with moderator enforcement actions>

**Melissia**

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Melissa: One thing, I think that Space Marine Assault Squads should have Chainswords for free, because they need the buff, and this way we don't have to replace all their models with Combat Blade holding ones.

I honestly don't think Assault Marines need any buffs, myself. But then, that's from the perspective of Orks and Sisters, whose equivalents (Stormboyz and Seraphim) are a bit overpriced compared to Assault Marines.

**loota boy**

I wasn't aware that my post was OTT at all. I just told him it was a game about toy soldiers and he should calm down, and <personal attack on another user deleted; knock it off. Focus your comments on the discussion, not on the other posters, or you will have problems --Janthkin>. I'm not really sure I understand that one. But whatever. I guess i'll just leave this thread then.