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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:33:20
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Good thing the Democrats protect personal freedom. When do the mandatory exercise programs start in front of the family government viewscreen?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44343
Obama's Food Police in Staggering Crackdown on Market to Kids
by Audrey Hudson
06/21/2011
Tony the Tiger, some NASCAR drivers and cookie-selling Girl Scouts will be out of a job unless grocery manufacturers agree to reinvent a vast array of their products to satisfy the Obama administration’s food police.
Either retool the recipes to contain certain levels of sugar, sodium and fats, or no more advertising and marketing to tots and teenagers, say several federal regulatory agencies.
The same goes for restaurants.
It’s not just the usual suspected foods that are being targeted, such a thin mint cookies sold by scouts or M&Ms and Snickers, which sponsor cars in the Sprint Cup, but pretty much everything on a restaurant menu.
Although the intent of the guidelines is to combat childhood obesity, foods that are low in calories, fat, and some considered healthy foods, are also targets, including hot breakfast cereals such as oatmeal, pretzels, popcorn, nuts, yogurt, wheat bread, bagels, diet drinks, fruit juice, tea, bottled water, milk and sherbet.
Food industries are in an uproar over the proposal written by the Federal Trade Commission, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
“The most disturbing aspect of this interagency working group is, after it imposes multibillions of dollars in restrictions on the food industry, there is no evidence of any impact on the scourge of childhood obesity,” said Dan Jaffe, executive vice president of the Association of National Advertisers.
The “Interagency Working Group on Food Marketed to Children, Preliminary Proposed Nutrition Principles to Guide Industry Self-Regulation Efforts” says it is voluntary, but industry officials say the intent is clear: Do it, or else.
“When regulators strongly suggest a course of action, it’s treated as a rule, not a suggestion,” said Scott Faber, vice president of federal affairs for the Grocery Manufacturers Association. “Industry tends to heed these suggestions from our regulators, and this administration has made it clear they are willing to regulate if we don’t implement their proposal.”
It’s not just the food industry that will be impacted. Hundreds of television shows that depend on the advertising revenue, such as the Nickelodeon Channel, ESPN, and programs including "American Idol" will be affected, critics of the proposal say—at a cost of $5.8 trillion in marketing expenditures that support up to 20 million American jobs.
If the food is not reformulated, no more ads or promotions on TV, radio, in print, on websites, as well as other digital advertising such as e-mail and text messaging, packaging, and point-of-purchase displays and other in-store marketing tools; product placement in movies, videos, video games, contests, sweepstakes, character licensing and toy branding; sponsorship of events including sport teams and individual athletes; and, philanthropic activity tied to branding opportunities.
That includes softball teams that are sponsored by food companies and school reading programs sponsored by restaurants.
“The Interagency working group recommends that the food industry, through voluntary self-regulatory efforts, make significant improvements in the nutritional quality of foods marketed to children and adolescents ages 2 to 17 years,” the proposal says.
“By the year 2016, all food products within the categories most heavily marketed directly to children should meet two basic nutrition principles. Such foods should be formulated to … make a meaningful contribution to a healthful diet and minimize the content of nutrients that could have a negative impact on health and weight.”
The foods most heavily marketed directly to children and adolescents fall into 10 categories: “breakfast cereals, snack foods, candy, dairy products, baked goods, carbonated beverages, fruit juice and non-carbonated beverages, prepared foods and meals, frozen and chilled desserts, and restaurant foods.”
Beth Johnson, a dietician for Food Directions in Maryland, said many of the foods targeted in this proposal are the same foods approved by the federal government for the WIC nutrition program for women, infants and children.
“This doesn’t make any sense whatsoever,” Johnson said. “It’s not going to do anything to help with obesity. These are decisions I want to make for my kids. These should not be government decisions.”
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Audrey Hudson, an award-winning investigative journalist, is a Congressional Correspondent for HUMAN EVENTS. A native of Kentucky, Mrs. Hudson has worked inside the Beltway for nearly two decades -- on Capitol Hill as a Senate and House spokeswoman, and most recently at The Washington Times covering Congress, Homeland Security, and the Supreme Court.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:38:26
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Well, apparently many people can't or won't watch what they eat, so if you can ensure that whatever they throw into their maws (and the maws of their children) is much healthier then that is a good thing.
It would be excellent if ready meals and so on were not so jammed with fats, salts and sugars and there were regulations in place to ensure that each "portion" was nutritionally balanced.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:40:41
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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SilverMK2 wrote:Well, apparently many people can't or won't watch what they eat, so if you can ensure that whatever they throw into their maws (and the maws of their children) is much healthier then that is a good thing.
It would be excellent if ready meals and so on were not so jammed with fats, salts and sugars and there were regulations in place to ensure that each "portion" was nutritionally balanced.
So you're ok with government literally telling you what you can and can't eat now? Remember, this is the same team that brought you subsidized tobacco, subsidized cheese, school lunches, and the Zombie safety zone known as the DMV.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:42:28
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Certainly would not be. Promoting healthy eating is great, this is not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:43:04
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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SilverMK2 wrote:Well, apparently many people can't or won't watch what they eat, so if you can ensure that whatever they throw into their maws (and the maws of their children) is much healthier then that is a good thing.
If people don't want to watch what they eat then they shouldn't be forced to eat healthy food.
What business is it of the government (or more specifically, other citizens) whether I eat healthy or unhealthy food?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:46:21
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Frazzled wrote:So you're ok with government literally telling you what you can and can't eat now?
In the same way that I am happy for them to make sure that companies don't put drugs, broken glass and bits of humans in my food? Sure.
Food for consumption by humans is already regulated heavily to ensure that only certain grades of food are used, that certain cleanliness standards are upheld, that packaging and lables are done in a certain way, etc.
I am more than happy for the government to ensure that food I buy will not be so heavily saturated with fat, salt, sugar etc, and is closer to what my body actually needs. As I said - ready meals often contain far more salt, fat and sugar than is required or is healthy. The UK already has regulations saying that all foodstuffs needs to have information on GDA's and how much of your GDA the food product provides per serving, etc. I think I remember seeing something about a traffic light system (red for bad, yellow for OK and green for good) as well, but I've not heard about that one for a while. Automatically Appended Next Post: biccat wrote:What business is it of the government (or more specifically, other citizens) whether I eat healthy or unhealthy food?
Ultimately you elect the government to look out for your interests. And as I mentioned, what you eat and how it is prepared is already heavily regulated to ensure you are not being fed things you should not be fed, such as infected meat, rotten produce, glass, nails, etc...
This whole "big government better not tell me what to do!" attitude some of you Americanski's have is pretty stupid when you are already "mollycoddled" by the government in a million different ways in your day to day life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:50:19
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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How's that ecoli breakout working for you?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:51:44
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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Frazzled wrote:How's that ecoli breakout working for you?
Much better than gun crime is working out for you
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:57:34
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Frazzled wrote:How's that ecoli breakout working for you?
That was in main land Europe not the UK
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 11:59:35
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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SilverMK2 wrote:Frazzled wrote:How's that ecoli breakout working for you?
Much better than gun crime is working out for you 
Hey, we have a treaty of friendship guys.
No more bickering, or else we'll send the UK some "NATO support."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:04:00
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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This is quite amusing, it certainly is the job of 'big government' to regulate the food supply.
Otherwise you end up with companies putting profit before children's health. That is obviously wrong.
I know it is the American way but you just can't leave private companies to have a total free rein. They will act in the interests of profit, which is rarely (never?) the same as being in the interest of the populace.
Use of trans-fats (hydrogenated vegetable oils) is one prime example of profit before health.
America! Stop being so FAT
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:08:17
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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biccat wrote:SilverMK2 wrote:Well, apparently many people can't or won't watch what they eat, so if you can ensure that whatever they throw into their maws (and the maws of their children) is much healthier then that is a good thing.
If people don't want to watch what they eat then they shouldn't be forced to eat healthy food.
What business is it of the government (or more specifically, other citizens) whether I eat healthy or unhealthy food?
Surely the rationale for this is that the state has a substantial interest in the continued existence of its citizens as productive contributors to society?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:10:48
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Baragash wrote:biccat wrote:SilverMK2 wrote:Well, apparently many people can't or won't watch what they eat, so if you can ensure that whatever they throw into their maws (and the maws of their children) is much healthier then that is a good thing.
If people don't want to watch what they eat then they shouldn't be forced to eat healthy food.
What business is it of the government (or more specifically, other citizens) whether I eat healthy or unhealthy food?
Surely the rationale for this is that the state has a substantial interest in the continued existence of its citizens as productive contributors to society?
Could be. But then, where do you draw the line? Can the state mandate an exercise routine? Monitor citizens 24/7 through some sort of two-way television to ensure that they're eating and exercising?
Should they have a facility where citizens are taught to not only act correctly but to think correctly?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:15:08
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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biccat wrote:Should they have a facility where citizens are taught to not only act correctly but to think correctly?
Isn't that called the Fox Entertainment Group?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:16:13
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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SilverMK2 wrote:biccat wrote:Should they have a facility where citizens are taught to not only act correctly but to think correctly?
Isn't that called the Fox Entertainment Group?
I though that it was called CNN- Conservative Neutering Network...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:18:32
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Steu wrote:Frazzled wrote:How's that ecoli breakout working for you?
That was in main land Europe not the UK
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Automatically Appended Next Post: lighterthief wrote:This is quite amusing, it certainly is the job of 'big government' to regulate the food supply.
Otherwise you end up with companies putting profit before children's health. That is obviously wrong.
I know it is the American way but you just can't leave private companies to have a total free rein. They will act in the interests of profit, which is rarely (never?) the same as being in the interest of the populace.
Use of trans-fats (hydrogenated vegetable oils) is one prime example of profit before health.
America! Stop being so FAT
There is a difference between regulating e coli and mandating the diet of the citizenry. Its a level of government intrusion King George would have freaked out about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:23:41
Subject: Re:Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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You know, I ate GIANT bowls of cereal for breakfast, like, big enough to be 1/4th the box when I was a kid. And we're not talking Fiber One here, we're talking Lucky Charms, Frosted Flakes, Coco-Puffs. I didn't get fat until I discovered good beer. Automatically Appended Next Post: lighterthief wrote:This is quite amusing, it certainly is the job of 'big government' to regulate the food supply.
Otherwise you end up with companies putting profit before children's health. That is obviously wrong.
I know it is the American way but you just can't leave private companies to have a total free rein. They will act in the interests of profit, which is rarely (never?) the same as being in the interest of the populace.
Use of trans-fats (hydrogenated vegetable oils) is one prime example of profit before health.
Great, but if they actually TRULY believed in that, and weren't just providing us with the illusion of trying to do something about it, then they'd be cutting the high fructose corn syrup from ever other god damn thing out there as well as the vegetable oils. Seriously, there's something wrong when you have it in everything. I'm surprised they don't add it to the water.
What the woman said is right though, this DOESN'T make any sense. What would make sense is to announce that you've dropped the sugar tariffs and that the corn lobbyists can piss up a rope.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:45:38
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Sometimes I think you people are all fething crazy.
I mean, seriously. Major corporations have got you literally eating out of the palms of their hands. Food producers spend billions targeting young kids with propaganda in order to convince them that they want these insanely unhealthy foods. The government tries to mitigate this by ensuring that the foods they sell maintain a bare minimum level of healthiness, and there are people who will get up in arms, decrying 'big brother'-style government, defending the multi-million dollar food giants.
Do you think these people give a gak about you, or something? They just want your money, and they will do anything to get it.
You people are fething crazy.
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Albatross wrote:You people are fething crazy.
I think you meant to call us  -ing Conservative. You used the wrong noun there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 12:52:52
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I'm a conservative. In Britain we're (mostly) sane.
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Albatross wrote:I'm a conservative. In Britain we're (mostly) sane.

Except for Boris - but he is just fun
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Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Hmm, you think the government getting involved in the food you eat is odd in a country where so many people need a mirror on a stick to see their toes?
Stand up for your democratic rights by saying no to healthy food, good universal healthcare and the control of guns...but at the same time allow corporations to run the schools, prisons, hospitals and buy the ear of every politician in Washington DC!
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Albatross wrote:Do you think these people give a gak about you, or something? They just want your money, and they will do anything to get it.
They can do anything they want to get at my money. But there's one very important and salient fact that you're missing: I don't have to give it to them.
General Mills can spend all the advertising dollars they want trying to get me to buy Frosted Flakes. They can put up a billboard across the street from my house with a big fething Tony the Tiger telling me how great Frosted Flakes are. They can call me in the middle of the night to remind me that they're a great product.
But I still don't have to give them a dime.
The real threat isn't corporations who can try to persuade you to act in a certain way, it's government that can compel you (by force) to act in a certain way. The fact that people actually support the use of force against others for not eating right or selling the right stuff is more proof that people really want a dictatorship, not a free democracy.
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biccat wrote:They can do anything they want to get at my money. But there's one very important and salient fact that you're missing: I don't have to give it to them.
What about in a market where every pretty much ever food company stuffs thier products full of crap? Where avoiding foods which contain it means you need to go to extreme lengths, or huge expense? A market where those who are most likely to buy rubbish food and therefore be the most at risk from crap in foods are those least able, informed or inclined about seeking out "better" alternatives?
Strawberry jam used to contain wooden "pips" in the UK because cheap jam makers used (off the top of my head) rhubarb and tonnes of sugar to make the "strawberry" jam and thought they could make it closer to actual strawberry jam by adding in wooden pips (which was actually a fairly large industry  ).
Thankfully the practice ended, but the point remains that people were quite literally being fed splinters of wood, produce which was completely different from what it was supposed to be and sugar. Because this was standard practice in the industry, you could not escape from it.
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Subject: Re:Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Do you guys ever wonder what non genetically modified corn tasted like?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 13:27:10
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daedalus wrote:Do you guys ever wonder what non genetically modified corn tasted like?
Like crap?
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daedalus wrote:Do you guys ever wonder what non genetically modified corn tasted like?
GM is a seperate issue. However, in principal I have no problem with GM food or produce.
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It tastes like a weed, which is what it freaking is. Corn, or maize IS genetically modified. Just done the old fashioned way through selective breeding agriculture by OH's (Original Homeboys) back in the day.
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SilverMK2 wrote:biccat wrote:They can do anything they want to get at my money. But there's one very important and salient fact that you're missing: I don't have to give it to them.
What about in a market where every pretty much ever food company stuffs thier products full of crap?
Which could be possible, but it's not. If every company stuffs their products full of crap, then you should buy food that isn't full of crap. This will increase demand for non-crap food.
SilverMK2 wrote:Where avoiding foods which contain it means you need to go to extreme lengths, or huge expense?
Again, could be possible, but it's not. There is a strong demand for healthy food and plenty of suppliers make it available. You might have to buy iceburg lettuce and chicken instead of arugula and filet mignon, but it's not impossible to eat healthy if you make an effort to do so.
SilverMK2 wrote:A market where those who are most likely to buy rubbish food and therefore be the most at risk from crap in foods are those least able, informed or inclined about seeking out "better" alternatives?
If they're not inclined to seek out "better" alternatives or willing to inform themselves of healthful alternatives, that's not my problem. But there is plenety of information on eating healthy available (for free even!) to those who will make the effort to seek it out.
As for ability, I'm not sure what you mean. If you're talking about finances, I don't think there's a general obligation to support people on the public dime. But even if there is, healthy food is not more expensive than "unhealthy" food. You can survive quite well on beans, rice and water and pay significantly less than eating out at McDonalds.
SilverMK2 wrote:Strawberry jam used to contain wooden "pips" in the UK because cheap jam makers used (off the top of my head) rhubarb and tonnes of sugar to make the "strawberry" jam and thought they could make it closer to actual strawberry jam by adding in wooden pips (which was actually a fairly large industry  ).
Thankfully the practice ended, but the point remains that people were quite literally being fed splinters of wood, produce which was completely different from what it was supposed to be and sugar. Because this was standard practice in the industry, you could not escape from it.
You could, presumably, still purchase strawberries to make your own jam. In fact, if there really was a demand for real strawberry jam, you could probably make your own jam, slap a wrapper on the jar, and sell it to your friends and neighbors. Sure someone else could undercut you by selling rhubarb-sugar-wood jam, but if people wanted real strawberries, you could deliver it.
Also, labelling rhubarb-sugar-wood jam as strawberry is fraud, and should be prohibited.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/22 13:41:19
Subject: Federal Big Mother coming to a cereal box and restaurant near you.
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Basecoated Black
Rivelin Valley, United Kingdom
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biccat wrote:Also, labelling rhubarb-sugar-wood jam as strawberry is fraud, and should be prohibited.
It's actually false labelling...but it is still naughty...
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