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2011/06/23 03:11:52
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
sebster wrote:Despite how utterly boring this is, scores of people who love to be outraged have began sounding off about how bad is for government to tell you what you can and can't eat, pretending there's anything in the story that stops any company from selling any food they want to.
Not to mention that the government already regulates how food can be advertised via the standardization of quality labels regarding products like beef, pork, chicken. eggs, and produce.
sebster wrote:
biccat wrote:Really. The free market is a better regulator for providing goods and services that people want than a government agency. It's not subject to graft, political favoritism or corruption.
A real person actually said this. I mean, wow.
Yeah, I saw that too, but wasn't really sure how to respond other than shock, followed by the thought "moving on."
I mean, I'm willing to consider the argument that the free market is a better regulator for providing goods and services that people want, even though I don't consider it to be a universal truth. But the idea that it isn't subject to graft, political favoritism, or corruption? That's nonsense.
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2011/06/23 03:52:54
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
dogma wrote:Not to mention that the government already regulates how food can be advertised via the standardization of quality labels regarding products like beef, pork, chicken. eggs, and produce.
I'm telling you, the only thing that can explain the carry-on in this thread is that people have decided to ignore the actual, and utterly boring story, for a fantasy about them rallying against big government oppression.
The desire to be outraged is apparently greater than the desire to be sensible.
biccat wrote:Yeah, I saw that too, but wasn't really sure how to respond other than shock, followed by the thought "moving on."
I mean, I'm willing to consider the argument that the free market is a better regulator for providing goods and services that people want, even though I don't consider it to be a universal truth. But the idea that it isn't subject to graft, political favoritism, or corruption? That's nonsense.
Everytime I think about a way to respond, I realise there's another level of ridiculousness. I mean, we could start with the idea that no economic theory ever talks of this thing called the free market*. To add to the silliness, he's actually put government and the market in direct competition, as though one could exist without the other. And then on top of all that, he's given this free market the magical ability to deny basic human nature.
Three levels of ridiculousness. It's the turducken of stupid.
*They talk of perfect competition, a state that is only possible in rare situations, and then almost always as a result of government regulation. It's very different to the mishmash of political silliness you see attached to this very vague idea of a free market.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/06/23 03:55:45
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
biccat wrote:They can do anything they want to get at my money. But there's one very important and salient fact that you're missing: I don't have to give it to them.
What about in a market where every pretty much ever food company stuffs thier products full of crap? Where avoiding foods which contain it means you need to go to extreme lengths, or huge expense? A market where those who are most likely to buy rubbish food and therefore be the most at risk from crap in foods are those least able, informed or inclined about seeking out "better" alternatives?
Over-generalizations are great and super accurate for making statements.
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2011/06/23 05:38:19
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
biccat wrote:They can do anything they want to get at my money. But there's one very important and salient fact that you're missing: I don't have to give it to them.
What about in a market where every pretty much ever food company stuffs thier products full of crap? Where avoiding foods which contain it means you need to go to extreme lengths, or huge expense? A market where those who are most likely to buy rubbish food and therefore be the most at risk from crap in foods are those least able, informed or inclined about seeking out "better" alternatives?
Over-generalizations are great and super accurate for making statements.
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2011/06/23 05:44:19
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
VermGho5t wrote:Over-generalizations are great and super accurate for making statements.
It's not an overgeneralistion. He's just made the point that absolute freedom of choice isn't the only important measure of the health of a market.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/06/23 06:49:50
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
Frazzled wrote:Take it this way, what if the government decides that, after consultation with the meat processing industry, lard is, in fact incredibly healthy, and mandates that all meats must be cooked in it? Is government the great savior then?
What if the government decides that, after consultation with some nutcase, trepanning is in fact the best way to cure all disease and mandates that everyone has holes drilled into their heads every day (also helps facilitate insertion of all dem govment microchips!)?
I think this transcends strawman arguments.
Congratulations, from now on this shall be known as a wickerman argument
Not quite. Ignorance of history seems to be your forte.
The government at various times has treated dissent as a mental illness (USSR, Cuba), criminal offense replete with involuntary organ donation (China), or genetic defect (Nazi Germany). The government has, in the past also thought it perfectly acceptible to deny Syphilis and other treatements to see what the long term effects would be on people, and tested aeroliozed small pox dropped via the air to test the impact on a city population (both USA).
Remember, just because the government tilts your way this year doesn't mean the government won't tilt against you next year. How's your government then?
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voryn15 wrote:How about we stop with the you dont agree with me so you must be dumber than i am arguments?
Personally i dont like this idea because it's being shown as a "suggestion" if they came out and said hey we are going to regulate you, I still wouldnt like it but would have less objection to it.
When the US government makes a suggestion, industries comply lest it become mandatory. this is time honored tradition.
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Monster Rain wrote:Barack "Hussein" Obama is putting flouride in your drinking water to sterilize your testicles.
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2011/06/23 11:23:20
Subject: Re:Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
Frazzled wrote:
Not quite. Ignorance of history seems to be your forte.
The government at various times has treated dissent as a mental illness (USSR, Cuba), criminal offense replete with involuntary organ donation (China), or genetic defect (Nazi Germany). The government has, in the past also thought it perfectly acceptible to deny Syphilis and other treatements to see what the long term effects would be on people, and tested aeroliozed small pox dropped via the air to test the impact on a city population (both USA).
Yes, this is very similar. It's almost exactly the same. The literally hardly any difference at all between those things and the situation described in the OP. It's all so much clearer now - you should hate and fear your government because today it's less salt in potato chips, tomorrow the gas chamber.
You're a revolutionary genius. Do you take financial donations, or would you rather just feth my sister?
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Frazzled wrote: Not quite. Ignorance of history seems to be your forte. The government at various times has treated dissent as a mental illness (USSR, Cuba), criminal offense replete with involuntary organ donation (China), or genetic defect (Nazi Germany). The government has, in the past also thought it perfectly acceptible to deny Syphilis and other treatements to see what the long term effects would be on people, and tested aeroliozed small pox dropped via the air to test the impact on a city population (both USA).
Remember, just because the government tilts your way this year doesn't mean the government won't tilt against you next year. How's your government then?
The free market at various times has let people burn to death(triangle fire) dismember small children(child labor) fed us rat meat and allowed people to fall into the grinders(see the jungle) sold us snake oil etc. etc.
Remember, just because the free market tilts your way this year doesn't mean the free market won't tilt against you next year. How's your free market then?
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Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
2011/06/23 11:35:21
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
biccat wrote:Really. The free market is a better regulator for providing goods and services that people want than a government agency. It's not subject to graft, political favoritism or corruption.
A real person actually said this. I mean, wow.
Yeah, I saw that too, but wasn't really sure how to respond other than shock, followed by the thought "moving on."
I like how both of you read the quote and refused to refute it, despite your obviously looming intellects.
The government is a poor regulator compared to a free market. Seriously.
dogma wrote:I mean, I'm willing to consider the argument that the free market is a better regulator for providing goods and services that people want, even though I don't consider it to be a universal truth. But the idea that it isn't subject to graft, political favoritism, or corruption? That's nonsense.
It's not nonsense, because absent incentives to engage in those activities, they don't occur. It's the government that creates incentives to lie and cheat the public, not free markets.
But I'm not even sure why I'm responding to you, since your post is actually devoid of substantive content. As usual.
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2011/06/23 11:48:32
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
biccat wrote:Really. The free market is a better regulator for providing goods and services that people want than a government agency. It's not subject to graft, political favoritism or corruption.
A real person actually said this. I mean, wow.
Yeah, I saw that too, but wasn't really sure how to respond other than shock, followed by the thought "moving on."
I like how both of you read the quote and refused to refute it, despite your obviously looming intellects.
The government is a poor regulator compared to a free market. Seriously.
dogma wrote:I mean, I'm willing to consider the argument that the free market is a better regulator for providing goods and services that people want, even though I don't consider it to be a universal truth. But the idea that it isn't subject to graft, political favoritism, or corruption? That's nonsense.
It's not nonsense, because absent incentives to engage in those activities, they don't occur. It's the government that creates incentives to lie and cheat the public, not free markets.
But I'm not even sure why I'm responding to you, since your post is actually devoid of substantive content. As usual.
You are a lawyer correct, if so then surely you must have studied all those multibillion dollar cases against drug companies when a product causes irreparable harm. How exactly does the free market prevent a lethal drug from entering the market, hell how does it prevent a placebo from entering the market. Your argument is bs and you know, there are thing that governments are good for and things they are not good for, regulating the drug market is one of those good things.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
2011/06/23 11:55:56
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
The free market regulates itself? This is almost as ludicrous a statement as saying we should not regulate the medicine market.
I have some snake oil for sale, it will cure all your ills.
If you just allow money and profit to be your guiding light you are left with a world where everyone is screwing each other (we arn't far from this anyway). You are basically consigning a portion of the populace to destitution. But as long as it isn't you eh biccat?
What a horrible future if the only things that are viewed worthwhile are those which are profitable. What a soulless existence.
I think the best point was made earlier, you guys are fething crazy.
2011/06/23 12:01:39
Subject: Re:Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
..well... what an amazing and unexpected turn this thread has taken.
I'm sure we're all shocked. Shocked and awed.
And perhaps vindicated.
Still worry not denizens of the OT board ! Rest assured that another similar thread will be along, much, much sooner than any of us can believe. Then we can, once again, rest assured as the diabolical plans of the 3rd Reich are revealed in all their glory, as Hitler's long held dream of a Black Muslim forcing the general population of America to not get hideously obese and die comes to fruition.
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