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And with that, Daemon princes of Tzeentch are not using "psyker" powers so much as just plan manipularting the warp for their own means...and they dont have to worry about daemons eating them for it

Im not contesting that Eldrad is the best pysker in the 40K world we knoew, but i dont think hes the most powerful being out there. I feel that he could easily be crushed by someone like who knows how to protect themselves against those pyschic powers, and aginst said person they wouldnt have a chance.

I hate to be the one to say this, I think the Vindicar Assassin is the biggest badass one on one, he hits and wounds on a 2+ with an AP1 weapon, also can use a round that uses 4D6 vs vehicles, also for INV saves he can remove it for the rest of the game.

Namica wrote:Yeah, Eldar are pretty much, hands down the best Psychers in 40K. Little you can do to dispute that, only ones who can compare are Daemon Princes of Tzeentch. It's been HEAVILY established.

The Emperor disputes this. Regardless of the theoretical potential of the Eldar, they can't use their full power due to Slaanesh.

Hazard30 wrote:And you dont think..that just maybe...your not falling into the whole "Space Marines are the best because they are Space marines and they are better than everyone at everything...mentallity" I think you might....just a bit.

It is not totally perposterous that a race(older than the human race) which is "the" psychic race"within 40k. With Eldrad being said best in that race, being better.

The Emperor can hold back the worst of Chaos from pouring into the Materium with his mind alone. He also proved to be overall more powerful than the massed might of the Chaos Gods.

Magnus the Red can stop the flow of time on a planet with a thought.

Malcador can hide moons inside the Warp while also protecting it from the Warp.

Ahriman can destroy massive Librariums with a Warpfire explosion as well as summon a Warp Leviathan (A massive Warp beast which can devour starships) apparently.

Eldrad is powerful. I would be hesitant in claiming guys like Ahriman or Malcador were stronger than him.

Magnus or the Emperor? Naw dude, dude naw.

Eldrad has had a much longer time to hone his skills than Magnus. Although it would be a decent fight, he could definitely best Magnus in mind combat even when he cant use his full power.
The emperor, well, nothings beats the emperor.

Ctan shard of the nightbringer, why? Because he IS death personified.

I will say Calgar because of the pimpfists(oh, and he can get an avatar to stab himself)/rage about that stupid fluff
But really, Khaine? He 1v1'ed Slannesh and couldn't be killed, but then, he's just shards now

Pure strength? Ol' Ghazzie, or the Swarmlord. Dont think much can top them when it comes to a) commanding a horde and b) brute force.

Otherwise Im inclined to mention a psyker, most probably Eldrad.

Who here is forgetting bout Thawn?!! He is immortal!!

DreadlordME! wrote:Who here is forgetting bout Thawn?!! He is immortal!!

Who?

Justicar Thawn. He is a grey Knight upgrade for a termo unit and he comes back to life after death. He was killed by Ku'gath and then cut his way out of his stomach

I don't know much about psyhic fluff so I'll stick to combat/strength/toughness.

Ghaz is pretty cool, but he couldn't deal with Yarrik's old man strength. Going by the pic on Codex: Armageddon he's 3x/4x the size of a human male.


Abaddon is pretty damn incompetent given his powers and resources. I'm not sure how he'd fair in a fight with another being with great combat prowess.

Lilith is a great fighter with amazing skill and speed, but most likely she would be too weak to kill a lot of the contenders that have been discussed here. She would end up smashed in just 1 hit.

Leman Russ. Yep he is alive, captured by Iron Warriors, but very much alive and kicking. None of those mentioned so far could stand against a Primarch. Draigo would be squashed like a bug.

BrotherHaraldus wrote:Leman Russ. Yep he is alive, captured by Iron Warriors, but very much alive and kicking.

I presume you just invented that, yes?

I would dearly like to see any bit of fluff that even hints at Russ' location other than 'In the Eye of Terror somewhere'. And unless Mortarion suddenly isn't a primarch, your anti-Draigo argument is invalid.

@Movac, Abaddon isn't as incompetent as people make out. He's been trying to capture the single most guarded planet in the Imperium apart from Terra itself. And tactical skills don't translate into combat prowess anyway, which Abaddon's fluff shows him to be excellent at.

FinalAnswer wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:This is about fluff, although I see now reason for the rules not to be taken into account in part.

Excluding Draigo, it has to be a closer call between Abaddon, the named Chapter Masters, and Ghaz in the fluff.

Didn't Eldrad wreck Abaddon in a fight or something?

No.

Nightrave wrote:And with that, Daemon princes of Tzeentch are not using "psyker" powers so much as just plan manipularting the warp for their own means...and they dont have to worry about daemons eating them for it

Actually, they do for some reason. I guess daemons of their opposing god attack them or something.

Hazard30 wrote:And you dont think..that just maybe...your not falling into the whole "Space Marines are the best because they are Space marines and they are better than everyone at everything...mentallity" I think you might....just a bit.

It is not totally perposterous that a race(older than the human race) which is "the" psychic race"within 40k. With Eldrad being said best in that race, being better.

No I don't think so. If the point at hand is that Eldrad is the greatest psyker ever, then the fact that his main contenders are Space Marine related is inconsequential. Magnus, the Emperor, Ahriman, and possibly Malcador and Lorgar, all outstrip Eldrad. If the point is that the Eldar as a race are the greatest psykers, then yes, that's fairly obvious.

BrotherHaraldus wrote:Leman Russ. Yep he is alive, captured by Iron Warriors, but very much alive and kicking. None of those mentioned so far could stand against a Primarch. Draigo would be squashed like a bug.

S'far as I know, hes just off on adventures, not captured by iron warriors.


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iproxtaco wrote:

Hazard30 wrote:And you dont think..that just maybe...your not falling into the whole "Space Marines are the best because they are Space marines and they are better than everyone at everything...mentallity" I think you might....just a bit.

It is not totally perposterous that a race(older than the human race) which is "the" psychic race"within 40k. With Eldrad being said best in that race, being better.

No I don't think so. If the point at hand is that Eldrad is the greatest psyker ever, then the fact that his main contenders are Space Marine related is inconsequential. Magnus, the Emperor, Ahriman, and possibly Malcador and Lorgar, all outstrip Eldrad. If the point is that the Eldar as a race are the greatest psykers, then yes, that's fairly obvious.

Where are you getting these facts from? Where in fluff is it stated that Ahriman Magnus or Lorgar could outdo Eldrad?
As a side note, theres no way Lorgar or Malcador outdo Eldrad in pyschic power.
*EDIT* Why does any of this matter anyways? Eldrad and Malcador are both dead, Lorgar isnt allowed in the contest seeing as hes a demon, and the emperor is in no condition to fight at the moment, only leaving Ahriman as the most powerful being out there.

This was pictured in the Warp. Do I need to add more?

I think that says it all

Clearly if that was made in the Warp, it's either
a) Made by a daemon, and as such not trustworthy evidence.
b) Made by a psyker, and as such not trustworthy evidence.
c) Made by Draigo, and as such not trustworthy evidence.

Though I do like how the attachments to Draigo's head make it look like he's growing horns.

You got to admit that at least he looks cool on that photo

If he didnt have all that crap written on his armor, he might look cool.
I think it looks stupid. Thats just me though.

And for that blasphemous remark...the emperor hates you

I'm sorry but I have to go with one individual that's already been said, but not said enough. Sly Mutha' $*@($ Marbo. Why? What other character has had threads solely based off of crazy stuff they've "done." It's Sly Marbo!

Also, isn't The Lion still considered alive just in a coma? Does that count?

That coma might impede his fighting abilities somewhat.

DK wrote:And for that blasphemous remark...the emperor hates you

Good. Rotter can hate me all he wants. Stupid corpse, stupid writing.

Void__Dragon wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Didn't the Emperor purpousefully not kill the Dragon? That certainly is what I've heard, and I'm pretty sure I've read it in some Black Library book too.

He didn't have a choice in the matter.

He was unable to kill the Dragon.

I'm gonna be an ass and ask you for a source. I remember reading that he purposefully let it live and put it on Mars. IIRC it's in "Mechanicum".

Ahriman is not more powerful than Eldrad. Sure he can summon a huge monster, but in raw psychic might he can't beat Eldrad.

Eldrad is more powerful than Malcador and Lorgar, and what sense does it make that Ahriman should be more powerful than them?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Didn't the Emperor purpousefully not kill the Dragon? That certainly is what I've heard, and I'm pretty sure I've read it in some Black Library book too.

He didn't have a choice in the matter.

He was unable to kill the Dragon.

I'm gonna be an ass and ask you for a source. I remember reading that he purposefully let it live and put it on Mars. IIRC it's in "Mechanicum".

Mechanicum actually says he wasn't able to kill it, but could disable it through a weak spot in its armour. Whether he knew this and planned for it, or he improvised from there and ... flew psychically to Mars for the lolz... is unclear.