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Jollydevil wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Hazard30 wrote:And you dont think..that just maybe...your not falling into the whole "Space Marines are the best because they are Space marines and they are better than everyone at everything...mentallity" I think you might....just a bit.

It is not totally perposterous that a race(older than the human race) which is "the" psychic race"within 40k. With Eldrad being said best in that race, being better.

No I don't think so. If the point at hand is that Eldrad is the greatest psyker ever, then the fact that his main contenders are Space Marine related is inconsequential. Magnus, the Emperor, Ahriman, and possibly Malcador and Lorgar, all outstrip Eldrad. If the point is that the Eldar as a race are the greatest psykers, then yes, that's fairly obvious.

Where are you getting these facts from? Where in fluff is it stated that Ahriman Magnus or Lorgar could outdo Eldrad?
As a side note, theres no way Lorgar or Malcador outdo Eldrad in pyschic power.
*EDIT* Why does any of this matter anyways? Eldrad and Malcador are both dead, Lorgar isnt allowed in the contest seeing as hes a demon, and the emperor is in no condition to fight at the moment, only leaving Ahriman as the most powerful being out there.

Simple deductions using examples from the fluff. Just look at some the deeds any of the contenders have done. Eldrad has never been portrayed as a supreme in terms of sheer power, only in his unparalleled ability to scheme and manipulate using the more subtle arts of the psyker. Even so, it's good to see you accuse me of something, and then go and do almost the exact same thing.

Jollydevil wrote:Where are you getting these facts from? Where in fluff is it stated that Ahriman Magnus or Lorgar could outdo Eldrad?
As a side note, theres no way Lorgar or Malcador outdo Eldrad in pyschic power.
*EDIT* Why does any of this matter anyways? Eldrad and Malcador are both dead, Lorgar isnt allowed in the contest seeing as hes a demon, and the emperor is in no condition to fight at the moment, only leaving Ahriman as the most powerful being out there.

Where in the fluff is it stated that Eldrad is stronger than Ahriman, Magnus, or Lorgar?

Why is there no way Lorgar or Malcador can outdo Eldrad in psychic power? Lorgar is the second most powerful psyker of the Primarchs, falling short only of Magnus, and apparently he is even stronger in the new Aurelian book. Malcador is perhaps the third strongest human psyker to ever live (Others, like Ahriman and Tigurius, contest this spot), and has some amazing feats of psychic might as well. As for Ahriman, he can summon Warp Leviathans (Big ass space whale of doom that eats starships), create massive Warpfire bombs, is said to rival a Lord of Change in his knowledge of sorcery, and also is very capable in foresight.

I think Magnus is more powerful than Eldrad simply because his feats of raw psychic might are consistently greater, from destroying Titans, to stopping the flow of time on a planet. Eldrad could be more gifted in some ways than Magnus, such as in Divination, but no psyker short of the Emperor himself can be reasonably said to be greater than Magnus IMO.

You must remember that most psykers specialise. In terms of Divination, Eldrad might even be greater than the Emperor, and to be fair to him he is a legitimately very powerful psyker (For instance, would be hesitant to say Malcador or Ahriman were more powerful, maybe even Lorgar), the only two non-Daemons that I would say are more powerful are the Emperor and Magnus the Red (Before he was a Daemon). Maybe also Draigo, but it's hard to say how much of what Draigo does is based on his raw psychic might.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I'm gonna be an ass and ask you for a source. I remember reading that he purposefully let it live and put it on Mars. IIRC it's in "Mechanicum".

It's actually from Mechanicum, after eventually besting the Dragon by finding a weak spot in its necrodermis, the Emperor admits he is incapable of killing it.

I don't have the book on me at the moment, so will need a little time to provide a quote.

Read path of the seer for a better insight on the LOWER ends of an eldar psyker. from reading the strands of the skien to being able to cut other psykers off from their powers from mind power alone. Now. Take those examples and enhance them by an insane amount as eldrad is the most eldest and powerful of all eldar psykers arguably. Also note that eldar psykers do NOT Specilazie. They can use all the abilites they have learned or have the runes to enhance. So eldrad has a gift for divination, its not his only bag of tricks.

Eldar players/fans will never win an argument when a Space marine is involved. there just is more FLUFF written (either over the top, or not) on space marines. and when primarchs get involved people think its impossible to top them. As well as its hard for people to acknowledge that perhaps mankind and their warmachines of death are not the best at something. Its just hard to accept something from an alien view of thought.

Granted i once hailed from the Halls of Russ, (and still dable at his great table) there is just more written fluff on them.


As eldar get more popular in sixth we will have more fluff on them (as we allready do with Path of the warrior and path of the seer) and it shows that space marines are powerful, and eldar respect that power.


But it also shows how much they are like children when it comes to the power of the mind. Being able to blow up a titan and summon warp beasts is brutish, and a hamfisted way to use your mind. Being able to shut that down with a thought, or detect it as it happens, before it happens (be it hours, days, months years) and find out how to change it or fix it before it happens, that can be pretty killer

i vote Silent King. anyone who is bad ass enough to use the C'tan for his own purposes then lead a revolt against just has to be the best