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n0t_u wrote:Evolution is random, it is the adaptation to external influences. It is not always going to solve issues and it takes a long time...
corpsesarefun wrote:Evolution is the adaptation of life over a series of generations to better suit the environment by means of natural selection, I think your problem is you don't actually understand what evolution is other than an alternative to intelligent design.
one says its random,and doesn't always solve problems.
the other falsely claims what i know, and says it does always solve problems.
Any mutation is a form of evolution, the process in which the mutation is absorbed into the species is how effective it is in its adaptation to its surroundings; known as "survial of the fittest". It would be absurd to think there was order to it and it was always correct. The changes which fail to deal with the surroundings die off thus over a series of generations it naturally becomes better suited to the environment.
It started when you claimed the Big Bang was a big joke, whether it was intended it was the catalyst. I think at this point you may as well just make a thread about it so we can get back to counter-earth.
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n0t_u wrote:That's an interesting possibility. This could be the counter-earth.
Wouldn't that make us the evil us?
Um...you do realize that we're discussing drugging baboons, arming them and releasing them on the populace in another thread...
We haven't released them yet.
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corpsesarefun wrote:What if we were the counter-earthmen all along?
profound.
and intelligent design is not necessarily a religious concept.
I refer you to the documentary Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. netflix it.
I agree that intelligent design is not always a religious concept, however most of the time it is used by the religious as a way of agreeing with most of accepted science but simply adding that an intelligent creator was behind the scenes helping it all along.
As I said I'm fine with this, believe whatever you like causes evolution as long as you don't ignore evidence.
oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
corpsesarefun wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:
n0t_u wrote:Evolution is random, it is the adaptation to external influences. It is not always going to solve issues and it takes a long time...
corpsesarefun wrote:Evolution is the adaptation of life over a series of generations to better suit the environment by means of natural selection, I think your problem is you don't actually understand what evolution is other than an alternative to intelligent design.
one says its random,and doesn't always solve problems.
the other falsely claims what i know, and says it does always solve problems.
Evolution is always random and means an species becomes better suited to it's environment, this is entirely subjective in that if you took a fish out of the water it's highly evolved gills would be rendered useless. By the same token if you put a human in space with no protection our highly evolved heads would pop.
"solving problems" is a very human way to look at things, nature doesn't care about "solving problems" but rather about producing offspring.
contradiction. if nature wanted offspring,it would stop mutations that would make less offspring. yet it allows them to happen.
Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
n0t_u wrote:Evolution is random, it is the adaptation to external influences. It is not always going to solve issues and it takes a long time...
corpsesarefun wrote:Evolution is the adaptation of life over a series of generations to better suit the environment by means of natural selection, I think your problem is you don't actually understand what evolution is other than an alternative to intelligent design.
one says its random,and doesn't always solve problems.
the other falsely claims what i know, and says it does always solve problems.
Evolution is always random and means an species becomes better suited to it's environment, this is entirely subjective in that if you took a fish out of the water it's highly evolved gills would be rendered useless. By the same token if you put a human in space with no protection our highly evolved heads would pop.
"solving problems" is a very human way to look at things, nature doesn't care about "solving problems" but rather about producing offspring.
contradiction. if nature wanted offspring,it would stop mutations that would make less offspring. yet it allows them to happen.
Evidence, in some cases the human body will abort the fetus on its own should it prove to be incapable of living outside of the womb.
n0t_u wrote:Evolution is random, it is the adaptation to external influences. It is not always going to solve issues and it takes a long time...
corpsesarefun wrote:Evolution is the adaptation of life over a series of generations to better suit the environment by means of natural selection, I think your problem is you don't actually understand what evolution is other than an alternative to intelligent design.
one says its random,and doesn't always solve problems.
the other falsely claims what i know, and says it does always solve problems.
Evolution is always random and means an species becomes better suited to it's environment, this is entirely subjective in that if you took a fish out of the water it's highly evolved gills would be rendered useless. By the same token if you put a human in space with no protection our highly evolved heads would pop.
"solving problems" is a very human way to look at things, nature doesn't care about "solving problems" but rather about producing offspring.
contradiction. if nature wanted offspring,it would stop mutations that would make less offspring. yet it allows them to happen.
and intelligent design is not necessarily a religious concept.
I refer you to the documentary Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. netflix it.
I saw that, it was the one hosted by Ben Stein right? Its funny to think that we've come so far socially as to completely be prejudiced against the theory of intelligent design as much as we were against evolution back in the day...
BTW...I know this joke fits into this thread somewhere but I'm not sure where...
So I'm going to go live on counter earth...I'll come back in a year and tell you if the air's breathable and if they have decent public bathrooms or not...
oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
ah...the joys of people not budging and making jests at you just cause they think there right and have the numbers.
we have more steps back today then forward. by now we would be a better species,yet were totally worse. less immune to disease, more deformed kids, gays, infertileness, cancer, etc,etc,etc.
you guys just keep not proving anything,and ive done similar.
Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
lord commissar klimino wrote:ah...the joys of people not budging and making jests at you just cause they think there right and have the numbers.
we have more steps back today then forward. by now we would be a better species,yet were totally worse. less immune to disease, more deformed kids, gays, infertileness, cancer, etc,etc,etc.
you guys just keep not proving anything,and ive done similar.
lord commissar klimino wrote:we have more steps back today then forward. by now we would be a better species,yet were totally worse. less immune to disease, more deformed kids, gays, infertileness, cancer, etc,etc,etc.
oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
corpsesarefun wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:ah...the joys of people not budging and making jests at you just cause they think there right and have the numbers.
we have more steps back today then forward. by now we would be a better species,yet were totally worse. less immune to disease, more deformed kids, gays, infertileness, cancer, etc,etc,etc.
you guys just keep not proving anything,and ive done similar.
lord commissar klimino wrote:we have more steps back today then forward. by now we would be a better species,yet were totally worse. less immune to disease, more deformed kids, gays, infertileness, cancer, etc,etc,etc.
lord commissar klimino wrote: gays
Welcome to the ignore list.
yes,cause i meant it personally. thats 1:0 me winning.
Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
n0t_u wrote:*They're
lord commissar klimino wrote:more deformed kids, gays, infertileness, cancer, etc,etc,etc.
i am. id try and explain it,but my words are wasted. seems your not allowed to say anything bad about anything except religion
Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
They're not attacking religion they're just saying they have proof that the evolution theory is the more likely scenario. Anyway I thought religion wasn't part of this.
infinite_array wrote:
WARORK93 wrote:
BTW...I know this joke fits into this thread somewhere but I'm not sure where...
Could someone please explain just how in the name of all that's Sheri Moon Zombie...did we get from the theory of a Counter Earth to where we are now?...
This has got to be some sort of OT record derailment.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
lord commissar klimino wrote:ah...the joys of people not budging and making jests at you just cause they think there right and have the numbers.
we have more steps back today then forward. by now we would be a better species,yet were totally worse. less immune to disease, more deformed kids, gays, infertileness, cancer, etc,etc,etc.
you guys just keep not proving anything,and ive done similar.
I don't know what you are doing, you're countering evolution and acting more like a right-wing religious fanatic than I am... and I'm a card carrying member of the Catholic Church.
More deformed kids: Ever hear of thalidomide? Sometimes mutations occur due to exposure to radiation or some other sort of chemical. Skin cancer occurs thanks to the DNA of the cell becoming denatured due to exposure to the sun, its why humans in sunnier areas have darker skin. The cells release melanin that covers the nuclei of other cells so that way the radiation from the rays of the sun don't do too much damage to the DNA inside of the nuclei. That right there is human evolution.
Infertility can also be caused by exposure to things that you shouldn't be exposed to. If you want to be infertile one thing you can do is take your lap top and actually sit it in your lap and cook your gametes.
Cancer is the same deal, people are sometimes exposed to things they shouldn't be exposed to naturally. As to cancer that occurs "naturally" and kills people you could say that its like a larger scale version of apoptosis. Maybe its a programmed death for the larger organism to prevent overpopulation and health sciences are just mucking it all up.
Less immunity, because I'm sure the majority of Europeans were immune to the Plague as well.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
n0t_u wrote:*You're
They're not attacking religion they're just saying they have proof that the evolution theory is the more likely scenario. Anyway I thought religion wasn't part of this.
you guys have pretty much been:
"i don't believe the big bang."
"what...your an idiot."
"i don't believe in evolution."
"what...your an idiot."
"i don't believe in religion."
"this guy knows what he is talking about."
not to that simpleness or crudeness,but still the basic principle of how you have acted.
Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
They're not attacking religion they're just saying they have proof that the evolution theory is the more likely scenario. Anyway I thought religion wasn't part of this.
you guys have pretty much been:
"i don't believe the big bang."
"what...your an idiot."
"i don't believe in evolution."
"what...your an idiot."
"i don't believe in religion."
"this guy knows what he is talking about."
not to that simpleness or crudeness,but still the basic principle of how you have acted.
And best of all it relates to warhammer, space marine at 2:00.
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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....
halonachos wrote:
lord commissar klimino wrote:
n0t_u wrote:*You're
They're not attacking religion they're just saying they have proof that the evolution theory is the more likely scenario. Anyway I thought religion wasn't part of this.
you guys have pretty much been:
"i don't believe the big bang."
"what...your an idiot."
"i don't believe in evolution."
"what...your an idiot."
"i don't believe in religion."
"this guy knows what he is talking about."
not to that simpleness or crudeness,but still the basic principle of how you have acted.
And best of all it relates to warhammer, space marine at 2:00.
now thats a funny video.
Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
I would like to proudly point out that I havent opened my mouth once this entire abortion of a thread. Not even once since the creationists turned up.
Ill just go back to.. gnawing.... this piece of knotted leather.
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
mattyrm wrote: I would like to proudly point out that I havent opened my mouth once this entire abortion of a thread. Not even once since the creationists turned up.
Ill just go back to.. gnawing.... this piece of knotted leather.
And for that matty your badassery has increased ten fold. Why did his badassery increase without talking you may ask, well because only matty could hold matty back.
lord commissar klimino wrote:ah...the joys of people not budging and making jests at you just cause they think there right and have the numbers.
we have more steps back today then forward. by now we would be a better species,yet were totally worse. less immune to disease, more deformed kids, gays, infertileness, cancer, etc,etc,etc.
you guys just keep not proving anything,and ive done similar.
I'm glad I could bring this thread to the OT forum. You're welcome.
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
lord commissar klimino wrote:not exactly. aperantly it was just a condensed ball of everything,which exploded. which is bull crap to me. dont care if god made it or is even real,i wont believe crap like that.
Until you've spent a decade or more studying physics, you don't really get to have an opinion on this.
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lord commissar klimino wrote:nope,not a fan of evolution either. did you know fossils could easilt not be that old? the found human made wire fossilized in the ocean that couldn't be older than a thousand years old yet at 1st they thought it was a billion year old dino or some other thing. until they broke it open.
Until you've spent a decade or more studying evolution, you don't really get to have an opinion on this.
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halonachos wrote:The one issue I have with evolution is that it seems to have stopped in certain species and if it is supposed to continue then we should see more variations than what our ancestors did.
The trick with evolution is realise it isn't a march forward, it's just changing to make the species better able to gather energy and produce offspring. When a design works brilliantly well, there's nothing to drive further changes. Some designs work so well, that even when other animals evolve aroudn them they remain perfectly adapted.
But I still believe in it, the trick to being a Christian and a scientist is to believe that science just explains god's work.
Absolutely. Science looks to discover what is happening, religion looks to explain why. They're fundamentally incompatible, and efforts to use one to explain the other have generally made each of poorer off.
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lord commissar klimino wrote:http://creation.com/fascinating-fossil-fence-wire
That link doesn't say what you think it says. A roll of wire was fossilised, exactly as people would expect. The only point the anecdote had was to show that an object could fossilise over a very short period of time, which they thought was relevant because it dispelled the idea that it took a very long time for an object to become a fossil.
It isn't actually relevant to anything, because the evidence for the life of a fossil doesn't come from it being a fossil, but from dating methods that study the decay of elements within the fossil.
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lord commissar klimino wrote:*shrug* not the best 'evidence' but ive yet to see good evidence of evolution and the big bang. i stick to my thoughts: both are as BS as the Germans having used alines in WW2.
Seriously, unless you've actually spent the time studying the big bang and/or evolution, you really don't get to say that.
You actually need to learn about a thing and consider it for a long time in order to give a decent opinion.
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Aerethan wrote:I just find it funny that people talking about science always have to bring up religion, and that they get so upset that people opt to believe in what said "scientists" BELIEVE to be wrong.
Everyone has the civil right to be wrong.
Well obviously. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. I mean, how could we physically force someone to stop believing something, even if it was complete nonsense?
But information gathered through scientific study, used to form predictions, then tested on with experiment, leading to more information and so on is straight up completely better than stuff people just decided to believe because they liked the sound of it.
Everyone knows this. They just choose not to believe it when there's a bit of nonsense they like to believe, that will have no direct consequences for them if they're wrong. Because if a doctor said the mole on your arm was a malignant tumour and they wanted to cut it off, whereas Bobby over the road says he didn't think it was, everyone is going to go with the doctor, the guy who's studied for years, where that study was disciplined, rigourous information that had been thoroughly tested.
Yet when it comes to disagreeing with the scientific consensus on something like evolution or the big bang, people like to think you can have whatever opinion you'd like, and the knowledge of experts just doesn't matter.
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lord commissar klimino wrote:too random. evolution is considered more "controlled". or is it more of a mutation to you guys? still don't believe it. whoohoo,tiny cells can adapt to what we trow at them,soooooooo major epic awesome sauce proof!
You don't understand evolution. You really, really need to understand a thing before you can pass judgement on it.
I just can't say that enough. You need to know things.
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lord commissar klimino wrote:
n0t_u wrote:Evolution is random, it is the adaptation to external influences. It is not always going to solve issues and it takes a long time...
corpsesarefun wrote:Evolution is the adaptation of life over a series of generations to better suit the environment by means of natural selection, I think your problem is you don't actually understand what evolution is other than an alternative to intelligent design.
one says its random,and doesn't always solve problems.
the other falsely claims what i know, and says it does always solve problems.
n0t_u misspoke slightly when he said evolution is random. Evolution isn't random, mutation is random, and those mutations are then acted on by natural selection, which is neither random nor guided.
You misread corpsesarefun terribly when you claimed he said it always solves problems, he never said that. Obviously evolution doesn't solve every problem, because then no species would ever die out.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f 
