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Doombreed as Genghis Khan may be likely, but just as likely not. Genghis Khan could have easily belonged to Slaanesh or perhaps even Tzeentch

I hear a lot about powerful characters with so much brawn but no brain. What is the power to physically contend with a titan compared to the immense tactical genius to have one appear at your time of need?

The most powerful character is without a doubt the Lord Castellan Ursarkar E. Creed.

Waiter, there appears to be a tank in my soup.

CREEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nom

Why, how did that tank get there? I'll just get my napkin and -

... a rifle?

CREEEEEEEED!

I strongly disagree with the Genghis Khan theories for Doombreed. He was a man of immense ambition, wishing to unite the Mongol tribes into a single nation, but that was not enough. He would conquer the Great Enemy, but even then he aspired to rule the entire known world. He conciously wished to preserve the ancient and influential Chinese culture rather than destroy it, and was open to and Chinese religions and philosophy, Such as the teachings of Buddha, and Confucius. Tzeentch is the god of hope, embition, change and evolution. Khorne is the god of rage, slaughter and violence. While Genghis was very capable of ruthlessness and wrath, he was a visionary, he was not fueled by hatred, but ambition. He would never be a champion of Khorne, but a prophet of Tzeentch.

Deathly Angel wrote:I strongly disagree with the Genghis Khan theories for Doombreed. He was a man of immense ambition, wishing to unite the Mongol tribes into a single nation, but that was not enough. He would conquer the Great Enemy, but even then he aspired to rule the entire known world. He conciously wished to preserve the ancient and influential Chinese culture rather than destroy it, and was open to and Chinese religions and philosophy, Such as the teachings of Buddha, and Confucius. Tzeentch is the god of hope, embition, change and evolution. Khorne is the god of rage, slaughter and violence. While Genghis was very capable of ruthlessness and wrath, he was a visionary, he was not fueled by hatred, but ambition. He would never be a champion of Khorne, but a prophet of Tzeentch.

Don't forget how much he got it on, what is it like 1/4 of the world has his DNA in them? Slaanesh easily as well...

Would it be possible to get the Blessings of 3 gods? If so, then that would probably fit Genghis Khan the best

Deathly Angel wrote:I strongly disagree with the Genghis Khan theories for Doombreed. He was a man of immense ambition, wishing to unite the Mongol tribes into a single nation, but that was not enough. He would conquer the Great Enemy, but even then he aspired to rule the entire known world. He conciously wished to preserve the ancient and influential Chinese culture rather than destroy it, and was open to and Chinese religions and philosophy, Such as the teachings of Buddha, and Confucius. Tzeentch is the god of hope, embition, change and evolution. Khorne is the god of rage, slaughter and violence. While Genghis was very capable of ruthlessness and wrath, he was a visionary, he was not fueled by hatred, but ambition. He would never be a champion of Khorne, but a prophet of Tzeentch.

The man himself remains relatively ambiguous, and I have a feeling you've been reading too much Conn Iggulden. We truly have no idea what his motivation was. It could have been ambition, a love of battle, perceived supremacy, to make his people safe, seeing an opportunity there are many possible reasons. One thing remains constant, no one stood in his way. If you resisted, you were crushed without mercy. Just look at the exterminations he committed, the directness of his strategies, many of them were bloodbaths. And he respected martial pride. It points to Khorne more than any other Chaos God.

Khorne was also the god of honor back when Doombreed was originally worked into fluff.

So, if Draigo killed Lucius, what would happen?

astrocat wrote:So, if Draigo killed Lucius, what would happen?

Technically Draigo would become one of the faces in the armor (and thus not really die), but Lucius wouldn't be as powerful as Draigo, So there would be a net reduction in power.
To be honest, the only way I can see to kill Lucius would be to kill him and commit suicide before turning completely into him.


Back on topic, my vote goes to Gazgul. He is utter powerhouse of an Ork. He has lived for long enough, and seen enough combat to be huge. With ork reliance added to the equation killing him would be difficult under the best of circumstances, not to mention he is reasonably bright for an ork.

Failing that, I am inclined to pick Abbadon, but his inability to get beyond the Cadian gate makes me doubt his ability a lot.

How could GW let this happen?

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:

astrocat wrote:So, if Draigo killed Lucius, what would happen?

Technically Draigo would become one of the faces in the armor (and thus not really die), but Lucius wouldn't be as powerful as Draigo, So there would be a net reduction in power.
To be honest, the only way I can see to kill Lucius would be to kill him and commit suicide before turning completely into him.


Back on topic, my vote goes to Gazgul. He is utter powerhouse of an Ork. He has lived for long enough, and seen enough combat to be huge. With ork reliance added to the equation killing him would be difficult under the best of circumstances, not to mention he is reasonably bright for an ork.

Failing that, I am inclined to pick Abbadon, but his inability to get beyond the Cadian gate makes me doubt his ability a lot.

What if a Necron killed Lucius?

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:

astrocat wrote:So, if Draigo killed Lucius, what would happen?

Technically Draigo would become one of the faces in the armor (and thus not really die), but Lucius wouldn't be as powerful as Draigo, So there would be a net reduction in power.
To be honest, the only way I can see to kill Lucius would be to kill him and commit suicide before turning completely into him.

It wouldnt work. If any one got the slightest satisfaction or pride from him killing himself, theyd turn into lucius.

I'd go with Eldrad. He is more powerful psychically than all Human psykers (including Draigo, that fluff isn't real, end of story).

He's definitely not dead either.

Abbadon the lord of the black legion. He is blessed by the powers of tzeentch khorne slaanesh and nurgle.

Wasn't there fluff, about a sector of space run completly by Orks, with Warbosses the size of titans, and it generally being to Orky for even someone like Thrakka?

Maugan Ra.

He stood all alone against a Tyranid swarm from Hive Fleet Leviathan and single-handily triumphs in defending an ENTIRE planet (Nid Codex p. 28).

Seriously, simultaniously shooting gazillions of sky-falling Nids, Pole-to-Pole-and-all-around-the-equator, never misses, never runs out of ammo, never too slow to arrive any given point on the planet, never looses a fight, mopping up even the last tiny organism so that not a spore, gaunt or stealer remains and taking out the space-born big-Nids on top of it.

That guy is serious business. He also solo-trekked through the Eye of Terror and his helmet looks like a Skull! Cannot beat that.

nomsheep wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:I thought it was the whole thing that the Emp fought?

According to the new Necron fluff, the Necrons rebelled against their Gods and, although unable to kill them, shattered them into tiny shards. To this day, they fear their reconstitution.

This was long, long before Humanity existed.

Did Mat Ward just nerf the Emperor?

Yes, unless the void dragon was one of the pones that got away.


Nom

Didn't the Emperor purpousefully not kill the Dragon? That certainly is what I've heard, and I'm pretty sure I've read it in some Black Library book too.

Marzillius wrote:I'd go with Eldrad. He is more powerful psychically than all Human psykers (including Draigo, that fluff isn't real, end of story).

Assuming that the Emperor and Magnus aren't considered "human", then yes.

Abbadon was made really under powered by GW. A guy with the blessing of Khorne, Nurge, Slaanesh and Tzeenech can't get past the cadians, despite being better and more awesome in every way.

I'm gonna go with Arjac for sheer BA'ness fluff wise> just my opinion thou. hell lets face he's just a unit upgrade and he has EW and 2 wounds.Just my 2 cents worth.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Didn't the Emperor purpousefully not kill the Dragon? That certainly is what I've heard, and I'm pretty sure I've read it in some Black Library book too.

He didn't have a choice in the matter.

He was unable to kill the Dragon.

Assuming that the Emperor and Magnus aren't considered "human", then yes.

As powerful as Eldrad is, he isn't exactly peerless even among humans.

Not when you consider guys like Ahriman have done crazy gak like summon Warp Leviathans. Or Tigurius psychically contacting the Hive Mind (Allegedly).

Void Dragon. Thread over.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Assuming that the Emperor and Magnus aren't considered "human", then yes.

The Emperor is Human, though. Aside from that, I don't know of any Eldar doing anything like, say, Malcador shoving Titan into the Warp and shielding it from Chaos after The Fall (which essentially seems to have completely crippled them Psychically).

astrocat wrote:So, if Draigo killed Lucius, what would happen?

Meh, just smash Lucius with an artillery shell during a barrage; the Imperial Guardsmen who fired the shell won't know who they killed with it.

No character outside the eldar race is as strong as an eldar Farseer. Not saying they cannot produce amazing results and with the help of chaos gods or (the emp himself) do amazing things. Just saying that They are all young and blunt with the forces they wield, all the time welcoming and ushering chaos about them. Eldar dont do that. Eldrad is probably the most powerful farseer amongst the eldar, and probably the most powerful psyker 40k has ever seen. Just because his short written fluff dosnt have him tearing apart a titan or summoning up a warp whale and riding it while playing electic guitar dosnt make him weaker. Eldrad at one point did admit that the Emp was the only -human- whos mental potention made him a good candadite for being a seer. On top of that, Farseers and how they work with minds are insane, they almost constintly live in two realms of existance (which is why when they die their body turns into crystal as their mind leaves it for the infinity circuit)

Eldar can actually use their minds to go back in time and change events. (its in the Path of the Seer) they tend NOT to do this, for when it happens they can no longer see the future on most of the outcomes because the thread in which they tweaked no longer exists in the way they originally saw it, and no longer is trackable.


We are talking about minds so powerful that in the span of a heartbeat, they can Find your strand of fate, follow that strand to every event in your life, and every choice you could have made, and every outcome that could have done, as well as anyone who influenced that outcome, and their strands, and their choices upon the tangled skein and they can even go back to see the view from the eyes of the enemy and their fathers and for fathers. Barley any psyker in the galaxy is safe from the mind of a farseer as they are usually never strong enough to block the powers. Space marine librarians are a bit different as they have some insane amounts of will coupled with Psy. Hoods.


And to defend abadabado a bit (abbadon) he has never really had a fair fight in his 13 crusades. He was ROYALLY boned his last one. Who among us could have forseen the 13th charging from warp portals, and who could have forseen Eldrad taking the black citadel from him? (besides you know...eldrad) :p


But seriously, Eldar have done things that completly have changed the face of planets, galaxys and even the imperium of man simply because of a few people like eldrad....and humanity never knew.

The other psykers of the universe dont stand a chance agaisnt the likes of the Eldar

I don't know about that now, I think maybe, just maybe, Magnus the Red could pick Eldrad up and smash his tiny skull like a grape without a second though. Hell, I would garner a bet that Ahriman could do the same, and I wouldn't even want to know that the Emperor could do. Probably just conjure up a nice arm chair and a book, crush Eldrad into a ball the size of a marble and throw him into a sun before he'd even read the first sentence.

Why did I even bother? Clearly that was four paragraphs of an Eldar fanboy choking his chicken to a picture of Eldrad.

And you dont think..that just maybe...your not falling into the whole "Space Marines are the best because they are Space marines and they are better than everyone at everything...mentallity" I think you might....just a bit.

It is not totally perposterous that a race(older than the human race) which is "the" psychic race"within 40k. With Eldrad being said best in that race, being better.

As a general rule eldar are better pyskers as they are all pyschic and the imperium has only three pyskers that actuallly compare to the eldar pyskers.


~Nom

Yeah, Eldar are pretty much, hands down the best Psychers in 40K. Little you can do to dispute that, only ones who can compare are Daemon Princes of Tzeentch. It's been HEAVILY established.